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Justin W
06 May 2020 10:54:10


 


I believe it was 42k to April 24th and 52k as of yesterday. The point still stands though


Originally Posted by: Chidog 


Yes my mistake


 


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Gooner
06 May 2020 10:54:51




Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Funny how China aren't there - If any country has fudged the figures THEY HAVE 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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Banbury
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Quantum
06 May 2020 11:11:08

Apparantely the UK is ahead of Italy when it comes to releasing the full death stats. UK total deaths represents mortality where COVID was involved up until Mid April. Italy has only covered March. There are suggestions by ONS, and yes they will obviously blow their own horn, that we are ahead of other European countries when it comes to the stats.


I'd also add we are the most densley populated 'large' country in Europe so a high death toll is not that suprising.


 


While mistakes have been made its far too early to claim we are the worst in Europe. In particular I find it hard to understand how we could be given that our health service has not been overwhelmed as it has been across Europe (particularly Lombardy).


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xioni2
06 May 2020 11:11:42


 Excess deaths at 52,000 up to April 24. The death toll in the UK will eventually be north of 100,000. I have no idea whether that will be the highest in Europe but it is pretty clear it will be near the top of the table.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


My sister was telling me that the lockdown in Greece has actually resulted in fewer deaths than normal, probably because of the lack of accidents and because they didn't cancel hospital operations.

westv
06 May 2020 11:14:57

Will the Sunday briefing give details of how the lockdown will be reduced + how long the current lockdown will go on for until the next review or will it just be the former?


At least it will be mild!
Gavin D
06 May 2020 11:17:53


Will the Sunday briefing give details of how the lockdown will be reduced + how long the current lockdown will go on for until the next review or will it just be the former?


Originally Posted by: westv 


 


Sunday will be an address to the nation from Boris. I suspect we'll get a proper timetable.


 


Ikea must have an idea given all stores are reopening in just 12-days time

Phil G
06 May 2020 11:18:05


 


Funny how China aren't there - If any country has fudged the figures THEY HAVE 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


They suddenly reported 50% extra deaths to what they had 2-3 weeks back. The locals said there were a lot more than that! Seems to be certain regimes are not very open for one reason or another. Come to think of it, we revised our death figure also! I am not getting too hung up about stats as they seem to be under constant revision. Russia is an exception though, 'thoroughly understated'.

fairweather
06 May 2020 11:19:38


 


I put the same countries on my favourite graph of population adjusted deaths.


https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-covid-deaths-per-million-7-day-average?country=BEL+FRA+ESP+GBR+USA+IRL+PRT+CHE+SGP+ITA


 


We're top of the shop on deaths but supposedly doing OK on cases?


 


Originally Posted by: Ulric 


Per capita is a step forward but without numbers tested being factored in they are still pretty meaningless. In the end I think the relative increase in excess deaths in percent will be the best comparison between Countries although I am fairly certain we will be near the top of that league as well :-(


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Gavin D
06 May 2020 11:22:57
Boris: “I bitterly regret the coronavirus epidemic in care homes. It is an ambition to reach 200,000 coronavirus tests per day by the end of this month”
Maunder Minimum
06 May 2020 11:23:28

Don't know whether this has been posted previously, but evidence of virus mutation and its effects here:


https://metro.co.uk/2020/05/06/europe-hit-coronavirus-mutation-spread-much-quickly-12660321/


 


New world order coming.
Gavin D
06 May 2020 11:24:18
Some measures that Boris will announce in his address to the nation on Sunday will come in to effect on Monday
fairweather
06 May 2020 11:29:49


I wish Russia would let 'their little secret' out of the bag as to why they have such a low death rate compared to cases.
Today's new cases 10,559
New deaths 86

One would say they are being a bit 'economical' with the truth on reporting deaths. Or perhaps the way they process deaths on the books takes 1-2 months perhaps!

Remember those images a few weeks back of ambulances in jams queueing for 9 hours just to admit patients. That's when the new cases figure was much lower around 4k.

Ministers going down with the virus like flies, over 100 doctors and nurses dying with some influential ones also managing to fall out of windows.

Just waiting for a massive story to be leaked by someone over there just how really bad it is, and the cover up.


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


Yes, it's a joke. Sad that we have the three most powerful Nations in the World being run by the three most subversive and corrupt governments in the world at the same time. How's your luck!


S.Essex, 42m ASL
Phil G
06 May 2020 11:34:58


 


Yes, it's a joke. Sad that we have the three most powerful Nations in the World being run by the three most subversive and corrupt governments in the world at the same time. How's your luck!


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


There is a trend there!

fairweather
06 May 2020 11:38:24


 


FWIW I don't disagree with you in any way John; I guess I was trying to be too diplomatic when I described it as an error of judgement.


What I think we can agree on for sure is that both Ferguson and Calderwood acted very irresponsibly, to put it mildly, when they failed to adhere to the same lockdown rules that they were both instrumental in helping the UK and Scottish governments to put in place in March. That's what cost Calderwood her job as CMO for Scotland a few weeks back.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


Their logic and judgement was fine scientifically. They knew they wouldn't increase the transmission by their actions. Their moral judgement and perceptive judgement was hopeless. He helped write the rules and they were kept simple because they knew that clear messages work better then having acceptable get out clauses. To not understand that you have to accept them in the same way as everybody else is pretty dumb. People who are in love or been drinking shouldn't be allowed to make big decisions!


S.Essex, 42m ASL
springsunshine
06 May 2020 11:39:28

Some measures that Boris will announce in his address to the nation on Sunday will come in to effect on Monday

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


I would bloody kiss him if he says we can go fishing again as from Monday ! 

fairweather
06 May 2020 11:40:08




Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


You can add Russia and soon Belarus to that list.


And the answer is ....... Populist Governments !


S.Essex, 42m ASL
Quantum
06 May 2020 11:43:01

I've ranted quite alot about journalists over the last few weeks with poor quality, shock style gotcha content. However I want to recommend this from Sky news.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNiAUPREkl8


 


This is an excellent analysis of the UK death toll for COVID 19. This is the sort of thing that I would like to see much more of. Dispassionate, informative yet also easy to understand analysis.


 


Please watch this video, explains why the UK may have an inflated death toll relative to other European countries.


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29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)
2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.
18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)
2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Phil G
06 May 2020 11:48:41


I've ranted quite alot about journalists over the last few weeks with poor quality, shock style gotcha content. However I want to recommend this from Sky news.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNiAUPREkl8


 


This is an excellent analysis of the UK death toll for COVID 19. This is the sort of thing that I would like to see much more of. Dispassionate, informative yet also easy to understand analysis.


 


Please watch this video, explains why the UK may have an inflated death toll relative to other European countries.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Seems various groups are 'accountable' to others. Who is scrutinising the media, or can they just publish what they jolly well like!

Quantum
06 May 2020 11:52:01


 


Seems various groups are 'accountable' to others. Who is scrutinising the media, or can they just publish what they jolly well like!


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


I'm a believer in the free press and self regulation. In other words if someone says something stupid I will call them out on it.


The problem is that tech company monopolies mean independent journalism has been stifiled in the digital age.


If I was going to rectify the situation I would not increase regulation on the media but I would break up tech firms like Twitter, Google, Facebook e.c.t. who, control the market, and use deboosting algorithms to control content (like publishers).


 


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18/11 (-6), 19/11 (-6), 23/11 (-2)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)
2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.
18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)
2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
fairweather
06 May 2020 11:52:35


 


I would bloody kiss him if he says we can go fishing again as from Monday ! 


Originally Posted by: springsunshine 


Ludicrous that you can't now but as I said in another thread I think they wanted clear messages with no exceptions irrespective of the logic. If they had put in exclusion rules they would have been bent. Who reads the small print?


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Phil G
06 May 2020 12:01:07


 


I would bloody kiss him if he says we can go fishing again as from Monday ! 


Originally Posted by: springsunshine 


Or look at it this way. Those fish should be bloody hungry not having truck loads of bait put into lakes. You will be pulling them out by the skip load. When does the fishing season end by the way!

fairweather
06 May 2020 12:09:17


I've ranted quite alot about journalists over the last few weeks with poor quality, shock style gotcha content. However I want to recommend this from Sky news.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNiAUPREkl8


 


This is an excellent analysis of the UK death toll for COVID 19. This is the sort of thing that I would like to see much more of. Dispassionate, informative yet also easy to understand analysis.


 


Please watch this video, explains why the UK may have an inflated death toll relative to other European countries.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


I found it poor and riddled with confirmational bias. First of all dividing by the population is stating "the bleedin'" obvious, as if we hadn't thought of that. Then the X scale lines were drawn with perspective and not horizontally. This made the bar graph relatively lower towards the left. A well known trick to exaggerate an element of a data set  The UK bar looks like half of Belgium when it fact it is 60%. He seemed to have an agenda using words like "some people are fixated on us having a higher death rate than Italy" I agree that excess deaths is a good measure but again until all the data is in the picture will not be clear.


S.Essex, 42m ASL
Bugglesgate
06 May 2020 12:13:02


 


Or look at it this way. Those fish should be bloody hungry not having truck loads of bait put into lakes. You will be pulling them out by the skip load. When does the fishing season end by the way!


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


 


The current coarse fishing close season on rivers, some canals and some stillwaters starts on 15 March and finishes on 15 June. There’s no close season on most canals and most stillwaters.


........ at the moment !


REF: https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/coarse-fishing-close-season-on-english-rivers


 


Chris (It,its)
Between Newbury and Basingstoke
"When they are giving you their all, some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy banging your heart against some mad buggers wall"
Northern Sky
06 May 2020 12:18:16


Don't know whether this has been posted previously, but evidence of virus mutation and its effects here:


https://metro.co.uk/2020/05/06/europe-hit-coronavirus-mutation-spread-much-quickly-12660321/


 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1257825352660877313


Trevor Bedford with a measured look at this. Seems to be a case of 'we're not sure but needs monitoring'. Not more deadly btw but more transmissible.

Gavin D
06 May 2020 12:35:34

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