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Caz
  • Caz
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06 May 2020 12:54:14


Or look at it this way. Those fish should be bloody hungry not having truck loads of bait put into lakes. You will be pulling them out by the skip load. When does the fishing season end by the way!


Originally Posted by: Phil G 

Ahh, not quite so!  Fish in lakes still have to be fed!  My son is taking his turn on a rota for maintenance and feeding fish in the lake he fishes.  His lake is syndicate owned and their annual membership pays for the fish food.  However, privately owned lakes will no doubt be struggling with costs as they rely on income from season and day tickets. 


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Gavin D
06 May 2020 13:12:31

NHS England has reported  331 new hospital deaths


Wales has reported 95 new cases and 21 new deaths


Scotland has reported 272 new cases and 83 new deaths


Northern Ireland has reported 53 new cases and 14 new deaths

Gavin D
06 May 2020 13:13:46

435 hospital deaths provisionally in the UK 


Previous Wednesdays



  • 610 on April 29th

  • 791 on April 22nd

  • 801 on April 15th

  • 936 on April 8th

Gavin D
06 May 2020 13:17:43

Breakdown of the 331 new hospital deaths in England by date



  • 54 on May 5th

  • 121 on May 4th

  • 28 on May 3rd

  • 28 on May 1st & 2nd

  • 84 in April

  • 16 in March with one on March 13th

Maunder Minimum
06 May 2020 13:23:33

From The Times:


"...


Yesterday Sir Patrick Vallance, the government’s chief scientific adviser, admitted that free travel into the UK before the lockdown in late March probably contributed to the outbreak, saying that genetic studies showed “we got imports from all over the place”.


..."


No sh1t Sherlock! Only three months late! Remember that I wrote to my MP on 7th February expressing concern about lack of port screening and free travel from infected areas, to which I received a shockingly complacent response from a Home Office Official: "At present, we do not intend to introduce port screening measures such as temperature checks, as the scientific advice suggests that they simply do not work."


 


New world order coming.
Gavin D
06 May 2020 13:32:51
The Bundesliga will resume without fans on May 15th or 22nd
Phil G
06 May 2020 13:34:35


NHS England has reported  331 new hospital deaths


Wales has reported 95 new cases and 21 new deaths


Scotland has reported 272 new cases and 83 new deaths


Northern Ireland has reported 53 new cases and 14 new deaths


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Hi Gavin, or anyone. Do you know where I can get a low level breakdown of daily new cases in England, maybe down to town level. I was going to try and see if there was some sort of pattern, anything which might suggest why we are still running c4k new cases each day. To me with such high infection rates still, any relaxing maybe quickly halted owing to this high base figure. We must get on top of this figure, or at least try to have an understanding what's driving it. It is still too high!

Gavin D
06 May 2020 13:38:11


 


Hi Gavin, or anyone. Do you know where I can get a low level breakdown of daily new cases in England, maybe down to town level. I was going to try and see if there was some sort of pattern, anything which might suggest why we are still running c4k new cases each day. To me with such high infection rates still, any relaxing maybe quickly halted owing to this high base figure. We must get on top of this figure, or at least try to have an understanding what's driving it. It is still too high!


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


 


You can get Upper Tier Local Authorities data on the Gov website. It usually updates late afternoon or early evening.


 


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

xioni2
06 May 2020 13:41:14


 Hi Gavin, or anyone. Do you know where I can get a low level breakdown of daily new cases in England, maybe down to town level. I was going to try and see if there was some sort of pattern, anything which might suggest why we are still running c4k new cases each day. To me with such high infection rates still, any relaxing maybe quickly halted owing to this high base figure. We must get on top of this figure, or at least try to have an understanding what's driving it. It is still too high!


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


This could be just my ignorant take on it, but I think the rather stable total number of new infections consists of 2 different sources: a gradually decreasing Pillar 1 infections (which IMO is more important and encouraging) and an increasing number of Pillar 2 infections, which reflects more the increasing number of tests. I agree however that there should be more clarity and focus on this.


 


 

JHutch
06 May 2020 13:43:29


From The Times:


"...


Yesterday Sir Patrick Vallance, the government’s chief scientific adviser, admitted that free travel into the UK before the lockdown in late March probably contributed to the outbreak, saying that genetic studies showed “we got imports from all over the place”.


..."


No sh1t Sherlock! Only three months late! Remember that I wrote to my MP on 7th February expressing concern about lack of port screening and free travel from infected areas, to which I received a shockingly complacent response from a Home Office Official: "At present, we do not intend to introduce port screening measures such as temperature checks, as the scientific advice suggests that they simply do not work."


 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Believe it or not, Yvette Cooper is your woman! She is trying to find out what the evidence was and why the decisions were taken. No evidence has yet been provided despite Hancock saying two weeks ago that he would provide it. I guess he and the rest of the government are busy at the moment but hopefully they will be able release this evidence soon. (the tweet below starts off a short thread including Vallance's contribution yesterday)


 



Caz
  • Caz
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06 May 2020 13:47:20


From The Times:


"...


Yesterday Sir Patrick Vallance, the government’s chief scientific adviser, admitted that free travel into the UK before the lockdown in late March probably contributed to the outbreak, saying that genetic studies showed “we got imports from all over the place”.


..."


No sh1t Sherlock! Only three months late! Remember that I wrote to my MP on 7th February expressing concern about lack of port screening and free travel from infected areas, to which I received a shockingly complacent response from a Home Office Official: "At present, we do not intend to introduce port screening measures such as temperature checks, as the scientific advice suggests that they simply do not work."


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

I remember that!  It was the day I returned from a cruise, where every Asian port we disembarked had a temperature screening procedure.   When we returned to Birmingham airport, there was nothing.  The reasoning behind not doing it here was that people who were asymptomatic would be missed, which is fair enough, but anyone with symptoms would have been caught. 


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xioni2
06 May 2020 13:47:38


 Believe it or not, Yvette Cooper is your woman! She is trying to find out what the evidence was and why the decisions were taken. No evidence has yet been provided despite Hancock saying two weeks ago that he would provide it. I guess he and the rest of the government are busy at the moment but hopefully they will be able release this evidence soon. (the tweet below starts off a short thread including Vallance's contribution yesterday)


 

Originally Posted by: JHutch 


We were also told at the time (mid-March)  that there is no scientific evidence that banning mass events makes a difference. They never provided any evidence or source for this and almost everything suggests that mass events accelerate epidemics.


 

Phil G
06 May 2020 13:48:14


 


 


You can get Upper Tier Local Authorities data on the Gov website. It usually updates late afternoon or early evening.


 


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Great, thanks. Does it provide historical data on these as well, or just the latest. Thanks

Maunder Minimum
06 May 2020 13:59:42


I remember that!  It was the day I returned from a cruise, where every Asian port we disembarked had a temperature screening procedure.   When we returned to Birmingham airport, there was nothing.  The reasoning behind not doing it here was that people who were asymptomatic would be missed, which is fair enough, but anyone with symptoms would have been caught. 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


Hi Caz - yes, it was partly your experience which prompted me to write to my MP about the lack of UK port screening - "no point" was the eventual response to that, yet now they are suddenly in favour of the idea - the full article in The Times:


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/coronavirus-heathrow-airport-to-introduce-temperature-scanners-kr2hbf58t


"Heathrow will introduce temperature scanners in terminals within two weeks as part of its lockdown exit plan, it was announced today.


..."


This in my mind is the real scandal, rather than all the froth about PPE and ICU beds - if (as an island nation) we had taken early and prompt measures of border control, we may have been able to control the spread of the virus via the existing testing, track and trace operations which were in place until it got out of control.


 


New world order coming.
Darren S
06 May 2020 14:01:49


 


Great, thanks. Does it provide historical data on these as well, or just the latest. Thanks


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


This provides historical data per local authority area (scroll all the way down)
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-uk-tracker-how-many-cases-are-in-your-area-updated-daily-11956258


This does so in a more graphical way, but unfortunately they seem to have recently broken the ability to see the numbers change in each area other than with a colour on the map.
https://www.covidlive.co.uk/


As I've been saying for some time, about a month ago London boroughs filled all Top 15 spaces and 27 out of the top 29 (by cases per head of population). Now areas in the North East make up 4 of the Top 5, and northern locations 7 of the top 10. In short the NW and NE is now where the outbreak is gathering pace.


Darren
Crowthorne, Berks (87m asl)
South Berks Winter Snow Depth Totals:
2023/24 0 cm; 2022/23 7 cm; 2021/22 1 cm; 2020/21 13 cm; 2019/20 0 cm; 2018/19 14 cm; 2017/18 23 cm; 2016/17 0 cm; 2015/16 0.5 cm; 2014/15 3.5 cm; 2013/14 0 cm; 2012/13 22 cm; 2011/12 7 cm; 2010/11 6 cm; 2009/10 51 cm
xioni2
06 May 2020 14:03:56


 This in my mind is the real scandal, rather than all the froth about PPE and ICU beds - if (as an island nation) we had taken early and prompt measures of border control, we may have been able to control the spread of the virus via the existing testing, track and trace operations which were in place until it got out of control.


 

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


I'd say 'probably', instead of 'may', there are many countries which have done exactly this. The only caveat is that we are a transport hub with a highly mobile population, but still it was probably a mistake.

Heavy Weather 2013
06 May 2020 14:18:40


 


We were also told at the time (mid-March)  that there is no scientific evidence that banning mass events makes a difference. They never provided any evidence or source for this and almost everything suggests that mass events accelerate epidemics.


 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


What I find strange is that all through this horrific journey we’ve been constantly told we were following the science.


We didn’t ban mass events because the science said you didn’t need to.


We didn’t screen passengers because the science said we didn’t need to.


Yet other countries did. Our scientists are now coming out of the woodwork and saying this and that they should have been. 


Why did our science determine these events should or actions continue while other countries determined otherwise. It really does beg the question whether the politicians were ignoring the advise or the scientists we have just aren’t up to the job. It’s seemed very obvious to most on here at the time that screening and a ban on mass gatherings were obvious.


Mark
Beckton, E London
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The Beast from the East
06 May 2020 14:22:27


 


I would bloody kiss him if he says we can go fishing again as from Monday ! 


Originally Posted by: springsunshine 


Are you blonde with big tits?


Only way you would be allowed near him


"We have some alternative facts for you"
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Heavy Weather 2013
06 May 2020 14:25:21
I don’t know how to post specific tweets so please forgive me.

https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern 

This gentlemen has a graph seven tweets in that has UK deaths by day.

It really makes for horrific I reading.

It shows over 1000 deaths a day in the UK from 07-17 April 2020.

It also shows the peak on the 08 April of 1413.

What an horrific stat. If suspect the shock and horror of that number being reported daily (if we were able to do so at the time) would have sent a far bigger shock around the country.
Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Phil G
06 May 2020 14:28:28


 


This provides historical data per local authority area (scroll all the way down)
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-uk-tracker-how-many-cases-are-in-your-area-updated-daily-11956258


This does so in a more graphical way, but unfortunately they seem to have recently broken the ability to see the numbers change in each area other than with a colour on the map.
https://www.covidlive.co.uk/


As I've been saying for some time, about a month ago London boroughs filled all Top 15 spaces and 27 out of the top 29 (by cases per head of population). Now areas in the North East make up 4 of the Top 5, and northern locations 7 of the top 10. In short the NW and NE is now where the outbreak is gathering pace.


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


Thanks Darren

The Beast from the East
06 May 2020 14:29:26


 


Believe it or not, Yvette Cooper is your woman! She is trying to find out what the evidence was and why the decisions were taken. No evidence has yet been provided despite Hancock saying two weeks ago that he would provide it. I guess he and the rest of the government are busy at the moment but hopefully they will be able release this evidence soon. (the tweet below starts off a short thread including Vallance's contribution yesterday)


 




Originally Posted by: JHutch 


Incredible


Just imagine if a Labour govt had done this, the howls of outrage in the press would be deafening, yet we have open borders to the virus, not just back in Feb, BUT NOW! 


Instead you have Farage worried about a few starving Syrian war refugees trying to come over on rubber dingies


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Maunder Minimum
06 May 2020 14:30:04

On the topic of actual deaths, rather than official figures, there is some insight coming out of Italy now as per the below from The Times:


"...


A study has shown that the country’s real Covid-19 death rate could be nearly twice the official tally. Italy’s national health institute said that the country’s total death toll between February 20 — the date of Italy’s first case — and March 31 was 25,000 higher than the average for that time of the year. During that period Italy had 13,700 official virus deaths, suggesting that more than 11,000 may have gone uncounted.


..."


Here:


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/italian-workers-swap-coronavirus-lockdown-for-lockout-9sz2snhg5


 


New world order coming.
Maunder Minimum
06 May 2020 14:32:00


Instead you have Farage worried about a few starving Syrian war refugees trying to come over on rubber dingies


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


They are not "Syrian war refugees", they are illegal migrants trying to invade from Calais. Of those who make it, hardly any are actually from a war zone and pretty well none are from Syria.


But on the wider topic - I have averred from the outset that we should have had border controls to counter COVID-19.


P.S. If they are starving, that is their own bloody fault - if they were prepared to register in France, Belgium, Holland or Germany, they would be looked after!!!!!!


 


New world order coming.
Heavy Weather 2013
06 May 2020 14:33:08

The Bundesliga will resume without fans on May 15th or 22nd

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


It was I understand originally penned in for 08 May 2020. There is clearly some caution and nervousness there and understandably so.


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Chichesterweatherfan2
06 May 2020 14:39:07


 


They are not "Syrian war refugees", they are illegal migrants trying to invade from Calais. Of those who make it, hardly any are actually from a war zone and pretty well none are from Syria.


But on the wider topic - I have averred from the outset that we should have had border controls to counter COVID-19.


P.S. If they are starving, that is their own bloody fault - if they were prepared to register in France, Belgium, Holland or Germany, they would be looked after!!!!!!


 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


 


ah...good to see, Maunder that your compassionate side is coming  to the fore!!  I just wish I could teleport you into one of those camps in northern  France or in Lesbos just for a few days so you could hear some of the stories, the human tide of misery and desperation of folk who have lost EVERTYTHING to escape a war zone or to try to start a new life somewhere else that offers just the possibility of some hope....

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