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Quantum
22 April 2020 15:46:12


 


Pretty much all of this contradicts your idea of freedom when it comes to the concept of 'free speech'. Curious how you have argued, quite well I will acknowledge, for the latter, yet see no problem having peoples basic freedom to roam to be severely restricted. Freedom is freedom. 


Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 


I'm under no illusion that I'm proposing measures that are about as far from my libertarian philosophy as it gets. However this is an extrordinary time. As long as it doesn't last too long I don't think the damage will be too bad. I'd rather have some fairly hard fascism for a couple of months than a slow erasure of freedom over a year or more that eventually becomes permanant.


Fascism is harder to get rid of when its a gradual process. Turn the UK into a police state overnight and people will be much more willing to see these measures come to an end, and they will be able to come to an end much faster.


 


And of course I only support restriction of freedom insofar as it benefits the reduction of spread of disease.


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Quantum
22 April 2020 15:48:25


 


Just don't bother carrying your phone then? Can a phone be tracked if it isn't being used?


Originally Posted by: westv 


a) don't tell people how you are doing it. Buys you a bit of time at the very least


b) There are always smart criminals, but for every smart criminal there are 10 dumb ones. You don't need 100% sucess.


 


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2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.
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Retron
22 April 2020 15:50:36

From the Tele's live feed - more signs of the lockdown gradually easing (along with B&Q, Five Guys etc reopening).

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-uk-vaccine-ppe-deaths-peak-lockdown/

Construction workers' health is being threatened by watered down advice on social distancing on building sites, a union has said.

Unite said the latest guidance being given to building workers was unsafe and placed them at unnecessary risk.

The latest operating procedures were issued to coincide with a return to work at a large number of sites this week, particularly in the London area, Unite said.

The guidance now states that where workers are required to work within two metres of each other, they should "work side by side, or facing away from each other, rather than face to face", the union said.

When this is not possible and workers have to work "face to face" within two metres of each other, workers should "keep this to 15 minutes or less where possible".


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speckledjim
22 April 2020 15:52:01
One week into primary school kids returning to school in Denmark and the average % increase in cases for the week is 2.4% (versus 3.0% for the previous week). For deaths it is 3.7% versus 5.1%. So far so good.....
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SJV
22 April 2020 15:55:03

One week into primary school kids returning to school in Denmark and the average % increase in cases for the week is 2.4% (versus 3.0% for the previous week). For deaths it is 3.7% versus 5.1%. So far so good.....

Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


It's too early to discern what impact re-opening schools there will have, especially for deaths. Give it another week or two.

Gavin D
22 April 2020 16:00:52

Regional data for new cases today in England


The 7 English regions 



  • London +280 (1.3%) 22,352

  • Midlands +605 (3.8%) 16,093

  • North West +421 (2.8%) 15,209

  • South East +397 (2.8%) 14,053

  • North East and Yorkshire +720 (5.2%) 13,777

  • East of England +251 (3.1%) 8,218

  • South West +184 (3.5%) 5,229


The 10 local areas with the highest cases



  1. Kent +88 (3.3%) 2,685

  2. Birmingham +70 (2.9%) 2,431

  3. Hampshire +85 (3.6%) 2,336

  4. Lancashire +59 (2.6%) 2,229

  5. Surrey +34 (1.6%) 2,134

  6. Essex +51 (2.6%) 1,980

  7. Hertfordshire +50 (2.6%) 1,954

  8. Sheffield +62 (3.6%) 1,746

  9. Cumbria +14 (0.9%) 1,543

  10. Staffordshire +59 (4.4%) 1,346


The 10 local areas with the lowest cases



  1. Rutland 13 - No change

  2. Isle of Wight +1 (1.4%) 74

  3. Hartlepool +3 (3.1%) 98

  4. North East Lincolnshire +11 (10.6%) 104

  5. Peterborough +8 (5.2%) 155

  6. Torbay +14 (8.7%) 161

  7. Herefordshire, County of +9 (5.4%) 168

  8. Bracknell Forest +2 (1.1%) 174

  9. North Somerset +6 (3.4%) 175

  10. Bath and North East Somerset +3 (1.6%) 182

westv
22 April 2020 16:01:00

Head of armed forces to join Raab at press briefing.


At least it will be mild!
fairweather
22 April 2020 16:01:56


I do wonder if there might be some connection with the widespread and over use of antibiotics?


Antibiotics are obviously used to "treat" biological, rather than viral infections (where they are completely useless). After time antibiotics become less and less effective, because the immune system in the body hasn't been able to re enforce it's natural immunity. 


If the immune system has already been compromised, might that mean it's ability to then cope with an aggressive virus in certain groups is impossible?  


Originally Posted by: llamedos 


Anti-biotics are used against bacteria. It is the bacteria that adapt to nullify the effect of the anti-biotic. Overuse or even worse not completing a course gives the bacteria the opportunity to mutate by natural selection. With a partial dose most are killed but the strongest survive and go on to reproduce and gradually produce an immuno resistant to the anti-biotic strain. I don't think it affects our immune system per say, which was not up to dealing with the bacteria hence the need of help from the anti-biotic.


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Chunky Pea
22 April 2020 16:05:19


 


I'm under no illusion that I'm proposing measures that are about as far from my libertarian philosophy as it gets. However this is an extrordinary time. As long as it doesn't last too long I don't think the damage will be too bad. I'd rather have some fairly hard fascism for a couple of months than a slow erasure of freedom over a year or more that eventually becomes permanant.


Fascism is harder to get rid of when its a gradual process. Turn the UK into a police state overnight and people will be much more willing to see these measures come to an end, and they will be able to come to an end much faster.


 


And of course I only support restriction of freedom insofar as it benefits the reduction of spread of disease.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


I don't doubt your sincerity (I don't think you could be anything but) but regarding that last sentence, it has been argued numerous times in the 'Free Speech' threads that restrictions on free speech are necessary insofar that it benefits in the reduction in the spread of fascist ideas. (a disease in itself).


I think you can see where I am coming from. 


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Gandalf The White
22 April 2020 16:06:37


 


Pretty much all of this contradicts your idea of freedom when it comes to the concept of 'free speech'. Curious how you have argued, quite well I will acknowledge, for the latter, yet see no problem having peoples basic freedom to roam to be severely restricted. Freedom is freedom. 


Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 


That, presumably, includes the freedom to die a painful death or infect someone else who then dies a painful death.


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Gavin D
22 April 2020 16:08:02

Italy



  • 3,370 new cases 

  • 437 new deaths

JHutch
22 April 2020 16:08:22


Most confirmed cases in english authorities by head of population (source: https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-uk-tracker-how-many-cases-are-in-your-area-updated-daily-11956258 )


                 Cases  per100,000


Brent           1254 379.1





Sunderland  1009 363.7





Southwark   1105 348.3






Lambeth      1047 321.2






Harrow          803 321






Croydon      1226 318.2






Gateshead    634 313.1






Cumbria      1543 309.3






Sheffield      1746 299.7






Knowsley       445 297.5



Saint Snow
22 April 2020 16:17:27


 


F*ck f*ck f*ck. Don't these idiots realize that this lockdown will be for NOTHING if we abandon it now.


In fact it will be worse than nothing because we take the economic hit and the virus.


if this is happening then we need to double down on the lockdown and make it even more restrictive. And people who make unnecessary journeys should be punished even more harshly.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


 


I don't see a problem in re-opening things such as DIY stores, garden centres and the like. People want to be productive whilst they are at home, doing those jobs they rarely have time to do. As long as there are limits on the number of people allowed inside, with social distancing in the stores and queuing outside, it doesn't lead to a greater spread risk than the supermarkets and smaller food shops are presenting.


I do agree with the travelling to tourist spots and second homes, though. This should be clamped down on hard, and I'd be way stricter in enforcement of this. There's no need to be travelling far for anything, let a alone a weekend jolly to a country pad.



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Saint Snow
22 April 2020 16:18:29


Head of armed forces to join Raab at press briefing.


Originally Posted by: westv 


 


Is that a cynical PR stunt. For some reason, the pathetic plebs of this country get hard-ons for military types.



Martin
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"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
Chunky Pea
22 April 2020 16:18:34


 


That, presumably, includes the freedom to die a painful death or infect someone else who then dies a painful death.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


So, if I bring my dog for a walk around the park later, only to get accosted by two cops sitting side by side in a car, I am the one infecting people, while they, being 'key workers' who not only have the freedom to travel where they wish, are also curiously not infecting people. 


How does that work exactly? 


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fairweather
22 April 2020 16:19:49


 


F*ck f*ck f*ck. Don't these idiots realize that this lockdown will be for NOTHING if we abandon it now.


In fact it will be worse than nothing because we take the economic hit and the virus.


if this is happening then we need to double down on the lockdown and make it even more restrictive. And people who make unnecessary journeys should be punished even more harshly. 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Still very good round here. Roads way down on normal. People social distancing apart from the odd few idiots. Mind you still people commenting on Yahoo News saying it is only like mild flu and the Government are keeping us locked down so we can't do anything about the 5G masts. Seriously - that's what somebody wrote !!


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Gavin D
22 April 2020 16:20:17

Daily slides


Transport



Cases



Patients in hospital



Deaths on a rolling 7-day average


Saint Snow
22 April 2020 16:22:30


 


You do realize that the tory base is the most affected by this virus right? If they are truly as sinister as you think (they arn't) then they would want to perform well because the deaths are mostly going to be tory voting.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


 


It's not the traditional Tory base that Cummings, Bozo, Rees-Smug and most of the other New Brexit Party c*nts answer to. I dare say the occupants of Tufton Street are safely secluded away from potential infection.



Martin
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"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
Bolty
22 April 2020 16:24:15

Americans really are tapped. The US is a powderkeg waiting to go off...






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Saint Snow
22 April 2020 16:26:15


Americans really are tapped. The US is a powderkeg waiting to go off...






Originally Posted by: Bolty 


 


Half of them will believe that baby Jesus will save them



Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
fairweather
22 April 2020 16:27:46


The Tele has this useful graph - click to enlarge. It backs up what the Chinese found, the virus is an efficient killer of the old.



Originally Posted by: Retron 


Yes, I've always noticed old people tend to die more often than young people! 


S.Essex, 42m ASL
springsunshine
22 April 2020 16:29:13


 


Again I have to ask, who gets to decide what is or not a 'necessary journey'? Going shopping or visiting a friend are equally essential. The former because we need to eat, and the latter because we humans are instinctively social beings. The attempt to keep people 'distanced' from each other is only going to work for so long. 


 


 


Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 


What is not essential to one person is essential to another.

fairweather
22 April 2020 16:39:33


 


TBH after the first few days there hasn't been much attempt to enforce the lockdown.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I'd like to see a bit more emphasis on stopping people increasing transmission risk rather than this blanket approach that leaving your house is a criminal offence. As far as I can tell the biggest risks I have been put under were collecting shopping and deliveries. If I had my way I  would have had the police arrest the idiot manager at Asda that thought installing a touch machine for click and collect to re-enter your order number and placing it in the entrance adjacent to a busy escalator. I have been very careful how I handle mail and deliveries but is everybody?


S.Essex, 42m ASL
fairweather
22 April 2020 16:44:00

One week into primary school kids returning to school in Denmark and the average % increase in cases for the week is 2.4% (versus 3.0% for the previous week). For deaths it is 3.7% versus 5.1%. So far so good.....

Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


Well obviously! Why wouldn't it be after a week. There's a week's incubation for infection and three weeks lag to death. How hard is that to grasp?


S.Essex, 42m ASL
Heavy Weather 2013
22 April 2020 16:47:29


Americans really are tapped. The US is a powderkeg waiting to go off...






Originally Posted by: Bolty 


All incited by Trump. 


I can honestly see mass shooting or something happening. Free from Tyranny. Honestly?!


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