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The Beast from the East
05 April 2020 11:34:48


I can understand his plight as he obviously has little else in his life and his one pleasure is being denied him.  What he needs to understand is that he’s not alone in this and he’s by no means the worst off.  Everyone is giving up ‘normal life’ to try and stop this thing spreading too quickly and we’re not all moaning constantly! 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


At least I still have porn


Thank God King Boris got rid of that puritan hag Theresa May who wanted to ban it!


 


 

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Essan
05 April 2020 11:36:18
I envy all those who can still afford to go to a pub even if they were open!
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Caz
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05 April 2020 11:37:59


 At least I still have porn


Thank God King Boris got rid of that puritan hag Theresa May who wanted to ban it!


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

Well there you go then!  You should be grateful for small mercies!  Now stop moaning about the pubs being shut!  

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The Beast from the East
05 April 2020 11:42:44


Well there you go then!  You should be grateful for small mercies!  Now stop moaning about the pubs being shut!  


Originally Posted by: Caz 



I will do a Maunder and drink 3 bottles of wine a night instead. If Corona doesn't get me, liver failure will!


 

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Gandalf The White
05 April 2020 12:00:33


 


If you want to start a riot, go ahead


Many crowded Housing Estates are already tinderboxes. Army checkpoints "Show me your papers" will not be tolerated in this country


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


But avoidable deaths will be tolerated?

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Retron
05 April 2020 12:10:00


But avoidable deaths will be tolerated?


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Playing devil's advocate, there's always a compromise to be had. If we had a stronger lockdown, more deaths would be avoided. However, it's deemed that the level of deaths is acceptable at the moment, hence the lockdown is relatively relaxed compared to what it could be.


In that sense, avoidable deaths are not only tolerated - by us all - but are actively being caused. The issue isn't so much whether avoidable deaths are tolerated (as they are, and have been), but how many excess deaths there are.


That is something we don't have answers to at the moment (albeit the Swedish experiment should yield useful info in the weeks and months ahead). When the government starts recording people who died of Covid-19, rather than merging them with those who died from a Covid-19-induced "fast forward", we'll have a clearer picture.

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Rob K
05 April 2020 12:43:41


 


If you want to start a riot, go ahead


Many crowded Housing Estates are already tinderboxes. Army checkpoints "Show me your papers" will not be tolerated in this country


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


I really don’t see why. I am loving having an excuse not to have to go out. Maybe in another couple of months I might be fed up with it but right now I don’t feel I am missing out on anything. I’m finally managing to get the garden under control, for a start!


Then there’s the garage and shed to clear out, two rooms to redecorate, pictures and shelves to put up. All stuff that never gets done in the normal course of things. This lockdown can last the rest of the summer as far as I’m concerned: I might finally get to the bottom of my to-do list!

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Bugglesgate
05 April 2020 13:01:02


 


I really don’t see why. I am loving having an excuse not to have to go out. Maybe in another couple of months I might be fed up with it but right now I don’t feel I am missing out on anything. I’m finally managing to get the garden under control, for a start!


Then there’s the garage and shed to clear out, two rooms to redecorate, pictures and shelves to put up. All stuff that never gets done in the normal course of things. This lockdown can last the rest of the summer as far as I’m concerned: I might finally get to the bottom of my to-do list!


Originally Posted by: Rob K 



I've  been cracking into my IT cupboard today.   I haven't had a full sized PC for 10 years but I still have  full sized IDE disks and expansion cards - even full length PCI cards !  It  must be 20 years since I've had a PC that would take those !


Keyboard with DIN connector, VGA cables  brought out to R G B and sync BNC's,   PSI mouse.  Adaptec SCSI controller  complete with a collection of 4G Conner   disc drives.  All now lobbed.


This afternoon it's the installation disks - including some  3.5 and 5" floppies (the first ones I picked up was Word-perfect 5.1 for DOS !!)


 


 


 


 

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The Beast from the East
05 April 2020 13:01:45


 


I really don’t see why. I am loving having an excuse not to have to go out. Maybe in another couple of months I might be fed up with it but right now I don’t feel I am missing out on anything. I’m finally managing to get the garden under control, for a start!


Then there’s the garage and shed to clear out, two rooms to redecorate, pictures and shelves to put up. All stuff that never gets done in the normal course of things. This lockdown can last the rest of the summer as far as I’m concerned: I might finally get to the bottom of my to-do list!


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


But you have a garden and a house big enough not to suffer Cabin Fever. Millions who live in small flats and housing estates are going crazy, especially in this weather


I also have a garden and large house, so if a Spanish style lockdown occurs, I could manage  as long as I can go out to buy booze once a day


 


 

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Bugglesgate
05 April 2020 13:04:29


 


But you have a garden and a house big enough not to suffer Cabin Fever. Millions who live in small flats and housing estates are going crazy, especially in this weather


I also have a garden and large house, so if a Spanish style lockdown occurs, I could manage  as long as I can go out to buy booze once a day


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


 


That's very, very naughty. 


 


..............You should take a wheelbarrow,   then you would only need to go out once a week.  

Chris (It,its)
Between Newbury and Basingstoke
"When they are giving you their all, some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy banging your heart against some mad buggers wall"
Brian Gaze
05 April 2020 13:06:45
Epping Forest car parks have closed due to overcrowding.
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Gandalf The White
05 April 2020 13:07:46


 



I've  been cracking into my IT cupboard today.   I haven't had a full sized PC for 10 years but I still have  full sized IDE disks and expansion cards - even full length PCI cards !  It  must be 20 years since I've had a PC that would take those !


Keyboard with DIN connector, VGA cables  brought out to R G B and sync BNC's,   PSI mouse.  Adaptec SCSI controller  complete with a collection of 4G Conner   dick drives.  All now lobbed.


This afternoon it's the installation disks - including some  3.5 and 5" floppies (the first ones I picked up was Word-perfect 5.1 for DOS !!)


 


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


👍


We have a habit of keeping things 'just in case they might be useful' and then years later they haven't been touched and you've forgotten what they were for..... power supplies, miscellaneous bits of cable. We had a reasonable clear out when we moved but there's still more because'I've not got time to sort through this right now'.


Wordperfect!!! Haven't heard that name for years.


Remember Lotus123? Used to be quite popular before the Microsoft steamroller became more dominant.

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The Beast from the East
05 April 2020 13:08:10

"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Gandalf The White
05 April 2020 13:09:28


 


 


That's very, very naughty. 


 


..............You should take a wheelbarrow,   then you would only need to go out once a week.  


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


With a barrel doubling up as the front wheel...


🍺🍺🍺

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Heavy Weather 2013
05 April 2020 13:10:32

Epping Forest car parks have closed due to overcrowding.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Brain. We were taking about this on Friday. We could all see this a mile off.


The government must implement full lockdown this evening. Anything short of that I fear is a dereliction of duty.

Mark
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Bolty
05 April 2020 13:10:36

I just watched the Sky News report from Bergamo in Lombardy, Italy at about 13:30. It's absolutely heartbreaking what they are dealing with. Their health system is stretched beyond its limits, entire ICU departments losing all their patients in one night, coffins being stacked in the streets because there's no room left in mortuaries or chapels and people walking round devastated by losing in some cases, several family members.


This is what we are in for unless the selfish start taking this seriously!

Scott
Blackrod, Lancashire (4 miles south of Chorley) at 156m asl.
My weather station 
The Beast from the East
05 April 2020 13:10:42


 


 


That's very, very naughty. 


 


..............You should take a wheelbarrow,   then you would only need to go out once a week.  


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


"Essential food items"


The Govt didn't specify what they were


I actually go to Tesco several times a day, just for some human contact. Some of the checkout girls are fit too

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Gandalf The White
05 April 2020 13:12:20




Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


All those being hyper-critical of the UK government should read the box headed 'The trail of misinformation'

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Joe Bloggs
05 April 2020 13:12:59


 


But you have a garden and a house big enough not to suffer Cabin Fever. Millions who live in small flats and housing estates are going crazy, especially in this weather


I also have a garden and large house, so if a Spanish style lockdown occurs, I could manage  as long as I can go out to buy booze once a day


 


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


I think this is a good point. 


If you’re well off and have a large house, and a garden, well good for you. 


Millions of people don’t have that luxury. 


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Gandalf The White
05 April 2020 13:17:36


I just watched the Sky News report from Bergamo in Lombardy, Italy at about 13:30. It's absolutely heartbreaking what they are dealing with. Their health system is stretched beyond its limits, entire ICU departments losing all their patients in one night, coffins being stacked in the streets because there's no room left in mortuaries or chapels and people walking round devastated by losing in some cases, several family members.


This is what we are in for unless the selfish start taking this seriously!


Originally Posted by: Bolty 


Not good.  The evidence did show from quite early on that if you went into intensive care you only had a 50/50 chance of survival but losing 100% is truly dire.


There are still people who don't realise the seriousness of Covid-19 because they've missed the government messages or not had them reinforced enough. Then there are those who don't care; Beast seems to fall into that category because enough information is being posted in these threads.

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bowser
05 April 2020 13:18:16


 


So, you do want to continue this argument.


 


Let's just focus on the facts:



  1. The virus was out beyond China in December.

  2. To prevent it reaching the UK you would have needed to close our borders completely by Christmas

  3. Closing the borders would have locked out hundreds of thousands of British people who were out of the country. As that is never going to happen then you would be looking at quarantining every British person returning; not 'self-isolation' but proper quarantine measures, as were applied to those returning from Wuhan. Anything else wouldn't risk further spread.

  4. Given that (2) and (3) were 100% impossible then the virus was always going to reach the UK.

  5. If the virus was always going to get here then we're just talking about the rate of transmission because imposing restrictions on people back in January was also 100% impossible.


So, your 'headless chicken' panic mode was worse than my alleged complacency.


Feel free to continue the argument if you really must. Preferably just move on - and cut out the name calling.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Or the WHO could have listened to Taiwan in early January and advised against travel to China then. You nip as much you can in the bud early. Instead they were still advising no need to impose travel restrictions even in late January.

Essan
05 April 2020 13:20:06


I really don’t see why. I am loving having an excuse not to have to go out. Maybe in another couple of months I might be fed up with it but right now I don’t feel I am missing out on anything. I’m finally managing to get the garden under control, for a start!


Then there’s the garage and shed to clear out, two rooms to redecorate, pictures and shelves to put up. All stuff that never gets done in the normal course of things. This lockdown can last the rest of the summer as far as I’m concerned: I might finally get to the bottom of my to-do list!


Originally Posted by: Rob K 



Exactly!  I haven't had this much time off work and relaxing in decades.   And no guilt!    All the jobs I've failed to do in years finally getting done.  But if I don't do them today or tomorrow it doesn't matter because there are weeks still to go.

I feel for those who cannot go five minutes without relating their life history to a stranger, but avoiding such people for 2 weeks has been the best de-stressing I have had since I spend 3 months alone in the hills  

Just need that Govt money to come through ..... 

Andy
Evesham, Worcs, Albion - 35m asl
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Gandalf The White
05 April 2020 13:20:09


 


I think this is a good point. 


If you’re well off and have a large house, and a garden, well good for you. 


Millions of people don’t have that luxury. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


But the trade off is a very few weeks of inconvenience versus being seriously ill or dead or making a relative seriously ill or killing them.


There really shouldn't be any contest here.


Given your lack of empathy for young lovers taking a stroll I'm surprised to find you showing empathy for those stuck indoors for what has only been a few days.

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Gandalf The White
05 April 2020 13:23:10


 


Or the WHO could have listened to Taiwan in early January and advised against travel to China then. You nip as much you can in the bud early. Instead they were still advising no need to impose travel restrictions even in late January.


Originally Posted by: bowser 


Taiwan isn't part of the WHO, courtesy of political pressure from China.


Plus, see my list above - look at the list of misinformation that flowed out of China in January and resulted in the wrong policy decisions being taken. There were still claims back then that it was not easily transmissible.


But by late January it was already too late. Just ask Italy.

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Gavin D
05 April 2020 13:24:58
555 new deaths in England

The patients were aged between 33 years and 103 years old. 29 patients aged between 35 and 95 years old had no known underlying health condition.
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