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Quantum
07 May 2020 08:24:58

If I had complete control of the contact tracing App I would do a much better job (because I would just tell a company that actually knows what they are doing to run it).


If COVID has taught us anything its that people like Dominic cummings who wanted to tear down the Oxford PPErocracy have gone nowhere near far enough.


 

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ozone_aurora
07 May 2020 08:26:04

Hi Folks,

How does one clean plastic/note type cash (i.e, £5, £10). Do you just wipe it with something like meths or dip it in hot water (if it does not damage the cash)?


For coins, I just heat them under the grill.


Got to give some cash today to the food deliverer today (but with no social contact-just leaving it on the porch).

Quantum
07 May 2020 08:26:56


 


Do you think that Dom's mates float to the top of the list of NHS approved suppliers by accident?


Originally Posted by: Ulric 



Honestly you really should hope that your imaginary Cummings nepotism turns out to be real this time. Because dominic cummings's mate or a single 16 year old autistic prodigy could do a better job than the NHS.


 

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Quantum
07 May 2020 08:28:53


Hi Folks,

How does one clean plastic/note type cash (i.e, £5, £10). Do you just wipe it with something like meths or dip it in hot water (if it does not damage the cash)?


For coins, I just heat them under the grill.


Got to give some cash today to the food deliverer today (but with no social contact-just leaving it on the porch).


Originally Posted by: ozone_aurora 


Warm soappy water and rinse should be fine. The detergent breaks down the lipid coating of the virus and the water rinses it away. The heat also helps, the virus can survive mere minutes if the temp is above about 65C.


Also another thing you could do is wait for a week before using.


 


Wipes are okay if you go with high alcohol (especially ethanol) but probably not as good as the above method.


 

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18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)
2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
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SJV
07 May 2020 08:29:11


Hi Folks,

How does one clean plastic/note type cash (i.e, £5, £10). Do you just wipe it with something like meths or dip it in hot water (if it does not damage the cash)?


For coins, I just heat them under the grill.


Got to give some cash today to the food deliverer today (but with no social contact-just leaving it on the porch).


Originally Posted by: ozone_aurora 


I'll pm you. Post it over to me and I'll take care of it for you 

Phil G
07 May 2020 08:29:36


 


It does worry me that we are about to lift our restrictions with 6,000 daily cases still being reported. Seems mad to me.


The problem with a 'seeing the worst' type outlook is we live in a country where that scenario is perhaps more likely to happen!  Because we didn't prepare for the worst, we are now dealing with a national catastrophe with open borders, the worst death toll in Europe and a 6k daily infection rate 


Originally Posted by: SJV 


Quite agree Steve and we haven't even got on top of the constant 4k or so before that. We needed to understand what was driving that which may have helped with future decision making. With any relaxations, we are already starting from such a high base number our new cases will very quickly take off, perhaps worse than before.

llamedos
07 May 2020 08:30:14


 


I'll pm you. Post it over to me and I'll take care of it for you 


Originally Posted by: SJV 

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Ulric
07 May 2020 08:30:15


Given the bugs being reported and the rumours the entire thing is being abandoned, it has to be the NHS.


The only thing the NHS does worse than Healthcare is everything else.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


The NHS doesn't get much control over how it procures these things. Diktats are passed down from Tufton Street and the NHS does what it is told because it doesn't have a choice.


Witness the PPE debacle. Who sold off our stockpile in the run-up to lockdown? Who prevented Trusts from purchasing PPE, insisting that they used the Government arrangements? Who refused to participate in the EU purchasing arrangements?


None of these things can be laid at the door of the NHS, they are all government actions commanded by unelected advisors.

To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
Justin W
07 May 2020 08:32:26


And JustinW made the point that the NHS didn't draw up the contract, they actually built the App themselves.


I mean Christ, while getting the NHS to draw up a private contract is like putting a chimp in charge of air traffic control, the NHS actually building the App themselves is like giving a Chimp a fleet of Apache helicopters and the 'rise of the Apes' DVD.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


No it didn’t build the app. Do you have a condition which makes you post rubbish?


It was built by VMWare Portal.

Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
The Beast from the East
07 May 2020 08:32:36


 


The only thing the NHS does worse than Healthcare is everything else.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Not a fan of the NHS are you?


You do rather bluntly outline HMG's next plan of attack. Attempt to blame the NHS and try to privatise it.

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Quantum
07 May 2020 08:33:26


 


The NHS doesn't get much control over how it procures these things. Diktats are passed down from Tufton Street and the NHS does what it is told because it doesn't have a choice.


Witness the PPE debacle. Who sold off our stockpile in the run-up to lockdown? Who prevented Trusts from purchasing PPE, insisting that they used the Government arrangements? Who refused to participate in the EU purchasing arrangements?


None of these things can be laid at the door of the NHS, they are all government actions commanded by unelected advisors.


Originally Posted by: Ulric 


Oh please, you honestly think the Government has control over the NHS. All the govt can do is broad policy, and due to the culture it cannot overhaul anything. The day to day micromanagment and implementation is all the NHS. You think the Tory government would sack the 80k a year 'diversity officers' with liberal arts degrees from 3rd tier former polytechnics if it could?


And the PPE is about flux not supply. The watering can was full but the nozzle didn't let enough through. You try to expand the infrastructure to get PPE supply to healthworkers by 1000% in less than a month and tell me you don't run into any issues.


 

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The Beast from the East
07 May 2020 08:34:21


 


Do you have a condition which makes you post rubbish?


 


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Its called being a member of the Young Conservatives

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Justin W
07 May 2020 08:34:35


Of course when this App fails the government will get the blame for it.


And no one will point out the Government is only at fault because it trusted the NHS with an IT project despite the fact every IT project the NHS has ever had anything to do with has turned into a raging dumpster fire. Although of course had the government just gone with Apple or Niantic in the first place everyone would have been like "privatizing the NHS! Corbyn was right" e.c.t.


Its ridiculous. The tories think the NHS is perfect when its clearly one of the worst in the developed world, and Labour think everything will be solved if you throw enough money at it. And the fact that the government is now throwing the most money at the NHS in its entire history will do nothing to convince anyone that maybe the NHS is the problem.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


You post so much cr4p when you go into your manic phase that it is hard to keep up. Bilge from top to bottom

Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Lionel Hutz
07 May 2020 08:34:51


This is apparently the 5 stage plan that will be announced by Sunday.



Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Similar to our road map. However, I do wonder about the merit of scheduling for as far away as August or September. After all, things could be very much better or worse by then. 


One priority that I don't see being stressed very often is the need to get general medical services back to normal: 


https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0507/1136928-covid-19-cancer/


 

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The Beast from the East
07 May 2020 08:35:47


 


Oh please, you honestly think the Government has control over the NHS?


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Keep drinking the Kool Aid


If you do end up catching Covid, remember to blame Gordon Brown


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Hippydave
07 May 2020 08:36:12

Interesting piece from the BBC

Originally Posted by: speckledjim 

">https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52543692


Be interesting to get people's views on this to see who says what depending on their support for the lockdown.


The article pretty much matches my thoughts so I'm naturally in agreement with it. When you look at the stats for the vast majority of the population lockdown is unnecessary and bizarre, particularly when you look at the risks we all face every day from illness/disease etc. BUT it's clearly a very different matter for those with underlying health conditions and those over 70. 


I'm also strongly in favour of the message that there's a lack of perspective on this illness, with it having been portrayed as deadly for all, which again isn't the case. Now if you're on my side of the fence you'd question why we've exaggerated the dangers and gone in for mass population control (with a dangled carrot of a miracle cure coming soon folks!) but I'm very aware my opinions are colouring my view of the situation. 


IMO there's a natural and understandable tendency to take anything new that poses a risk and reminds us of our own mortality and back away. That's a hard wired evolutionary trait after all. It's also natural to worry about our loved ones, both related and of the friend variety. The trouble to me is that whilst natural you need to be able to look at the wider picture to get some understanding of whether the risks to you and yours are worse than the risks you accept without batting an eyelid and the way this pandemic has been handled and reported hasn't allowed that to happen. There's a lot of very intelligent people, both on this forum and in society in general who have presumably either decided that the risk is much higher than the evidence shows it is or who are just focussing on the virus with no attempt to look at it in context, and that confuses me. Again, I'm willing to accept my opinions mean I'm looking at this in a different way and whilst I obviously think my views are correct, I may be wrong!


 

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Quantum
07 May 2020 08:36:41


 


Not a fan of the NHS are you?


You do rather bluntly outline HMG's next plan of attack. Attempt to blame the NHS and try to privatise it.


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


If I was in charge that's what I'd do (although your characturization of 'privatize' is much too simple, I'd have a Germany/France style system).


But I'm not and the Tories will not do that.


They will claim the NHS is a sucess as usual and do nothing to change it. Labour will bleat about how the biggest cash injection in the history of the NHS is still not enough and everything will continue on as normal. The Americans would have abandoned their cowboy gun addictions before we abandon our addiction to the church of the NHS.


 


Heres a hint, ever since the inception the NHS has always been 'underfunded' no matter if the government was red or blue. Explain that.

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Ulric
07 May 2020 08:37:56


Not a fan of the NHS are you?


You do rather bluntly outline HMG's next plan of attack. Attempt to blame the NHS and try to privatise it.


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Don't forget that Q thinks public healthcare = communism, and communism is BAD.

To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
Saint Snow
07 May 2020 08:38:19


 


No it didn’t build the app. Do you have a condition which makes you post rubbish?


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


 


I'm guessing a long-standing one.


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Quantum
07 May 2020 08:39:09


 


You post so much cr4p when you go into your manic phase that it is hard to keep up. Bilge from top to bottom


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


What do you take issue with?


 


I need know nothing about the App itself to confidently make the prediction that the more the NHS has to do with the App the more likely it is to fail. And I can be so confident in this prediction because the NHS has never had an IT sucess.

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Quantum
07 May 2020 08:40:49


 


Don't forget that Q thinks public healthcare = communism, and communism is BAD.


Originally Posted by: Ulric 



Ah that old chesnut.


'The only two systems are the US and the UK. There is literally no other way of doing things, the NHS is the only possible model of public healthcare'

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The Beast from the East
07 May 2020 08:42:29

Another sage offering from the Chairman of the Tory party


 



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"We have some alternative facts for you"

Kelly-Ann Conway - former special adviser to the President
The Beast from the East
07 May 2020 08:44:50

Purley, Surrey, 70m ASL

"We have some alternative facts for you"

Kelly-Ann Conway - former special adviser to the President
Sevendust
07 May 2020 08:46:27


Don't forget that Q thinks public healthcare = communism, and communism is BAD.


Originally Posted by: Ulric 


LOL


Unfortunately Q is on his meltdown cycle again this morning.


Meanwhile it will be fascinating to see how this "easing" plays out


Case numbers are indeed high but doubtless down to increased testing


Even so, despite the effect that the measures have had on death rates and the historical data caveat, there are a lot of people still dying so it will be interesting ( if a tad morbid) to see how the next few weeks go


Salutory lessons learned so far would be that lock down should have come a lot earlier and borders should have been tightened or closed. Many lives have been lost as a result of those failures but I don't envy any government having to deal with what has happened as no one is truly out of the woods yet whilst there remains no vaccine 


 

Justin W
07 May 2020 08:49:24


 


What do you take issue with?


 


I need know nothing about the App itself to confidently make the prediction that the more the NHS has to do with the App the more likely it is to fail. And I can be so confident in this prediction because the NHS has never had an IT sucess.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


That is also bollox. Spine has been successful 

Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?

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