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Caz
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27 April 2020 19:09:08


A little offering from Caz and myself for when things get heated 


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Originally Posted by: llamedos 

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Bugglesgate
27 April 2020 19:12:05

We are approaching a situation where countries such as NZ have essentially eradicated the virus. They are living with full day to day freedoms. Meanwhile, we are in lockdown and staring down the barrel of months if not longer with at least some forms of restriction on life - contact, jobs, schooling, gatherings.

Just contemplate that: one government's decisions has given their population normality; while we will be seeing a severe limiting of our lives for some time. That's a pretty big contrast in nature and quality of life. Sobering.

Originally Posted by: NickR 


 


Nick,


You aren't comparing like with like.   NZ is a backwater compared to the UK and has a tiny population compared to us.  We  have  external connections  right across Europe, into the Americas and  Commonwealth countries.  You only have to glance at the air traffic in normal times to see how hugely busy this interchange is.  Severing those cannot be done on a whim and until you do that anything you do internally is negated.  


I'd be the first   to say the Govt were tardy to start taking measures, and in particular not halting  travel from  Italy,  but these measures are a huge deal for the UK, economically and culturally.  Even   if they had acted earlier I very much doubt we would be on the cusp of eradicating Coronavirus at this point - by dint of our hugely  dense conurbations


 

Chris (It,its)
Between Newbury and Basingstoke
"When they are giving you their all, some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy banging your heart against some mad buggers wall"
The Beast from the East
27 April 2020 19:12:11

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Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
speckledjim
27 April 2020 19:16:14

We are approaching a situation where countries such as NZ have essentially eradicated the virus. They are living with full day to day freedoms. Meanwhile, we are in lockdown and staring down the barrel of months if not longer with at least some forms of restriction on life - contact, jobs, schooling, gatherings.

Just contemplate that: one government's decisions has given their population normality; while we will be seeing a severe limiting of our lives for some time. That's a pretty big contrast in nature and quality of life. Sobering.

Originally Posted by: NickR 


Thats not true - From Tuesday, some non-essential business, healthcare and education activity will be able to resume. Most people will still be required to remain at home at all times and avoid all social interactions.

Thorner, West Yorkshire


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NickR
27 April 2020 19:17:35


 


 


Nick,


You aren't comparing like with like.   NZ is a backwater compared to the UK and has a tiny population compared to us.  We  have  external connections  right across Europe, into the Americas and  Commonwealth countries.  You only have to glance at the air traffic in normal times to see how hugely busy this interchange is.  Severing those cannot be done on a whim and until you do that anything you do internally is negated.  


I'd be the first   to say the Govt were tardy to start taking measures, and in particular not halting  travel from  Italy,  but these measures are a huge deal for the UK, economically and culturally.  Even   if they had acted earlier I very much doubt we would be on the cusp of eradicating Coronavirus   at this point by dint of our hugely  dense conurbations


 


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


I don't agree. Greece, SK, Aus, NZ - all very different types of country. And they've all managed this. Most countries had already cut flights so that it would not have been hard to cut flights into the UK. The external connections were gone. We were the outlier.

Nick
Durham
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NickR
27 April 2020 19:20:59


 


Thats not true - From Tuesday, some non-essential business, healthcare and education activity will be able to resume. Most people will still be required to remain at home at all times and avoid all social interactions.


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


Give it a few weeks. Compare us with them then. They took the steps we didn't. They'll have normality and we won't.

Nick
Durham
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The Beast from the East
27 April 2020 19:27:23

"We have some alternative facts for you"
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speckledjim
27 April 2020 19:29:34


 


Give it a few weeks. Compare us with them then. They took the steps we didn't. They'll have normality and we won't.


Originally Posted by: NickR 


They have done an excellent job at eradicating it no doubt about it. It will be v interesting to compare and contrast how different countries have dealt with this and how they come out the other end. I don’t see though how you can compare us with NZ. Yes, with countries such as France, Germany, Netherlands.

Thorner, West Yorkshire


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DEW
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27 April 2020 19:31:04

We are approaching a situation where countries such as NZ have essentially eradicated the virus. They are living with full day to day freedoms. Meanwhile, we are in lockdown and staring down the barrel of months if not longer with at least some forms of restriction on life - contact, jobs, schooling, gatherings.

Just contemplate that: one government's decisions has given their population normality; while we will be seeing a severe limiting of our lives for some time. That's a pretty big contrast in nature and quality of life. Sobering.

Originally Posted by: NickR 


Eradicated -yes, but only in NZ. 


NZ people are sensitive about entry of unwanted organisms (when I visited, the man in front at immigration was mad to remove his boots and scrub the soles clean of dirt) so isolation for CV purposes must have been second nature.


But they can't lock themselves away for ever, so essentially they're banking on a vaccine. I'm not convinced the UK could do the same. In this context, I was interested to hear that South Africa is VERY carefully monitoring long-distance lorry drivers and we have a few of those, on account of SA's experience with the spread of a  previous virus, HIV.


But, as Chris says, we could have done better. I was unconvinced by Boris' speech today; it seemed to be in the nature of a holding operation and he himself didn't seem to be totally on top of things. No apology of course for being late to the party back in March. Radio Sussex had a caller who considered it statesmanlike and masterful, not to say Churchillian. I nearly threw the radio out of the window but remembered that the BBC currently has to suck up to the Tory party to avoid being dismembered.

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Lionel Hutz
27 April 2020 19:31:39


 


Give it a few weeks. Compare us with them then. They took the steps we didn't. They'll have normality and we won't.


Originally Posted by: NickR 


The bigger question is what to do next. There is increasing speculation that our lockdown, which is similar enough to that of the UK, will be extended. Our current lockdown is scheduled until the end of the bank holiday weekend when it is due to be removed. While I want to see the economy open up as much as possible as soon as possible, I am coming round to the view that a continuation of the current lockdown might save us time in the medium term as regards getting back to normal. After all, at the current rate, how long before New Zealand will be able to virtually fully reopen their economy, pubs and all? Not immediately, but it's probably not too dark off and the Greeks probably aren't too far behind(the proviso in both cases, of course, being closed borders. We have made real progress and perhaps it's better to consolidate those gains?

Lionel Hutz
Nr.Waterford , S E Ireland
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Gandalf The White
27 April 2020 19:34:59


 


Have you been to Glasgow recently?


Originally Posted by: Lionel Hutz 


LOL


You've reminded me of a hilarious moment in Bill Bryson's book about travelling around Britain.  He gets lost in Glasgow and goes into a pub to ask for directions.... and doesn't understand a word.  It's funny in the book; it was read on the BBC some years back. We were driving south in France the morning that they reached that part and I almost had to stop the car from laughing so much.

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Chunky Pea
27 April 2020 19:40:41




Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


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Chunky Pea
27 April 2020 19:42:09


 


LOL


You've reminded me of a hilarious moment in Bill Bryson's book about travelling around Britain.  He gets lost in Glasgow and goes into a pub to ask for directions.... and doesn't understand a word.  It's funny in the book; it was read on the BBC some years back. We were driving south in France the morning that they reached that part and I almost had to stop the car from laughing so much.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


'Scutlund' is a place I have never been too, but would love to see. Not sure about Glasgow though, as it has a sort of hard head reputation. 

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Saint Snow
27 April 2020 19:47:42


Stories like these make blood boil.


We're all making sacrifices, yet these arseholes refuse to do their bit.


This account by a police officer from the first article has me incredulous; I doubt this is scrotes from a council estate visiting Malham Cove:



"Politely engaging with folk to go back to where they came from (Kent, Barnsley, Bradford, Dewsbury, Accrington) their sense of entitlement kicked in, and I endured more abuse than I ever have dealing with drunken idiots outside nightclubs," she wrote.


She said one group had spat on the ground in front of her, another man had hurled abuse at her in front of his children, and she had to break-up one group who decided to have a barbecue on parched ground at the top of Malham Cove.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-52442573


 


This is from the neighbouring town and I know the area in question; it is scumbag central. Police called 30 times in the past month as the pieces of turd wilfully ignore coronavirus restrictions:


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-lockdown-rules-broken-police-widnes-cheshire-a9483596.html


 


Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
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NickR
27 April 2020 19:49:15


 


But they can't lock themselves away for ever, so essentially they're banking on a vaccine.


 


Originally Posted by: DEW 


I've seen this argument quite a lot, and I don't agree with it. Having eradicated it, it becomes much easier to prevent it from taking hold in the future, with, at most, the occasional short lockdown. 14 day quarantine/strict tests for those coming in from abroad. Test, trace, and isolate for any case detected. No need to lock themselves away for ever.

Nick
Durham
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Bugglesgate
27 April 2020 20:07:05



Stories like these make blood boil.


We're all making sacrifices, yet these arseholes refuse to do their bit.


This account by a police officer from the first article has me incredulous; I doubt this is scrotes from a council estate visiting Malham Cove:


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-52442573


This is from the neighbouring town and I know the area in question; it is scumbag central. Police called 30 times in the past month as the pieces of turd wilfully ignore coronavirus restrictions:


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-lockdown-rules-broken-police-widnes-cheshire-a9483596.html


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


It's   no different to the picnickers I stumbled on the other day completely blocking my path.  They must know bloody well that's  outside what's allowed.  The fines are derisory.  Stick a couple of noughts on them and people might  take some notice.

Chris (It,its)
Between Newbury and Basingstoke
"When they are giving you their all, some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy banging your heart against some mad buggers wall"
Joe Bloggs
27 April 2020 20:07:39


 


'Scutlund' is a place I have never been too, but would love to see. Not sure about Glasgow though, as it has a sort of hard head reputation. 


Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 


Off topic, but Glasgow is one of the most beautiful, underrated cities in the UK. 


Go there some day. :-) 


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Saint Snow
27 April 2020 20:19:13


 


Off topic, but Glasgow is one of the most beautiful, underrated cities in the UK. 


Go there some day. :-) 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


 


It's a stunning city, and the only night out I've had there I didn't ever feel threatened. 


 


 


 


Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
Essan
27 April 2020 20:22:18


 


Give it a few weeks. Compare us with them then. They took the steps we didn't. They'll have normality and we won't.


Originally Posted by: NickR 



Yes, they didn't have tens of thousands of rich citizens ski-ing in the Alps in February.  

Andy
Evesham, Worcs, Albion - 35m asl
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Essan
27 April 2020 20:28:42


'Scutlund' is a place I have never been too, but would love to see. Not sure about Glasgow though, as it has a sort of hard head reputation. 


Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 



The main problem is that all public buildings (including shops and pubs) have the heating turned up to 30c all year round.  

You can tell you're in Glasgow because even on a warm sunny day the locals are dressed in thick coats and scarfs."

They have to do this because if a Scotsman experiences temperatures below 25c they start voting Tory.  "This is entirely true 

Andy
Evesham, Worcs, Albion - 35m asl
Weather & Earth Science News 

Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job - DNA
Lionel Hutz
27 April 2020 20:40:52


 


LOL


You've reminded me of a hilarious moment in Bill Bryson's book about travelling around Britain.  He gets lost in Glasgow and goes into a pub to ask for directions.... and doesn't understand a word.  It's funny in the book; it was read on the BBC some years back. We were driving south in France the morning that they reached that part and I almost had to stop the car from laughing so much.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


I remember reading that book many years ago. I still remember one or two passages. Laugh out loud funny in places. 

Lionel Hutz
Nr.Waterford , S E Ireland
68m ASL



Gavin D
27 April 2020 20:41:07

Not sure about this having listened to Boris this morning. Unless SAGE have different data that will allow it of course.


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Ulric
27 April 2020 20:46:25


It's a stunning city, and the only night out I've had there I didn't ever feel threatened.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


I remember having to kill 4 hours waiting for my overnight sleeper train from Queen Street one evening in about 1990. Had a great night out!

To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
Gandalf The White
27 April 2020 21:08:53


 


I've seen this argument quite a lot, and I don't agree with it. Having eradicated it, it becomes much easier to prevent it from taking hold in the future, with, at most, the occasional short lockdown. 14 day quarantine/strict tests for those coming in from abroad. Test, trace, and isolate for any case detected. No need to lock themselves away for ever.


Originally Posted by: NickR 


I have to say that comparing the UK with New Zealand is akin to comparing London with a small provincial town. 

Location: South Cambridgeshire
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Gandalf The White
27 April 2020 21:12:48



Stories like these make blood boil.


We're all making sacrifices, yet these arseholes refuse to do their bit.


This account by a police officer from the first article has me incredulous; I doubt this is scrotes from a council estate visiting Malham Cove:


 


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-52442573


 


This is from the neighbouring town and I know the area in question; it is scumbag central. Police called 30 times in the past month as the pieces of turd wilfully ignore coronavirus restrictions:


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-lockdown-rules-broken-police-widnes-cheshire-a9483596.html


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


How do you reach that conclusion from the report?  It seems to me to be mostly about the prism of your prejudices than anything to do with the facts. 

Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


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