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speckledjim
02 May 2020 08:29:12


Ireland unlocking process which begins on May 18th each stage will last 3-weeks running through to early August





 


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


So no school return until September then. It's not surprising as they break up for Summer in June anyway.


Thorner, West Yorkshire


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doctormog
02 May 2020 08:30:29
People want answers but answers take time. We need to understand that asking an unanswerable (at this stage) question time and time again benefits no-one. However I don’t expect that to change as long as headlines are needed.
Brian Gaze
02 May 2020 08:30:36


The problem is there is so much confusion and conflicting evidence. No one seems to know for sure how this virus is transmitted most effectively. I've read completely different ideas on surface transmission for example. The only definite seems to be that if people cough on you, you are very likely to catch it. 


If the virus is so easily transmitted in the air then it's difficult to see how anyone can avoid it without shutting themselves away until a vaccine appears. 


Originally Posted by: Northern Sky 


That is presumably because it is a newly identified virus. So although the government appears to be all over the place at times it is understandable to an extent.  


My view is simple. When restrictions are eased I will not be an "early adopter" of the new regime. My wife and I will sit back for a few weeks to see how it develops. We both work from home in normal times so in many ways it's not much different. The big loss is not going to pubs and restaurants etc. We've also been fortunate in being able to book weekly online food deliveries from the supermarkets throughout the lockdown period so far.


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Berkhamsted
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David M Porter
02 May 2020 08:41:15


The problem is there is so much confusion and conflicting evidence. No one seems to know for sure how this virus is transmitted most effectively. I've read completely different ideas on surface transmission for example. The only definite seems to be that if people cough on you, you are very likely to catch it. 


If the virus is so easily transmitted in the air then it's difficult to see how anyone can avoid it without shutting themselves away until a vaccine appears. 


Originally Posted by: Northern Sky 


Without being any kind of expert on this virus, from what I do know of it I would have thought that if it was that easy to catch it just from breathing in the air outside, then the number of cases and deaths from the virus both in this country and many others around the world would be very much higher than is the case.


Lenzie, Glasgow

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David M Porter
02 May 2020 08:47:42


 


That is presumably because it is a newly identified virus. So although the government appears to be all over the place at times it is understandable to an extent.  


My view is simple. When restrictions are eased I will not be an "early adopter" of the new regime. My wife and I will sit back for a few weeks to see how it develops. We both work from home in normal times so in many ways it's not much different. The big loss is not going to pubs and restaurants etc. We've also been fortunate in being able to book weekly online food deliveries from the supermarkets throughout the lockdown period so far.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Speaking as someone who is in the middle of a 12-week self isolation period, I won't be going out as normal again until I am advised by my doctors at my local hospital that it is safe for me to do so again. I guess that depending on how the virus behaves in this country over the coming few months, it could be that my self isolation period is extended once the initial 12 weeks are up.


Lenzie, Glasgow

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Brian Gaze
02 May 2020 09:00:04

Interesting article in the Tele about why "British exceptionalism" appears to be coming up trumps for once. 


Why Britain ended up as the one of the worst in the world at fighting coronavirus - the experts' views


Experts give their opinions on why the UK has been hit so hard by the Covid-19 virus


Theories suggested:


An elderly and unhealthy population
Protect the NHS has actually cost lives
Just bad luck?
Too late to lockdown and a failure to close the borders
Failure to protect the elderly?
Lack of testing
Insufficient PPE


More info in the article here:


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/01/britain-ended-one-worst-world-fighting-coronavirus-experts/


 


Brian Gaze
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SJV
02 May 2020 09:04:18


 


It actually beggars believe John.


They have a whole headline dedicated to relaxation of the 2m rule, yet the source also says it’s a non starter.


What a disgrace this paper is.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Yes I completely agree. Like Caz says, whatver happened to respectable investigative journalism. 


The Telegraph is an absolute disgrace.

David M Porter
02 May 2020 09:18:24


Interesting article in the Tele about why "British exceptionalism" appears to be coming up trumps for once. 


Why Britain ended up as the one of the worst in the world at fighting coronavirus - the experts' views


Experts give their opinions on why the UK has been hit so hard by the Covid-19 virus


Theories suggested:


An elderly and unhealthy population
Protect the NHS has actually cost lives
Just bad luck?
Too late to lockdown and a failure to close the borders
Failure to protect the elderly?
Lack of testing
Insufficient PPE


More info in the article here:


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/01/britain-ended-one-worst-world-fighting-coronavirus-experts/


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


My own view is the the government very much underestimated the seriousness of Covid-19 for many weeks even in the face of the evidence that was emerging of the damage it was doing in Italy.


It was IMHO extremely naive, to say the least, for anyone to think that this country would be spared from the worst of the virus just because of who we are if we did not take the necessary protection steps early on. I seem to recall reading a couple of months ago that the Italian healthcare system is one that is held in very high esteem by many people for its quality of service, and yet look at how it was overwhelmed. Why should this country have been any different just because we are "Great Britain"?


Lenzie, Glasgow

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The Beast from the East
02 May 2020 09:22:42


British workers slammed by farmer: 


The farmer, who asked to remain anonymous as he feared losing his pickers, said: “It’s a complete nightmare, to be honest. If I had to rely on British workers I would be out of business next year.


“It’s an uncertain time at the moment but I think the government is somewhat deluded in thinking the ‘great British workforce’ is capable of doing this.”


“They find it too physical. I’m ashamed of the British workers. It’s a joke. The English workers have been picking about 60, 65 per cent of what my returnees do.


“Out of 50-odd workers, I’ve got about four good ones. Our season will be over in six weeks, then the soft fruit growers are really in trouble.”


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/farmers-fear-disaster-as-new-land-army-enters-the-field-w6h25v0ws


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


He's right. I used to pick Asparagus as a student and this  was about the time when Europeans started coming over and they were much better and hard working. 


Of course, we have a No deal or hard Brexit coming in 6 months. That is actually going to be a much bigger crisis for this country than Covid, and entirely self-inflicted


 


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The Beast from the East
02 May 2020 09:26:11


  


The Telegraph is an absolute disgrace.


Originally Posted by: SJV 


It has been for years. Aiden Barclay is second on my list of bellends I would like to see swinging from a lamppost, behind Rupert.


Boris is still officially on the payroll even though he hasn't written a column since becoming PM


 


Purley, Surrey, 70m ASL

"We have some alternative facts for you"

Kelly-Ann Conway - former special adviser to the President
The Beast from the East
02 May 2020 09:31:27


Interesting article in the Tele about why "British exceptionalism" appears to be coming up trumps for once. 


Why Britain ended up as the one of the worst in the world at fighting coronavirus - the experts' views


Experts give their opinions on why the UK has been hit so hard by the Covid-19 virus


Theories suggested:


An elderly and unhealthy population
Protect the NHS has actually cost lives
Just bad luck?
Too late to lockdown and a failure to close the borders
Failure to protect the elderly?
Lack of testing
Insufficient PPE


 


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Nothing to do with luck. We knew what was coming weeks in advance.


Both Britain and the US have been worst affected for similar reasons. A deeply divided and unequal population with huge numbers in poverty and in poor health to begin with. 


Appalling political leadership and complacency, and a media corrupted by Murdoch and other media tycoons


Purley, Surrey, 70m ASL

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Kelly-Ann Conway - former special adviser to the President
Gandalf The White
02 May 2020 09:31:40


 


It has been for years. Aiden Barclay is second on my list of bellends I would like to see swinging from a lamppost, behind Rupert.


Boris is still officially on the payroll even though he hasn't written a column since becoming PM


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Is that fact or fantasy?  If he was then it would have to be disclosed under HoC rules - has he declared it as an interest?  I'd be amazed; it's one thing as an MP but would be completely inappropriate as PM, IMHO.


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ozone_aurora
02 May 2020 10:04:13


 


That is presumably because it is a newly identified virus. So although the government appears to be all over the place at times it is understandable to an extent.  


My view is simple. When restrictions are eased I will not be an "early adopter" of the new regime. My wife and I will sit back for a few weeks to see how it develops. We both work from home in normal times so in many ways it's not much different. The big loss is not going to pubs and restaurants etc. We've also been fortunate in being able to book weekly online food deliveries from the supermarkets throughout the lockdown period so far.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I will be sticking with the lockdown regime for the foreseeable future, not only to protect myself but also to protect others. I just don't know if I have the virus or not, despite even showing no symptoms. Certainly I would not to risk going to see my Mum at a nursing home, no matter how much I miss her (I hope their restrictions remain in place).

It's going to be a very difficult time for the elderly & the vulnerable when the lockdown is released, if people start crowding into places as predicted; cases are bound to start rising again.

The Beast from the East
02 May 2020 10:06:20


Purley, Surrey, 70m ASL

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Kelly-Ann Conway - former special adviser to the President
Heavy Weather 2013
02 May 2020 10:07:20




Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


I thought this was already known


Mark
Beckton, E London
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westv
02 May 2020 10:08:31




Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


New?? I thought the link between a poor outcome and obesity was already thought to be real.


At least it will be mild!
Roger Parsons
02 May 2020 10:10:56


That is presumably because it is a newly identified virus. So although the government appears to be all over the place at times it is understandable to an extent.  


My view is simple. When restrictions are eased I will not be an "early adopter" of the new regime. My wife and I will sit back for a few weeks to see how it develops. We both work from home in normal times so in many ways it's not much different. The big loss is not going to pubs and restaurants etc. We've also been fortunate in being able to book weekly online food deliveries from the supermarkets throughout the lockdown period so far.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I absolutely endorse this sensible point of view, Brian. Many uncertainties remain and anything could change at any time. It would be foolhardy for anyone to rush back to their old social habits. Rash behaviour now could go seriously wrong.


Best to be a laggard where you can for a month or two. You can party later.


Roger


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Phil G
02 May 2020 10:13:22


 


He's right. I used to pick Asparagus as a student and this  was about the time when Europeans started coming over and they were much better and hard working. 


Of course, we have a No deal or hard Brexit coming in 6 months. That is actually going to be a much bigger crisis for this country than Covid, and entirely self-inflicted


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


I don't know why they don't invent machines that can get crops out of the ground just as an efficiency thing. This problem is not going to go away. We should not rely on foreign pickers to do 'our dirty work'. Following the 2016 ref result where sterling fell, there was a mass exodus of foreign workers back to their homes as it wasn't worth their while with the worse exchange rate. That was one example of a flight of workers, but just goes to show we are too heavily exposed and reliant on these people. We need to address asap.


Not crops, but they have done away with manpower in factories, car makers etc. About time investment was made in agriculture to bring it into the modern world. But you still need someone to drive the tractors ooooooaaaaarrrrrgghh!

Brian Gaze
02 May 2020 10:14:02


 


I absolutely endorse this sensible point of view, Brian. Many uncertainties remain and anything could change at any time. It would be foolhardy for anyone to rush back to their old social habits. Rash behaviour now could go seriously wrong.


Best to be a laggard where you can for a month or two. You can party later.


Roger


Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 


Indeed. I've been increasingly convinced over the years that "doing nothing" (in this case making no changes) is very often the best strategy in life. 


Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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Gooner
02 May 2020 10:14:06

Commuters will be asked to take their temperature according to The Times. I'm sure a couple of months ago the view was taking temperatures of passengers at airports was of very little value. Also, many home thermometers are inaccurate or difficult to use. Sounds farcical to me.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Relying on people to regularly do that is mad ………….never happen


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Caz
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02 May 2020 10:16:03


British workers slammed by farmer: 


The farmer, who asked to remain anonymous as he feared losing his pickers, said: “It’s a complete nightmare, to be honest. If I had to rely on British workers I would be out of business next year.


“It’s an uncertain time at the moment but I think the government is somewhat deluded in thinking the ‘great British workforce’ is capable of doing this.”


“They find it too physical. I’m ashamed of the British workers. It’s a joke. The English workers have been picking about 60, 65 per cent of what my returnees do.


“Out of 50-odd workers, I’ve got about four good ones. Our season will be over in six weeks, then the soft fruit growers are really in trouble.”


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/farmers-fear-disaster-as-new-land-army-enters-the-field-w6h25v0ws


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Another media string along?  How come the farmer in question doesn’t want to be identified?  Is it because he isn’t actually a farmer?  


There have been two big stories in the media recently where the complainant was unnamed but were claimed to be in a certain position that they weren’t actually in!


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Hippydave
02 May 2020 10:17:41


 


New?? I thought the link between a poor outcome and obesity was already thought to be real.


Originally Posted by: westv 


I suspect it's a bit of sensationalist reporting but the article explains that the concern is not the link, which is known, but that the outcomes are worse than initially expected and covid-19 is more dangerous to the obese than initial advice/guidance suggested.


It'd be nice to think that this outbreak will make us take a long hard look at things like obesity, air pollution etc., both of which it's strongly suggested have contributed to deaths (and are obviously a significant cause of deaths in normal times) but I suspect all that will happen will be a bit more noise about it for a short period of time and then everyone will stick their heads down and carry on largely unchanged, aided and abetted by the usual media and political agendas influenced by the mega wealthy.  


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Devonian
02 May 2020 10:28:18


 


I suspect it's a bit of sensationalist reporting but the article explains that the concern is not the link, which is known, but that the outcomes are worse than initially expected and covid-19 is more dangerous to the obese than initial advice/guidance suggested.


It'd be nice to think that this outbreak will make us take a long hard look at things like obesity, air pollution etc., both of which it's strongly suggested have contributed to deaths (and are obviously a significant cause of deaths in normal times) but I suspect all that will happen will be a bit more noise about it for a short period of time and then everyone will stick their heads down and carry on largely unchanged, aided and abetted by the usual media and political agendas influenced by the mega wealthy.  


Originally Posted by: Hippydave 


Wrt air quality this reasonable extrapolation...

llamedos
02 May 2020 10:29:17


 


I suspect it's a bit of sensationalist reporting but the article explains that the concern is not the link, which is known, but that the outcomes are worse than initially expected and covid-19 is more dangerous to the obese than initial advice/guidance suggested.


It'd be nice to think that this outbreak will make us take a long hard look at things like obesity, air pollution etc., both of which it's strongly suggested have contributed to deaths (and are obviously a significant cause of deaths in normal times) but I suspect all that will happen will be a bit more noise about it for a short period of time and then everyone will stick their heads down and carry on largely unchanged, aided and abetted by the usual media and political agendas influenced by the mega wealthy.  


Originally Posted by: Hippydave 

I wonder if child obesity will decline a little with the likes of McD's still closed ....how many kids live on their "offerings" ?


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Bugglesgate
02 May 2020 10:29:25


 


New?? I thought the link between a poor outcome and obesity was already thought to be real.


Originally Posted by: westv 


 


Indeed ! I thought we were talking about this  months ago.


My BMI is 22.6 so unless I go on a doughnut and lardy cake diet  I should be  OK - at least in this respect !


 


 


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