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four
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07 May 2020 10:58:49


 


It seems so obvious and relatively easy. The tracing they should be doing is finding out how all these cases are getting it. Because as sure as hell it isn't people obeying the lockdown. Once you've got the profile of where the weak links are that's where the strictest measures can be applied. Now clearly that won't be easy if it is front line workers but you still can't have a sensible strategy until you know.


If me and Phil can see it why can't the Government or its Scientists? Sometimes you just wish you could be at the Press Conference and ask the question.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 

It won't ever be eradicated, it probably isn't desirable to even try - so not much point devoting huge resources to all that.


Brian Gaze
07 May 2020 10:59:57


It won't ever be eradicated, it probably isn't desirable to even try - so not much point devoting huge resources to all that.


Originally Posted by: four 


Indeed. Tim Martin has offered to serve it up in pint glasses.


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Maunder Minimum
07 May 2020 11:03:45


 


Until we have widespread antibody testing it will be impossible to know whether this is correct and / or what are the implications. I still don't know why the UK government hasn't got the antibody testing programme rolling yet. Is it purely down to incompetence or is lack of resources and capacity holding us back?


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


As I understand it from articles I have read, the issue was that there was no antibody test which met the required reliability standard (minimising false positives or false negatives).


According to the latest information, an antibody test supplied by Roche has now been selected as having the required reliability and this will be purchased for the desired purpose. I shall check for related articles.


Here you go:


https://www.med-technews.com/news/roche-s-covid-19-antibody-test-approved-for-use-in-the-uk/


 


New world order coming.
Retron
07 May 2020 11:08:48


 


The problem with articles like this is that it does not provide any analysis of how many people are having no issues with the vouchers.


If 5% have issues, that is a great shame for those affected, but it does not amount to a systemic issue.


If 50% have issues, then there is a systemic problem which needs to be addressed urgently.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


No reported issues at my school, which has ~25% of its 1650 pupils getting the vouchers.


 


Leysdown, north Kent
Retron
07 May 2020 11:11:19


 


Until we have widespread antibody testing it will be impossible to know whether this is correct and / or what are the implications. I still don't know why the UK government hasn't got the antibody testing programme rolling yet. Is it purely down to incompetence or is lack of resources and capacity holding us back?


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I genuinely have no idea on why they're dithering so much.


Given that Abbott and Roche have the CE-marked kits available - and you can eaily buy one yourself - you do have to wonder why the gov't isn't moving with haste towards rolling them out.


IMO they should be treating antibody testing with the same urgency as testing for Covid-19 itself.


Leysdown, north Kent
Maunder Minimum
07 May 2020 11:18:26


 


I genuinely have no idea on why they're dithering so much.


Given that Abbott and Roche have the CE-marked kits available - and you can eaily buy one yourself - you do have to wonder why the gov't isn't moving with haste towards rolling them out.


IMO they should be treating antibody testing with the same urgency as testing for Covid-19 itself.


Originally Posted by: Retron 


PHE/NHS are incredibly slow and that problem needs to be looked at when the inquest into what should have been done better is opened.


However, the Roche test has been approved now and will be rolled out:


https://www.med-technews.com/news/roche-s-covid-19-antibody-test-approved-for-use-in-the-uk/


 


New world order coming.
Gavin D
07 May 2020 11:21:40
Boris Johnson will address the nation at 19:00 on Sunday where he's expected to announce his plans to ease the lockdown
Chichesterweatherfan2
07 May 2020 11:36:52


 


The problem with articles like this is that it does not provide any analysis of how many people are having no issues with the vouchers.


If 5% have issues, that is a great shame for those affected, but it does not amount to a systemic issue.


If 50% have issues, then there is a systemic problem which needs to be addressed urgently.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


 


A bit like the Windrush scandal, eh, MM?  Just a shame if you happened to be one of those illegally deported from the UK and now unable to return to see your family? Hey Ho... never mind....

speckledjim
07 May 2020 11:45:09


 


Our positive tests are increasing 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


The rate is decreasing


Thorner, West Yorkshire


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Brian Gaze
07 May 2020 11:54:28


 


I genuinely have no idea on why they're dithering so much.


Given that Abbott and Roche have the CE-marked kits available - and you can eaily buy one yourself - you do have to wonder why the gov't isn't moving with haste towards rolling them out.


IMO they should be treating antibody testing with the same urgency as testing for Covid-19 itself.


Originally Posted by: Retron 


Indeed. To quote Black Adder, the government / NHS / PHE (strike out according to your view) we appear to have moved no further than an asthmatic ant. 


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westv
07 May 2020 11:56:25

Jimmy Kranky suggests no change to lockdown in Scotland. I wonder what would happen if the rest of the UK deviates?


At least it will be mild!
four
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07 May 2020 12:03:23


 


No reported issues at my school, which has ~25% of its 1650 pupils getting the vouchers.


 


Originally Posted by: Retron 


So not widespread, and the bare cupboard shot will be a stock image.
BBC agenda on display again


Retron
07 May 2020 12:08:42



So not widespread, and the bare cupboard shot will be a stock image.
BBC agenda on display again


Originally Posted by: four 


The way it works at my school (can't speak for the others) is that the parents sign into a website and are given a voucher code to use (on line), or they can get paper vouchers sent to them. The ones I've seen are pretty generic gift voucher codes, they can be spent on anything (even DVDs!)


There's a Facebook group that's been set up by parents at my school and believe me, if anything goes wrong you hear all about it on there. (It's a public group, so you don't need a Facebook account to see it).


Leysdown, north Kent
Gooner
07 May 2020 12:18:37


This is apparently the 5 stage plan that will be announced by Sunday.



Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


I just don't see how phase 4 for is doable 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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Gooner
07 May 2020 12:19:58


 


The rate is decreasing


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


Less tests yesterday and more + cases I believe ?


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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Gavin D
07 May 2020 12:20:16


Nicola Sturgeon has announced Scotland's lockdown "must be extended" 




Quote

 


The coronavirus lockdown "must be extended" in Scotland and easing any restrictions would be "very, very risky", Nicola Sturgeon has announced. The first minister said she would prefer all four UK nations to keep the same rules and only change them in tandem - after Boris Johnson said he wants to "get going" on plans to slightly reduce restrictions in England.


But she did say she is considering allowing people in Scotland to exercise outdoors more than once a day. A further 59 people are confirmed to have died in Scotland with COVID-19 - taking the total to 1,762. Ahead of an expected address by the prime minister to the nation on Sunday, Ms Sturgeon said she would "not be pressured into lifting restrictions prematurely before I am as certain as I can be that we will not be risking a resurgence" of infections.


"If the prime minister decides that he wants to move at a faster pace for England than I consider is right for Scotland that is of course his right," she told journalists at the daily briefing in Edinburgh. "I will respect that and I will not criticise him for doing that."


 





https://news.sky.com/story/scotland-lockdown-must-be-extended-easing-it-very-risky-sturgeon-says-11984609


Phil G
07 May 2020 12:20:48

Boris Johnson will address the nation at 19:00 on Sunday where he's expected to announce his plans to ease the lockdown

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


We'll already know what he is going to say as it will all be leaked by then. Suits me. Gives Joe Public time to absorb each measure as it is known. Too much to digest all in one go if it all came out together.

fairweather
07 May 2020 12:26:23

On a different tack I find that some Companies are hiding behind this crisis to give poor customer service. It's an easy excuse to use. My three year lease is up on my car and I should have a number of financial options. I've been phoning, emailing and asking questions on their website for six weeks. Finally after a very threatening email from me and four days before the end of the agreement I get a reply. It didn't answer one specific question and said - sorry, you had to apply for the extension to finance three weeks ago! I'd been requesting details of that for six weeks!


As far as I understand car sales are down so they should be less busy than usual. Showrooms are definitely shut so that's another busy daily communication they haven't got. When it started they said they were still operating but some staff were working from home. (More like skiving at home!). They never once answered the "vulnerable" hot line or any of the options and the line just went dead after ringing a few times. It was only a phone and online service before anyway.


I'm afraid the Corona virus has become a convenient excuse for some. 


S.Essex, 42m ASL
speckledjim
07 May 2020 12:34:58


 


Less tests yesterday and more + cases I believe ?


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


But it is trending downwards, you can’t just look at one day in isolation. If that changes then I’m fully on board in extending the lockdown.


Thorner, West Yorkshire


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Saint Snow
07 May 2020 12:41:47



So not widespread, and the bare cupboard shot will be a stock image.
BBC agenda on display again


Originally Posted by: four 


 


Your forelock-tugging defence of the Tories is as comical as it is predictable. You're like Maunder with a less girly growl.


 


 



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Phil G
07 May 2020 12:42:57


 


But it is trending downwards, you can’t just look at one day in isolation. If that changes then I’m fully on board in extending the lockdown.


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


New cases have been running at around 4 thousand since early April. This is still too high. Again, we need to find out what is driving this figure so at least we can try and address it.


With such a high infection rate number, the base number is so big we'll very quickly be in lockdown mode again, and it'll be worse as well.

Gandalf The White
07 May 2020 12:46:06


 


What politics, there is no political capital to be gained by critisizing the NHS which has a 98% public approval last I checked.


The contact tracing app should have nothing to do with the NHS. It should come from a tech firm that knows what they are doing.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


You misunderstand the point. I was referring to your apparent fixation with outsourcing to the private sector, when it should be obvious that such a blanket approach is flawed.


Your second sentence is just a repeat of your previous nonsense.


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Maunder Minimum
07 May 2020 12:49:54


Your forelock-tugging defence of the Tories is as comical as it is predictable. You're like Maunder with a less girly growl.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


How about looking at this issue dispassionately and without an anti-Tory rant? Whilst individual failures are depressing for those affected, in a large system it is the statistical numbers which are significant. You deal with the corner cases when they arise, but if a system is working for 95%, then there is not that much wrong with it. This is why I get cross with anecdotal evidence being weaponised against a whole approach for political reasons.


Journalists should do the leg work and research to see if whether a problem is a systemic issue or not, rather than emoting that Gladys from Wrexham has a problem - so she might have, but that does not mean the general approach is invalid.


 


New world order coming.
noodle doodle
07 May 2020 12:53:09


 


How about looking at this issue dispassionately and without an anti-Tory rant? Whilst individual failures are depressing for those affected, in a large system it is the statistical numbers which are significant. You deal with the corner cases when they arise, but if a system is working for 95%, then there is not that much wrong with it. This is why I get cross with anecdotal evidence being weaponised against a whole approach for political reasons.


Journalists should do the leg work and research to see if whether a problem is a systemic issue or not, rather than emoting that Gladys from Wrexham has a problem - so she might have, but that does not mean the general approach is invalid.


 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


 


If 5% of parachutes failed or 5% of medicines didn't work it would be a systemic issue


 


 

SJV
07 May 2020 12:55:36


 


 


Your forelock-tugging defence of the Tories is as comical as it is predictable.


 


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Indeed. Don't expect any response though.


It's a different world up in the moors 🙄

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