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DEW
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09 May 2020 05:09:18

News footage yesterday didn't look like sociall distancing - or was that just a trick of the camera?

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Brian Gaze
09 May 2020 05:19:02

As others said in the last thread yesterday was a debacle and anyone wanting to visit the UK right now should be quarantined on mental health grounds. 

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Heavy Weather 2013
09 May 2020 05:28:20
On the 04 May. IDS:

‘It’s time to unlock the lockdown and trust the sense of the British People’

This aged badly.

Why is it always IDS harping on about ending lockdown. I wonder what major investments he has in big business?
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Ulric
09 May 2020 05:55:07

Why is it always IDS harping on about ending lockdown. I wonder what major investments he has in big business?

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Is he Opus Dei? That would account for his apparent disdain for humanity.

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Ulric
09 May 2020 06:03:18
On R4 just now they said that people arriving in the UK will not be quarantined but simply, "Asked to self-isolate".

Not really the same thing is it?
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Bugglesgate
09 May 2020 06:09:11

On R4 just now they said that people arriving in the UK will not be quarantined but simply, "Asked to self-isolate".

Not really the same thing is it?

Originally Posted by: Ulric 


Sounds weak and pointless !


If Govt. isn't taking this seriously, how the hell do they expect anyone else to ?


I despair, I really do ! 

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Justin W
09 May 2020 06:09:57

On R4 just now they said that people arriving in the UK will not be quarantined but simply, "Asked to self-isolate".

Not really the same thing is it?

Originally Posted by: Ulric 


It is the old Tory trick of trying to divert attention from their own ineptitude by making it all about furriners. Just witness how our dear Maunder cannot bring himself to acknowledge the catastrophic insouciance towards life of his party but just bangs on and on about how the only mistake was not closing our borders.

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Ulric
09 May 2020 06:33:40
Poland has postponed it's presidential election.
https://www.france24.com/en/20200506-poland-postpones-may-10-presidential-election-over-covid-19-fears 

How long before our lot spot the opportunity being presented here? They've previously struggled to find excuses to end democracy in the UK, only succeeding in limited cases, but I'm sure the effective policy implementation being carried out by covid-19 will not be lost on them.
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Ulric
09 May 2020 06:40:29

This is egregious.


 



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Lionel Hutz
09 May 2020 06:40:58


 


Sounds weak and pointless !


If Govt. isn't taking this seriously, how the hell do they expect anyone else to ?


I despair, I really do ! 


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


I have to say that this is one difference between our government and yours. In Ireland, we haven't managed this virus half as well as some here like to think. However, one thing that our government here has managed to do is to keep sending out one consistent message. Obviously, that alone isn't any kind of panacea by itself. However, it does at least help in getting the public to follow the medical aadvice. It's remarkable that a one party government can't seem to quite agree on such a vital matter. 

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doctormog
09 May 2020 06:45:03

On R4 just now they said that people arriving in the UK will not be quarantined but simply, "Asked to self-isolate".

Not really the same thing is it?

Originally Posted by: Ulric 


What did you expect, locking people up?

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Ulric
09 May 2020 06:56:48


What did you expect, locking people up?


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


The point is that the language used creates an image in the readers mind and is intended to make it seem as if the proposed measures will be more effective than they really are. "Quarantine" as a word, has certain implications which are not matched by some weak measure relying on the whims of random individuals.


The impression people will get is that the government has taken tangible action to ensure our safety when the reality is that they have carefully and deliberately passed responsibility to the individual and done precisely sweet FA.


It is a perfect example of the Libertarian ethos which drives this government.

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Caz
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09 May 2020 07:04:24

On R4 just now they said that people arriving in the UK will not be quarantined but simply, "Asked to self-isolate".

Not really the same thing is it?

Originally Posted by: Ulric 

That’s exactly the same as it was at the beginning of February when I returned from holiday. 

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four
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09 May 2020 07:08:34


 


What did you expect, locking people up?


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Well there are all those cruise ships doing nothing.
We could put the cross channel illegals in one of those with any other arrivals for a month or so.

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Ulric
09 May 2020 07:12:43



Well there are all those cruise ships doing nothing.
We could put the cross channel illegals in one of those with any other arrivals for a month or so.


Originally Posted by: four 


Would be cheaper to isolate them on remote farms in the North Yorkshire Moors.

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llamedos
09 May 2020 07:22:01



Well there are all those cruise ships doing nothing.
We could put the cross channel illegals in one of those with any other arrivals for a month or so.


Originally Posted by: four 

I thought most of those were parked up in the Philippines.

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doctormog
09 May 2020 07:22:52


 


The point is that the language used creates an image in the readers mind and is intended to make it seem as if the proposed measures will be more effective than they really are. "Quarantine" as a word, has certain implications which are not matched by some weak measure relying on the whims of random individuals.


The impression people will get is that the government has taken tangible action to ensure our safety when the reality is that they have carefully and deliberately passed responsibility to the individual and done precisely sweet FA.


It is a perfect example of the Libertarian ethos which drives this government.


Originally Posted by: Ulric 


The point is that it is basically quarantine not a sinister Libertarian plot. 

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lanky
09 May 2020 07:31:39


 


The point is that it is basically quarantine not a sinister Libertarian plot. 


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


sshh - you're spoiling the story

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Richmond, Surrey
Gandalf The White
09 May 2020 07:42:46


 


It is the old Tory trick of trying to divert attention from their own ineptitude by making it all about furriners. Just witness how our dear Maunder cannot bring himself to acknowledge the catastrophic insouciance towards life of his party but just bangs on and on about how the only mistake was not closing our borders.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Quite.


But what I find totally bizarre is why they think this is needed now if it wasn’t deemed necessary back in January?


The lurches in policy are inexplicable and undermine what little credibility the government has.


Some interesting extremes in views chatting (from 2 metres+) with friends in the village over the last couple of days. One or two thinking the government has done quite well but others saying it’s been a disaster and a shambles.

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Lionel Hutz
09 May 2020 07:43:17


 


The point is that it is basically quarantine not a sinister Libertarian plot. 


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


But is it quarantine if it's entirely voluntary? Obviously, nobody's talking about locking people up, but you could have measures to take details of people arriving in the country, recording their proposed address and having the possibility of having these people visited by a health official during the two week quarantine period. 


I'm not sure that it's such a big issue at the moment given that there's little international travel. However, if Ireland was mainly virus free in the coming weeks while the disease was very active elsewhere, I would want our government to have some method of tracking people entering the country. 

Lionel Hutz
Nr.Waterford , S E Ireland
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four
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09 May 2020 07:43:27
Brendan O'Neill insightful as usual
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/05/06/what-neil-fergusons-booty-call-tells-us-about-modern-politics/ 


The speed with which Ferguson’s models – mere models, remember – were transformed into a kind of Biblical writ, a revelation of doom, was extraordinary. I had that number of 500,000 thrown in my face during media discussions about the lockdown. Anyone who questioned the wisdom of the lockdown, or merely suggested it should be very brief, would find themselves being battered by Ferguson’s figures. Almost overnight it became tantamount to blasphemy to question these models. Again, this wasn’t Ferguson’s doing. It was the political class’s dodging of moral responsibility for tackling Covid without destroying the economy, and the media’s searing intolerance towards anyone who questioned the lockdown



Also lockdown fanatics - spot on:
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/05/08/lockdown-fanatics-scare-me-far-more-than-covid-19/ 
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Justin W
09 May 2020 07:46:29

Brendan O'Neill insightful as usual
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/05/06/what-neil-fergusons-booty-call-tells-us-about-modern-politics/



Also lockdown fanatics - spot on:
Originally Posted by: four 

">https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/05/08/lockdown-fanatics-scare-me-far-more-than-covid-19/


And yet the conservative ONS estimates suggest that by last week, the death toll had reached 10% of Ferguson's worst-case scenario with a lockdown. 


 

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doctormog
09 May 2020 07:49:33


 


But is it quarantine if it's entirely voluntary? Obviously, nobody's talking about locking people up, but you could have measures to take details of people arriving in the country, recording their proposed address and having the possibility of having these people visited by a health official during the two week quarantine period. 


I'm not sure that it's such a big issue at the moment given that there's little international travel. However, if Ireland was mainly virus free in the coming weeks while the disease was very active elsewhere, I would want our government to have some method of tracking people entering the country. 


Originally Posted by: Lionel Hutz 


It is no more voluntary than any other legally enforceable action surely? With spot checks, fines and the threat of deportation I am not sure it is “voluntary”?


Re. Taking addresses etc. I believe that is exactly what is being proposed.

Aberdeen
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The Beast from the East
09 May 2020 07:55:28


 


 


Some interesting extremes in views chatting (from 2 metres+) with friends in the village over the last couple of days. One or two thinking the government has done quite well but others saying it’s been a disaster and a shambles.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


I would bet my bottom dollar that the ones saying they've done well are Brexit supporters?

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Ulric
09 May 2020 07:57:23


The point is that it is basically quarantine not a sinister Libertarian plot. 


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Central tenets of policy are not a plot.


They are however, sinister and Libertarian.

To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré

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