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fairweather
08 May 2020 09:22:05


 


If a slot was created for incompetence in the Guinness Book of Records, these incumbents would walk it!


Originally Posted by: John Mason 


Yes, but in true Trumpland style most of the plebs think the Government is doing a great job !


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Justin W
08 May 2020 09:24:37


The media seem to be accountable to no one, that's the problem. It seems the only time this happens is if someone has challenged them in court over a story, but in the meantime they can destroy that person. How often they report things for days on end which aren't true, but when they should be holding their hands up apologising, they just move on.
While freedom of speech is good on the most part, I feel the media have too freer role. In the updates they hang on every word. Peston was like a vulture when the guy mentioned green shoots. Others alongside knew that wasn't words you should be feeding the gutter press and tried to focus on our current precarious position. Didn't stop them using them words though. Absolute vultures and they cannot be trusted.


Someone should be calling the press out. They should not be exempt from scrutiny. Perhaps it would clean up their act somewhat. Write factual things instead of maybe's and could's.


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


On the contrary. The journalists at the briefings are way too supine and let HMG get away with giving the impression it is doing a good job in difficult circumstances.


No difficult questions are asked. All they ever want to know about is when the lockdown is going to end, FFS. And yet more than 50,000 people have died because this government has f4cked this up so badly.


I despair of some of my colleagues. Peston is the worst - he actually said "it's good to have you back, Prime Minister" when Johnson took his first briefing after recovering from CV19.


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
four
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08 May 2020 09:30:11


 


 


I despair of some of my colleagues. Peston is the worst - he actually said "it's good to have you back, Prime Minister" when Johnson took his first briefing after recovering from CV19.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Isn't that simply being polite.
Would you rather he said we wish you had died but I see you're back.


Joe Bloggs
08 May 2020 09:32:09

There are two main narratives on my Facebook feed at the moment...


One of which is that the Government are doing a terrible job and their failings are responsible for many deaths. 


Another very prominent narrative is that the media are the problem, and are consistently being too critical of the Government, who are actually handling a very difficult situation relatively well.


The relationship between our political system, the media, and crucially - social media channels, through Brexit and now this crisis is fascinating. 


I honestly think HMG are going to get away with any apparent failings. The left wing media and associated commentary is now the bad guy according to many. 


Here are a couple of examples of posts I’ve encountered over the past 48 hours .. 


https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10157475088334682&set=a.10151963272369682&type=3


https://www.facebook.com/658774210/posts/10157449046349211/?d=n


 


 



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four
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08 May 2020 09:32:13


 


I completely agree, Peter.


For all that the government has handled this crisis really, really badly from the outset, many sections of the media, including some BBC journalists IMO, have hardly helped matters either with their repeated questions recently regarding the easing of the lockdown.


Like everyone, I fully realise that there will come a point when we will have to try to restart the economy in some way. At the moment though, the situation in terms of the battle against the virus is still far too precarious for any of the restrictions to be lifted at this time, in my opinion.


If we have made some more meaningful progress against the virus by the time we reach the end of this month and the early part of June, then maybe things might change. It is too early at the moment though.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 



Unfortunately it is not within the power of Government to make people immortal.


Phil G
08 May 2020 09:37:25


 


On the contrary. The journalists at the briefings are way too supine and let HMG get away with giving the impression it is doing a good job in difficult circumstances.


No difficult questions are asked. All they ever want to know about is when the lockdown is going to end, FFS. And yet more than 50,000 people have died because this government has f4cked this up so badly.


I despair of some of my colleagues. Peston is the worst - he actually said "it's good to have you back, Prime Minister" when Johnson took his first briefing after recovering from CV19.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


I think that should be the job of the opposition to call out the govt in live q&a's. Truth is how things are in these daily updates, we wouldn't miss the press's contribution, they just want someone to slip up. The govt has slipped into defence mode. All we want to hear are the numbers, what we should or shouldn't be doing, and wait patiently for instructions how to get out of this thing. Just keep it simple. With too much flying around, it only has created more noise on everything with too many voices.

Justin W
08 May 2020 09:40:15


 


I think that should be the job of the opposition to call out the govt in live q&a's. Truth is how things are in these daily updates, we wouldn't miss the press's contribution, they just want someone to slip up. The govt has slipped into defence mode. All we want to hear are the numbers, what we should or shouldn't be doing, and wait patiently for instructions how to get out of this thing. Just keep it simple. With too much flying around, it only has created more noise on everything with too many voices.


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


The press is there to hold power to account. Particularly when those who hold power are incompetent and deceitful. 


You would probably be better off living somewhere fluffy like China where the media is there to parrot the official line and issue instructions to the masses.


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Ulric
08 May 2020 09:42:41


There are two main narratives on my Facebook feed at the moment...


One of which is that the Government are doing a terrible job and their failings are responsible for many deaths. 


Another very prominent narrative is that the media are the problem, and are consistently being too critical of the Government, who are actually handling a very difficult situation relatively well.


The relationship between our political system and the media through Brexit and now this crisis is fascinating. 


I honestly think HMG are going to get away with any apparent failings. The left wing media and associated commentary is now the bad guy according to many. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


It is complete paradox.


The government has to be seen to be taking action to contain and mitigate the effects of the virus but by threatening the NHS, closing the borders, destroying the economy and getting rid of the old, the sick, the poor and ethnic minorities, the virus is actually fulfilling policy aims and delivering on manifesto pledges.


Do we actually need the government any more? We could get, "what we voted for", by letting covid-19 run the country.


PS. It's even creating internal borders within the Union.


https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scots-cops-ready-turn-away-21993410


 


To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
Phil G
08 May 2020 09:46:10


 


The press is there to hold power to account. Particularly when those who hold power are incompetent and deceitful. 


You would probably be better off living somewhere fluffy like China where the media is there to parrot the official line and issue instructions to the masses.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


If they are there to 'hold power to account', it seems they are not qualified, not capable of doing that so whose benefit is it them being there. Theirs? Are they running the country?

picturesareme
08 May 2020 09:53:47


 


On the contrary. The journalists at the briefings are way too supine and let HMG get away with giving the impression it is doing a good job in difficult circumstances.


No difficult questions are asked. All they ever want to know about is when the lockdown is going to end, FFS. And yet more than 50,000 people have died because this government has f4cked this up so badly.


I despair of some of my colleagues. Peston is the worst - he actually said "it's good to have you back, Prime Minister" when Johnson took his first briefing after recovering from CV19.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


50,000? Can't even get the figures right, classic British journalism. 


Most journalists are biast agenda driven..  especially the press and those news stations that rely upon advertisements, and big businesses for money to operate!

Justin W
08 May 2020 09:55:55


 


50,000? Can't even get the figures right, classic British journalism. 


Most journalists are biast agenda driven..  especially the press and those news stations that rely upon advertisements, and big businesses for money to operate!


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


Go and look at the ONS figures for excess deaths before you start spouting your usual drivel


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
picturesareme
08 May 2020 09:57:09


 


Go and look at the ONS figures for excess deaths before you start spouting your usual drivel


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


You lay blame of 50,000 deaths on the government- that's drivel


 

Roger Parsons
08 May 2020 10:02:04


It is complete paradox.


The government has to be seen to be taking action to contain and mitigate the effects of the virus but by threatening the NHS, closing the borders, destroying the economy and getting rid of the old, the sick, the poor and ethnic minorities, the virus is actually fulfilling policy aims and delivering on manifesto pledges.


Do we actually need the government any more? We could get, "what we voted for", by letting covid-19 run the country.


Originally Posted by: Ulric 


I agree with the sense of both your comments - but I think that something deeper underlies all this. Without being too wordy about it, we have 2 schools of thought that are fundamentally incompatible. Science is a quest which owes everything to what has gone before, standing on the "Shoulders of Giants", and accepts that all knowledge is subject to review, error, discovery and change. Thus the mind set of every scientist is, or should be humility and willingness to change their mind on better evidence and understanding.


The politician and the journalist are good for each other, because the adversarial atmosphere in which they thrive acts as a counterbalance, so sometimes they can be right. However, they are both "Gnostics" in the sense that they believe in their policies or perspectives as Fact and, despite what they say, they always think they know best and the other side is wrong. They tend not to do "humility" and never feel, as a sane scientist should, that a fair critic is your best ally. They are just plain "wrong".


The Yogi and the Commissar (1945) is a collection of essays of Arthur Koestler, exploring why people of belief [The Yogis] and people of objectivity [The Commissars] don't even speak the same language and their concepts are as mutually repellent as oil and water.


In his book "The Black Cloud" (1957) Astronomer Sir Fred Hoyle explores that same idea in his splendid science fiction romp. Still a good read.


Koestler is a bit heavier going!


You can spend the rest of your life trying to reconcile the two sides - good luck.


Roger


 


RogerP
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Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.
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SJV
08 May 2020 10:30:51


 


You lay blame of 50,000 deaths on the government- that's drivel


 


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


I'm certainly proportioning much of the blame in their direction. Something about being slow to react, relaxed attitude to border control, a criminal lack of protection for NHS workers, increasingly mixed messages to a bewildered public, manipulation of scientific data...


 

Heavy Weather 2013
08 May 2020 10:34:09


 


I'm certainly proportioning much of the blame in their direction. Something about being slow to react, relaxed attitude to border control, a criminal lack of protection for NHS workers, increasingly mixed messages to a bewildered public, manipulation of scientific data...


 


Originally Posted by: SJV 


Also allowing Cheltenham, Stereophonics and the Liverpool match to go ahead. I wonder if their will ever be a study on those events. It’s clear that there was a massive surge in cases soon after.


The government has been next to useless. 


Mark
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Phil G
08 May 2020 10:38:23


 


Also allowing Cheltenham, Stereophonics and the Liverpool match to go ahead. I wonder if their will ever be a study on those events. It’s clear that there was a massive surge in cases soon after.


The government has been next to useless. 


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Although changing on a daily basis, I understood at that time the advice then was outdoors was okay, inside wasn't until it changed swiftly after. Who said it was okay still at that time?

Northern Sky
08 May 2020 10:56:11


 


Although changing on a daily basis, I understood at that time the advice then was outdoors was okay, inside wasn't until it changed swiftly after. Who said it was okay still at that time?


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


Thousands of people packed together, shouting and singing. Who would've thought that could spread an airborne, highly contagious virus?

Gandalf The White
08 May 2020 11:02:59



Isn't that simply being polite.
Would you rather he said we wish you had died but I see you're back.


Originally Posted by: four 


Is your world really just binary?


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westv
08 May 2020 11:13:59


 


Is your world really just binary?


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


But what would you say to someone who'd recently been in an ICU?


At least it will be mild!
Phil G
08 May 2020 11:14:49


 


Thousands of people packed together, shouting and singing. Who would've thought that could spread an airborne, highly contagious virus?


Originally Posted by: Northern Sky 


Yes bonkers to think now.

xioni2
08 May 2020 11:22:38


There are two main narratives on my Facebook feed at the moment...


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


 


You are lucky not to have the eugenic angle in your feed:


 




westv
08 May 2020 11:26:17


 


 


You are lucky not to have the eugenic angle in your feed:


 





Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Slightly similar to those that are always calling for a "reset" - whatever that's supposed to entail.


At least it will be mild!
Gandalf The White
08 May 2020 11:31:07


 


But what would you say to someone who'd recently been in an ICU?


Originally Posted by: westv 


That wasn't the point behind my comment.  Four offered two options, one of which was typically crass and insensitive.


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Gandalf The White
08 May 2020 11:33:16


 


Slightly similar to those that are always calling for a "reset" - whatever that's supposed to entail.


Originally Posted by: westv 


I think that's a stretch - those calling for a 'reset' would probably expect 10% as a minimum.


But this isn't the place for another bout on the subject of Malthus.


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JHutch
08 May 2020 11:50:24

The Welsh relaxing is the following - apparently the English measures will be similar


 



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