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Bertwhistle
10 May 2020 21:14:47


And our head will run it from home giving out orders with no risks 


 


 


 


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


Um...not sure if you realise the risks involved. Not sure also why you think heads 'give out orders'. Primary education is not the Wellingtonian military.


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Polar Low
10 May 2020 21:21:09

I did say our head last one was much better and much more supportive



 


Um...not sure if you realise the risks involved. Not sure also why you think heads 'give out orders'. Primary education is not the Wellingtonian military.


Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 

David M Porter
10 May 2020 21:23:47


 


I think he is bending to pressure from the right wing of the Tory Party.  And whilst talking about putting health first, his actions put business ahead of health.


Just as Boris was pressured by the likes of the mendacious Cummings to follow herd immunity and keep the economy going, thinking (wrongly) that Britannia would steal a march on those over-reacting Europeans, until their Damascean conversion on Thursday 12 March; they are now trying to get business going in construction and manufacturing before PPE, track  and trace, and testing are anywhere near where they should be.


The net effect will tragically be the same - thousands, possibly tens of thousands more deaths as a direct result of a government decision based on money rather than health.  A balance needs to be struck, but the Tories have again got this terribly wrong.


 


 


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


The government seem to have been going in circles ever since day one of this crisis.


My own considered view is that BJ is taking another massive gamble with what he said this evening. Like everyone I fully realise there will come a time when we will make to make some move to restart the economy, but I am far from convinced that we have yet reached that stage.


Yes, the number of infections and deaths each day and week has fallen a bit compared to a month or so ago, but my worry is that if restrictions are eased even slightly, it could (and IMHO likely will) lead to another surge in the number of new cases and deaths, rather like what we saw in late March and early-mid April. In my view, the lockdown which has been in place since 23rd March needs to remain in place until the much talked about "R" number is below 0.5 across the UK. Things are still far too precarious as they are.


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Gandalf The White
10 May 2020 21:25:40


 


Meant, Gandalf, in my slackening mental capacity, that it's not great to judge when we don't know how anyone else, given the circumstances, would have done better.


Nothing more sinister.


 


Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 


Thanks Bertie.


My perspective is that we should be looking at the best practice of leadership demonstrated by leaders of other countries with broadly similar socioeconomic circumstances.  On that measure the Johnson government comes up short of the best; I'd hope you would concur with that reasonable assessment.


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westv
10 May 2020 21:29:55

Surprised no mention of masks which I thought would be a gimme if travelling on public transport, especially during rush hour.

Originally Posted by: Phil G 


Presumably because the advice was to avoid PT if possible.


At least it will be mild!
Rob K
10 May 2020 21:30:14
I’m struggling to see what has actually changed. “Go to work unless you can work at home” has been the message since March! As far as I can see the only difference is that now an Arctic northerly has set in we will be allowed to sunbathe in parks.
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Gandalf The White
10 May 2020 21:31:07


 


What did people expect in an 8 minute speech? Seriously. 


It was an overview, an outline, nothing more and nothing less. The details will be fleshed out tomorrow as has been stated.


The people who need to return to work tomorrow will have been informed a while ago. Liaisons are ongoing between the government and affected businesses.


People who are confused by his address tonight are either nigh on braindead or wilfully ignorant.


We are all adults but it seems some people need their arses wiping for them and expect a personal itinerary of what they as an individual should be doing on a daily basis.


Originally Posted by: CreweCold 


That's all perfectly reasonable.   Until you allow for the fact that he delivered a speech on a Sunday evening suggesting people should go back to work tomorrow - unless I misheard what he said.


You simply can't have it both ways: if he was just delivering an 8-minute speech containing broad pointers then he shouldn't have been advocating people act on what he said tomorrow.  If he wanted to see changes in behaviour tomorrow then he should have made the speech on Friday morning.


 


Your final two sentences are not worthy of a rational response.


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Rob K
10 May 2020 21:32:32


Morrisons is cutting the price of unleaded to 99.7p per litre and diesel to 104.7p per litre from tomorrow morning as a thank you to key workers and other motorists making essential journeys.



Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Well whoopee. Remember the fuel protests when unleaded reached the unthinkable 80p a litre not very many years ago?


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westv
10 May 2020 21:35:12


 


Well whoopee. Remember the fuel protests when unleaded reached the unthinkable 80p a litre not very many years ago?


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


20 years I believe.


At least it will be mild!
Essan
10 May 2020 21:39:16

Surprised no mention of masks which I thought would be a gimme if travelling on public transport, especially during rush hour.

Originally Posted by: Phil G 



I was surprised about that, although of course we won't have all the details until tomorrow, so that may well be there.


As for travelling to work by public transport, I thought it was quite clear: yes, if you cannot work from home and you have no other means of getting to work.   But only if it is your only option.


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Phil G
10 May 2020 21:42:36


 


The government seem to have been going in circles ever since day one of this crisis.


My own considered view is that BJ is taking another massive gamble with what he said this evening. Like everyone I fully realise there will come a time when we will make to make some move to restart the economy, but I am far from convinced that we have yet reached that stage.


Yes, the number of infections and deaths each day and week has fallen a bit compared to a month or so ago, but my worry is that if restrictions are eased even slightly, it could (and IMHO likely will) lead to another surge in the number of new cases and deaths, rather like what we saw in late March and early-mid April. In my view, the lockdown which has been in place since 23rd March needs to remain in place until the much talked about "R" number is below 0.5 across the UK. Things are still far too precarious as they are.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


I agree with you David about things being in a precarious state right now. From such a high base number it won't take much to take us to defcon 5, or whatever it is. Something is responsible for the continued high infection figs, be it 4k each day or the 18k to 20k a day it might be? There surely can only be a few things it can be, supermarkets, public transport, other. In the last couple of weeks numbers in the north west and north east have increased apparently.


If the information for England was available, it would be good if someone could extract data down to postcode/town level to at least try to ascertain if the current high infection rates are completely nationwide, or if they are concentrated on a number of hotspots. 

CreweCold
10 May 2020 21:44:31


 


20 years I believe.


Originally Posted by: westv 


Yep, early autumn 2000 wasn't it?



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Polar Low
10 May 2020 21:47:16

Yes and now The tax on a full tanker load of petrol, duty and VAT, is over £26,000. However I don’t expect imo to fall much further unprecedented co-ordinated deal between Russia, Saudi Arabia and the United States to stabilise oil prices was agreed. The deal was also intended to indirectly help level off global financial markets.


 



 


Well whoopee. Remember the fuel protests when unleaded reached the unthinkable 80p a litre not very many years ago?


Originally Posted by: Rob K 

fairweather
10 May 2020 21:49:14


 


So should I be going back to work tomorrow if I don’t have a car?


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


I know it's possibly a theoretical question here, but I would say yes, in the sense that you are not breaking any instructions set by the Government - but of course it is almost forcing you to potentially breach the social distancing rules through no fault of your own. i.e If it was by tube for example you will have no control over the situation you find.


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fairweather
10 May 2020 21:56:11


 


It was members of your household not family. 


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


That's what I meant. Ever tried to get your wife to play golf with you  


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Chichesterweatherfan2
10 May 2020 22:00:18


 


So should I be going back to work tomorrow if I don’t have a car?


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


 


don’t ask questions like that...it was perfectly clear...just stay alert!

Phil G
10 May 2020 22:01:23


 


That's what I meant. Ever tried to get your wife to play golf with you  


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


At least with golf you can go around on your own. You don't need them. For tennis, you are pretty buggered unless you have a family member who is half decent and can hit the ball back.

fairweather
10 May 2020 22:01:43


 


So what exactly DO you want to see happen?


Originally Posted by: CreweCold 


A salient point that I have also asked from my left field viewpoint. Of course it got no response. But this is because nobody knows what is the BEST thing to do. Not you, not me not the Government. Who is prepared to come out and say that. I am. But is it reasonable to expect any Government to say that? I doubt it, despite it being the truth. 


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Ulric
10 May 2020 22:09:22


Yes and now The tax on a full tanker load of petrol, duty and VAT, is over £26,000. However I don’t expect imo to fall much further unprecedented co-ordinated deal between Russia, Saudi Arabia and the United States to stabilise oil prices was agreed. The deal was also intended to indirectly help level off global financial markets.


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


Where has that been reported?


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fairweather
10 May 2020 22:30:31

I would have liked to have seen some more specific strategic plans e.g like:-



  1. We are introducing an intensive antibody screening programme. It will take some time but we hope in 6-8  weeks time we will have enough data to extrapolate the number of people who have been infected in the UK

  2. We are sending a mandatory questionnaire form to every house in the Country to fill in if they have been tested positive or had symptoms. To state their employment status and how they think they may have been infected.

  3. We intend to continue the current lockdown procedure until we tell you specific stepwise changes to it. These will be issued at 7pm every Friday.

  4. We intend to closely monitor the effect on transmission in other Countries and make our changes based on the knowledge we have gained from them. This will give us the advantage of hindsight.

  5. Where mistakes have been made we will identify the reasons, learn from them and do our utmost to prevent them happening again in this outbreak and any future ones.


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westv
10 May 2020 22:40:19


 


Where has that been reported?


Originally Posted by: Ulric 


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52264546


 


At least it will be mild!
Bertwhistle
11 May 2020 04:05:29


 


Thanks Bertie.


My perspective is that we should be looking at the best practice of leadership demonstrated by leaders of other countries with broadly similar socioeconomic circumstances.  On that measure the Johnson government comes up short of the best; I'd hope you would concur with that reasonable assessment.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Yes, quite interested in NZ actually.


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