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Justin W
18 April 2020 16:25:55

Agree with all the points about being past the peak. The curve has clearly flattened and we are now, hopefully, looking at a plateau and then a decline in the numbers of infected.


No doubt the clarion calls for the lockdown to be eased will become irresistible. My fear is what happens if/when there is a second wave in the autumn. What does next winter look like?


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Justin W
18 April 2020 16:27:54


Italy have reported 3,491 new cases and 482 new deaths.


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Why is each of the home nations singular (correct) but Italy is plural?


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xioni2
18 April 2020 16:29:04



Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


The rate of decline in London is very encouraging and it should soon reduce somewhat the pressure on the PPE supply chain. 

fairweather
18 April 2020 16:30:45


 


 


The bit right at the end where the idiot plod mutters "show some respect"...


I was brought up to believe that respect has to be earned.


And donning a uniform isn't 'earning respect'.


(nor does being a gobby youth with a gangsta ego, by the way)


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


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Gandalf The White
18 April 2020 16:35:46

I am sure there are reasons for the current approach but surely there has to be some merit in moving to a reusable/washable gown approach (for sustainability as much a small anything else)?

Originally Posted by: doctormog 


I'm glad you've said that because I was really surprised to learn that the PPE is 'wear once and throw away'.  I know it's a contagious virus but I'm sure that such items would have been washed (in a suitably effective way) not that many years ago.


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Gandalf The White
18 April 2020 16:36:54


 


 


The bit right at the end where the idiot plod mutters "show some respect"...


I was brought up to believe that respect has to be earned.


And donning a uniform isn't 'earning respect'.


(nor does being a gobby youth with a gangsta ego, by the way)


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


I was brought up not to argue if you were caught doing something wrong.


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Chunky Pea
18 April 2020 16:41:18


 


 


The bit right at the end where the idiot plod mutters "show some respect"...


I was brought up to believe that respect has to be earned.


And donning a uniform isn't 'earning respect'.


(nor does being a gobby youth with a gangsta ego, by the way)


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


That youth wasn't being gobby though. He was rightfully asking what he had done wrong. 


Agree with everything else though! 


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Saint Snow
18 April 2020 16:41:31


 


I was brought up not to argue if you were caught doing something wrong.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


 


Who was doing what wrong?


 



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xioni2
18 April 2020 16:43:50

Newsnight is the only current affairs programme that I try to watch as I might learn something new or change my opinion on a topic and they seem to have done pretty well with this crisis too. Lots of calm and relevant reporting and some useful discussions. 

Gandalf The White
18 April 2020 16:48:34


 


 


Who was doing what wrong?


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


As the video clip didn't cover the entire incident who knows? But that was my original point - a clip posted to Twitter by self-confessed 'political activist', i.e. someone wanting to make a point.


My reasonable starting point is that if the police had to intervene then he was doing something questionable.  CP's - and possibly your - starting point appears to be a groundless presumption of fault on the part of the policeman.


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Chunky Pea
18 April 2020 16:50:26


 


I was brought up not to argue if you were caught doing something wrong.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


I was brought up to be mannerly and respectful, but if this is not reciprocated, then my not so mannerly and respectful side will automatically kick in. We should not have to humour rude, bad mannered people. 


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Gandalf The White
18 April 2020 16:50:39


 


That youth wasn't being gobby though. He was rightfully asking what he had done wrong. 


Agree with everything else though! 


Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 


But...... you don't know what happened before what was shown on the video clip.


In the absence of proper evidence neither you nor anyone else is in a position to make a sound judgment about the merits and dismerits of the behaviour of those involved.


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Gandalf The White
18 April 2020 16:52:12


 


I was brought up to be mannerly and respectful, but if this is not reciprocated, then my not so mannerly and respectful side will automatically kick in. We should not have to humour rude, bad mannered people. 


Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 


Even if you were in the wrong in the first place?


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fairweather
18 April 2020 16:54:01


 


It seems after the shock of hearing these kind of numbers from Italy, it's considered the 'norm' perhaps. Yes those numbers are real people. It's hard to take in still what this is all about, what is happening. Just so much focus on PPE, end of lockdown. It's grisly but perhaps there needs to be more attention on the dead and what families are going through, not numbers real people.


Originally Posted by: Phil G 



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llamedos
18 April 2020 16:54:35

Any chance of getting back on topic?


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Chunky Pea
18 April 2020 16:55:33


 


Even if you were in the wrong in the first place?


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


I never am though. 


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Saint Snow
18 April 2020 16:56:19


My reasonable starting point is that if the police had to intervene then he was doing something questionable.  


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


 


That's an assumption. 


My own assumption is that you've lived a very sheltered life.



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Gavin D
18 April 2020 16:59:25

Regional data for new cases today in England


The 7 English regions 



  • London +689 (3.3%) 20,904

  • Midlands +474 (3.4%) 13,963

  • North West +550 (4.2%) 13,237

  • South East +414 (3.5%) 11,885

  • North East and Yorkshire +528 (4.5%) 11,739

  • East of England +344 (4.8%) 7,203

  • South West +226 (5.1%) 4,448


The 10 local areas with the highest cases



  1. Kent +85 (3.9%) 2,193

  2. Birmingham +69 (3.2%) 2,133

  3. Hampshire +64 (3.2%) 2,005

  4. Lancashire +76 (4.0%) 1,918

  5. Surrey +61 (3.3%) 1,832

  6. Essex +60 (3.4%) +1,781

  7. Hertfordshire +57 (3.3%) 1,752

  8. Sheffield +79 (5.1%) 1,553

  9. Cumbria +26 (1.8%) 1,429

  10. Brent +34 (2.9%) 1,160


The 10 local areas with the lowest cases



  1. Rutland 12 - no change

  2. Isle of Wight +9 (13.4%) 67

  3. Hartlepool +2 (2.5%) 81

  4. North East Lincolnshire +2 (2.2%) 91

  5. Torbay 110 - No change

  6. Peterborough +7 (5.5%) 127

  7. Herefordshire, County of +5 (3.7%) 134

  8. North Somerset +4 (2.8%) 145

  9. Bracknell Forest +2 (1.4%) 145

  10. Telford and Wrekin +3 (2.0%) 150

fairweather
18 April 2020 16:59:29


  That’s the figure that currently gives the better picture. 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


Yes, quite a relief really. Knowing that the degree of compliance to lockdown is generally very high it would be very worrying otherwise implying that the virus is spreading in a way we don't understand.


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18 April 2020 17:02:00

I am sure there are reasons for the current approach but surely there has to be some merit in moving to a reusable/washable gown approach (for sustainability as much a small anything else)?

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

You’d really think so!  The visors we make are PET, so they should be recyclable but I doubt they’d be recycled as they’re classed as clinical waste.  We are having to put CE stickers on them that say they must only be worn for one shift!  Consequently, the 10,000 a day that we make, doesn’t go very far!


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xioni2
18 April 2020 17:06:02


Yes, quite a relief really. Knowing that the degree of compliance to lockdown is generally very high it would be very worrying otherwise implying that the virus is spreading in a way we don't understand.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


It's interesting that the decline in hospital admissions seems to be matching the lockdown. Those hospitalised yesterday were probably infected in early April (average incubation period is 5.3 days and then another ~8 days on average  for symptoms to deteriorate).


 

Gandalf The White
18 April 2020 17:17:13


 


 


That's an assumption. 


My own assumption is that you've lived a very sheltered life.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


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Gandalf The White
18 April 2020 17:21:55


 


Possibly although a police officer who, when asked what the subject has done wrong, yells ‘I will make something up, who are they going to believe?’...


I suspect his days in uniform are numbered. It doesn’t matter what the subject did or didn’t do, the officer’s behaviour was completely unacceptable.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Yes, it wasn't acceptable but we don't know how much he was provoked.  I'd be disappointed if a solitary indiscretion cost him his job; that would be disproportionate, wouldn't it?


What get me is that I've known a number of policemen in my life and they've all been decent, pleasant people. I've only ever had one encounter with one with an attitude and that was when leaving Lords cricket ground after a full house watched a T20 match: my young son and I became separated in the crowd and he ended up the wrong side of a suddenly formed police line. But even that ended amicably once he understood the cause of my agitation.


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doctormog
18 April 2020 17:21:56
Apologies for also being off-topic but in the interest of perspective this is the official Lancashire Police (Chief Constable) response

https://mobile.twitter.com/LancsPolice/status/1251535259516239874 
Gandalf The White
18 April 2020 17:24:00

Apologies for also being off-topic but in the interest of perspective this is the official Lancashire Police (Chief Constable) response

https://mobile.twitter.com/LancsPolice/status/1251535259516239874

Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Good.


But some of the tweets below the official response are..... 🙄🙄🙄


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