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fairweather
02 May 2020 17:08:33

Other than the potential to increase RTA's a bit (and the NHS can probably handle that again now) I'm not overly concerned. People in their cars are not going to have any bad affect on transmission if they are on their own or with a household members and it may just be a sign that people are more in the swing of dropping off shopping, saying hello from a distance for e.g a birthday and a few more going back to work of sorts.


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JHutch
02 May 2020 17:11:07


 


Roads in urban areas are probably not much less busy than normal in places (maybe about 60%) but this is balanced out by the motorways. I went over the M4 on my bike on my daily exercise the other weekend and it was virtually empty.


I'm assuming this chart is measured by miles travelled, and journeys on average must be considerably shorter.


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


Apparently it is measured by the amount of traffic going over automatic traffic counters.


 


Data source


The analysis is based on around 275 automatic traffic count sites across Great Britain. These sites are used for DfT’s Quarterly Road Traffic National Statistics series to estimate traffic change and as such the samples of automatic traffic counters are stratified by area, road type, and traffic flow levels and have been designed to be representative of national traffic.


https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-transport-data-methodology-note/covid-19-transport-data-methodology-note#road-traffic

Gavin D
02 May 2020 17:34:25

Pillar 1 - 2,750
Pillar 2 - 2,056


Total: 4,806

speckledjim
02 May 2020 17:45:51


 


Mr Perfect - you should write a book , no doubt be a best seller 


Some people drink and smoke for all sorts of different reasons and haven't got the mental strength to just flick the switch , It's not good to be so judgemental , everyone is different .


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


My wife wouldn't agree with you 


Thorner, West Yorkshire


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The Beast from the East
02 May 2020 17:45:53


Johnson and his partner have named their son after their two grandfathers and "Nicholas" after the two doctors that "saved his life" both called "Nick". 


I wonder how keen he would have been to name him "Adebola" and "Sanjay" if he'd been in an ICU in our local hospital in Essex? 


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


Or Mohammed! 


I doubt his life was ever in danger and his symptoms became worse because he's a fat lump


He is treated like a hero for recovering from this, even though his carelessness (boasting about shaking hands with patients) probably led to him catching it in the first place


 


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Sussex snow magnet
02 May 2020 17:48:32


 


Can see the datasets by going to the link below and clicking on them.


Thursday 2nd April had 35% of normal traffic, Thursday 30th April had 42% of normal traffic. Not that much of a rise but the extra 7% is 20% of the 35% (if that makes sense).


https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/slides-and-datasets-to-accompany-coronavirus-press-conference-2-may-2020


Originally Posted by: JHutch 


 


Yes that makes more sence, I drive for a living and 7% would match my thoughts, the graph just to look at quickly though doesn't give the impression of a 7% change,  biggest change I have seen is during the middle of the day with rush hour in the morning still being very quite.

four
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02 May 2020 17:50:24


 


Or Mohammed! 


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 



Or Mahadaji Dattachaudhuri
Or Tina.
Perhaps they thought it would be a good choice and appropriate.

But probably never expected it would be a gift for cheap point scoring by baby haters


Ulric
02 May 2020 17:55:01

Government actively preventing Trusts from buying PPE.


https://www.hsj.co.uk/coronavirus/government-bans-trusts-from-major-ppe-deals-to-stop-them-competing-for-scarce-equipment/7027554.article


Doesn't that just make you feel all warm inside?


To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
The Beast from the East
02 May 2020 18:28:27




Or Mahadaji Dattachaudhuri
Or Tina.
Perhaps they thought it would be a good choice and appropriate.

But probably never expected it would be a gift for cheap point scoring by baby haters


Originally Posted by: four 


I think you are missing point. If the Doctor was called Abdul, I doubt very much he would have named his child that!


Lighten up you snowflake


Purley, Surrey, 70m ASL

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The Beast from the East
02 May 2020 18:29:27

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Purley, Surrey, 70m ASL

"We have some alternative facts for you"

Kelly-Ann Conway - former special adviser to the President
DEW
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02 May 2020 18:36:31


 


Yer, I was  a victim of 70s "driller killer" dentist.  Every time a ruddy filling.  I stopped going  shortly after starting work when he subjected me to extreme pain and  the only response  from him was "stop making animal noises old sport" 


Had a break of 3 decades until the stuff he put in degraded and gave me 2 abbesses simultaneously.  The ones I go to now are brilliant. I haven't had any new work, they just keep having to repair  all the stuff that b*srard put in.  Got alone knows how much dental work I would have if I hadn't stopped seeing him when I did.  The fact that I haven't needed  any new dental   work done  for the decades after I stopped seeing him merely rams home  how unlikely it was that  all the stuff he did was necessary. 


I'm still quite angry about it, and I'm still "dining out" on the problems he created with the tooth that has broken during lockdown.  It was  one of the ones he killed with a huge filling in the 70s


 


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


Some people have all the luck I'm afraid I have nun


War does not determine who is right, only who is left - Bertrand Russell

Chichester 12m asl
Super Cell
02 May 2020 18:37:45


 


TBH attitudes like that are best left behind in the Young Conservatives. Most of us become a bit more nuanced in our views of others as we age.  


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 



Most. But certainly not all.


 


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The Beast from the East
02 May 2020 18:40:38


Purley, Surrey, 70m ASL

"We have some alternative facts for you"

Kelly-Ann Conway - former special adviser to the President
ktaylor
02 May 2020 19:14:26

Has anyone come across this live data map on you tube


https://youtu.be/NMre6IAAAiU


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Caz
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02 May 2020 19:32:15


Government actively preventing Trusts from buying PPE.


https://www.hsj.co.uk/coronavirus/government-bans-trusts-from-major-ppe-deals-to-stop-them-competing-for-scarce-equipment/7027554.article


Doesn't that just make you feel all warm inside?


Originally Posted by: Ulric 

The government may well be telling trusts not to buy PPE and it makes sense because the government are paying for it out of central funds.  They have paid the company I work for to make and deliver PPE at no cost to the NHS trusts themselves!  


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Gandalf The White
02 May 2020 19:36:02

The graph itself though I would question up against reality, roughly 38% at the beginning of April now roughly 41% doesn't seem to relate to how much busier the roads seem to be?

Originally Posted by: Sussex snow magnet 


 


Well, there has been virtually no change round here for weeks. On most of the lanes you can walk down the middle and hardly have to move out of the way, and then more often for cyclists.


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Caz
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02 May 2020 19:50:43


Well, there has been virtually no change round here for weeks. On most of the lanes you can walk down the middle and hardly have to move out of the way, and then more often for cyclists.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

There have been times when I’ve heard traffic and thought it was on the increase, but then it occurred to me that I notice it more now because it’s unusual to hear it.  When we first locked down it stopped suddenly and was noticeable by its absence.  Now it’s noticeable by its presence!  So it may be more to do with what we perceive as normal. If you see what I mean!


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Roger Parsons
02 May 2020 20:05:19


There have been times when I’ve heard traffic and thought it was on the increase, but then it occurred to me that I notice it more now because it’s unusual to hear it.  When we first locked down it stopped suddenly and was noticeable by its absence.  Now it’s noticeable by its presence!  So it may be more to do with what we perceive as normal. If you see what I mean!


Originally Posted by: Caz 


Here the traffic is mostly commercial - vans and HGVs - agricultural - and emergency, as we have a fire station - with a few plonkers in high performance cars - often well beyond their capability. Lincolnshire has dreadful RTC statistics. No buses at present. One of our cars will need a battery charge - that's how much we have been using it - and I think we are fairly typical - but there are cyclists everywhere.


Roger


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Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.
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Gavin D
02 May 2020 20:16:29

Italy



  • 1,900 new cases 

  • 474 new deaths 


France



  • 1,050 new cases 

  • 166 new deaths

John p
02 May 2020 20:52:52


Italy



  • 1,900 new cases 

  • 474 new deaths 


France



  • 1,050 new cases 

  • 166 new deaths


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Still high death figures in Italy even now 


Camberley, Surrey
Sevendust
02 May 2020 21:01:28

Tajikistan reported it's first 15 cases yesterday. Today a further 61 cases and first 2 deaths. Interesting how this appeared so suddenly.

Ulric
02 May 2020 21:05:27


The government may well be telling trusts not to buy PPE and it makes sense because the government are paying for it out of central funds.  They have paid the company I work for to make and deliver PPE at no cost to the NHS trusts themselves!  


Originally Posted by: Caz 


No, it doesn't make sense.


Do you remember the short debate on here a few weeks back about the inability of trusts to buy PPE even when it was available? I suggested back then that HMG was preventing them from providing their staff with proper PPE and that turns out to have been true.


Just think through the implications of that. What are trusts for? They have budgets and huge administrative departments to manage them yet they aren't allowed to buy PPE without direct approval from government. Haven't we been told that Trusts were all about dismantling vast centralised bureaucracy and letting regions manage their own budgets? Now, it turns out that HMG has arranged purchasing itself and "at no cost to the NHS trusts". Hey presto, all the taxpayer money goes to the "right" place and no oversight.


Honestly, what do you really think is going on?


To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
Ulric
02 May 2020 21:07:07


 


Still high death figures in Italy even now 


Originally Posted by: John p 


This has got a while to run yet.


To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
fairweather
02 May 2020 21:26:48

Johnson has given his first proper interview. It does now appear that it was genuinely touch and go and that even a statement regarding his death and a contingency had been prepared. I was one of the people who was skeptical about that at the time but it looks as though I was wrong and regret implying that it had been overplayed, although I don't think the Government were prepared to let on; Seeing how his deputies have performed I can see why.


I  still have an inkling that he will come through this a better person and a better father. I really hope so.


S.Essex, 42m ASL
Phil G
02 May 2020 21:27:24


 


Still high death figures in Italy even now 


Originally Posted by: John p 


The way figures have been altered, reworked, restated, included this, excluded that, weekend data, delays in reporting deaths etc, I wouldn't take one days data in isolation. Not just making excuses, it seems countries data isn't comparing apples with apples as they say. See how Italy 'plays out' in the next few days.


On country's data, the Russian death data is totally out of sync with other countries data which more or less follow the same curves. Steadily rising they have just under 10k new cases each day now but deaths have fallen the last three days to 53. That is good if real, but with those images of 9 hour ambulance queues for hospitals, ministers going down with the virus like flies, I strongly suspect there is also a cover up here and just waiting for someone there to let the cat out of the bag.

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