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Caz
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13 May 2020 15:51:50


Exactly Caz, some people need to just work this out what it really means. It's about being as safe as we can in the circumstances. After this period with the 2m measure, its sort of engrained now wherever or whatever place you find yourself in. That 2m has become your space. Enter it and it feels uncomfortable, it feels wrong. For those where it doesn't either means they haven't been out, or been applying it!


Just waiting for the new advice to come out now which says it should be 3m, then we'll all be buggered!


Originally Posted by: Phil G 

Oh now that would bugger it up!  


I think your post emphasises the most important thing.  Two metres!  That is the only thing that really matters, plus being out in the open. 


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llamedos
13 May 2020 15:55:22


Knowing how dodgy a large number of self employed traders are around here I hope these Government help schemes are extremely tightly monitored and hopefully even more strictly than the Universal Credit scheme. With their skill at avoiding tax and manipulating the system I would hate to think that some are working and claiming. Certainly the local builders/traders round here are still all working.


It is us tax payers who are and will be paying for these schemes, probably for years to come - it's not some generosity from the Government.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 

You can only claim from the self employed traders scheme if you've submitted your self assessment tax return by I believe 25th April.


Andy isn't getting a freebie anymore than furloughed employees are having 80% of their wages paid by the govt.


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Caz
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13 May 2020 15:57:05


Knowing how dodgy a large number of self employed traders are around here I hope these Government help schemes are extremely tightly monitored and hopefully even more strictly than the Universal Credit scheme. With their skill at avoiding tax and manipulating the system I would hate to think that some are working and claiming. Certainly the local builders/traders round here are still all working.


It is us tax payers who are and will be paying for these schemes, probably for years to come - it's not some generosity from the Government.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 

If I understand this correctly, the support for self employed relates to how much tax they paid the previous year, therefore how much of their earnings they’ve declared.  Those who are working on the side and claiming, won’t be declaring their earnings, so they’ll be stuffed if we get another outbreak next year!  


Edit - And what Llamy said.  ^^^


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Phil G
13 May 2020 16:00:52


Knowing how dodgy a large number of self employed traders are around here I hope these Government help schemes are extremely tightly monitored and hopefully even more strictly than the Universal Credit scheme. With their skill at avoiding tax and manipulating the system I would hate to think that some are working and claiming. Certainly the local builders/traders round here are still all working.


It is us tax payers who are and will be paying for these schemes, probably for years to come - it's not some generosity from the Government.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


Yes that's my sceptical feeling as well some are getting double bubble and don't mind this going on for as long as possible. Never seen so many trade vans going past our place. I also suspect when there were a lot less cars on the road, some drug dealers switched to these type of vans so they are not as easily spotted.

Hippydave
13 May 2020 16:01:55


You can only claim from the self employed traders scheme if you've submitted your self assessment tax return by I believe 25th April.


Andy isn't getting a freebie anymore than furloughed employees are having 80% of their wages paid by the govt.


Originally Posted by: llamedos 


Also as it's based on what you declare if you have done lots of cash in hand work etc. you'll only get paid for the limited amount you've declared through your books. I know someone who got caught by that, which I wasn't particularly sympathetic about.


 


EDIT - I see others made the same point before me!


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Gavin D
13 May 2020 16:07:35
11,327 in hospital down from 11,605 yesterday and down 15% from 13,273 last Wednesday
fairweather
13 May 2020 16:09:19


 


Also as it's based on what you declare if you have done lots of cash in hand work etc. you'll only get paid for the limited amount you've declared through your books. I know someone who got caught by that, which I wasn't particularly sympathetic about.


 


EDIT - I see others made the same point before me!


Originally Posted by: Hippydave 


From what has been said it sounds quite tight but presumably if it is based on last years tax return you could claim loss of earnings by getting paid in cash this year then getting that plus loss of earnings?


 


Edit. Should work quite well because like Trump they are not keen on HMRC poking around in their tax returns!


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llamedos
13 May 2020 16:23:27


 


From what has been said it sounds quite tight but presumably if it is based on last years tax return you could claim loss of earnings by getting paid in cash this year then getting that plus loss of earnings?


 


Edit. Should work quite well because like Trump they are not keen on HMRC poking around in their tax returns!


Originally Posted by: fairweather 

I imagine Revenue will be scrutinising 20/21 self-assessment returns more zealously than ever!


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Gavin D
13 May 2020 16:27:52

Daily slides


Social distancing. Changes in transport use



Testing and new cases



Hospital admissions



People in hospital



All settings deaths with a rolling 7-day average


Gavin D
13 May 2020 16:36:55

Regional data for new cases today in England


The 7 English regions 



  • London +44 (0.2%) 26,024

  • Midlands +208 (0.9%) 23,190

  • North West +187 (0.8%) 22,853

  • North East and Yorkshire +276 (1.3%) 21,908

  • South East +157 (0.8%) 19,606

  • East of England +188 (1.5%) 12,564

  • South West +63 (0.9%) 7,155


The 10 local areas with the highest cases



  1. Kent +25 (0.6%) 4,254

  2. Lancashire +48 (1.5%) 3,239

  3. Birmingham +30 (0.9%) 3,192

  4. Hampshire +38 (1.2%) 3,081

  5. Essex +32 (1.1%) 2,954

  6. Surrey +11 (0.4%) 2,774

  7. Hertfordshire +19 (0.7%) 2,660

  8. Sheffield +15 (0.6%) 2,419

  9. Cumbria +3 (0.1%) 2,118

  10. Staffordshire +16 (0.8%) 2,004


The 10 local areas with the lowest cases



  1. Rutland +1 (3.6%) 28

  2. North East Lincolnshire +2 (1.4%) 145

  3. Isle of Wight +1 (0.6%) 157

  4. Torbay +1 (0.5%) 211

  5. Bath and North East Somerset +1 (0.4%) 225

  6. Bracknell Forest 234 - No change

  7. Hartlepool +11 (4.5%) 245

  8. Windsor and Maidenhead 275 - No change

  9. Calderdale +2 (0.7%) 278

  10. Thurrock +2 (0.7%) 302

Gavin D
13 May 2020 16:37:59

Italy



  • 888 new cases

  • 195 new deaths

Brian Gaze
13 May 2020 16:48:23


Italy



  • 888 new cases

  • 195 new deaths


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Also worth watching closely. Are you able to include the previous day's data when you post other European countries! such as Italy?


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pfw
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13 May 2020 16:49:54

Apologies if anyone has linked this but an interesting article covering the fatality risk of COVID-19 if you are not already infected:


https://medium.com/wintoncentre/what-are-the-risks-of-covid-and-what-is-meant-by-the-risks-of-covid-c828695aea69


 


 


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Retron
13 May 2020 16:50:38


 


Also worth watching closely. Are you able to include the previous day's data when you post other European countries! such as Italy?


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


FWIW, Worldometer is still going and has a good graph of Italy's numbers.


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/


 


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Phil G
13 May 2020 16:51:46


 


Also worth watching closely. Are you able to include the previous day's data when you post other European countries! such as Italy?


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Do they also 'suffer' from our reporting where some days are notably lower, before rising again. Maybe compare the week before, or moving average.

Gooner
13 May 2020 17:14:46

Anyone got any up to date info on Germany's R value ?


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RobN
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13 May 2020 17:25:01


Anyone got any up to date info on Germany's R value ?


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Today's report not yet out. Here's yesterday's:


The current estimate is R= 0.94 (95% prediction interval: 0.79 - 1.10) and is based on electronically notified cases as of 12/05/2020, 12:00 AM. The estimate of the reproduction number R has been slightly above 1 in the last few days, which shows that the decline in the number of new cases we have observed in recent weeks has levelled off and may be reaching a plateau. So far we do not expect to see an increasing trend again. The slowdown in the decline in new cases is also related to local outbreaks, for example in the vicinity of slaughterhouses. Moreover, since case numbers in Germany are slowly decreasing overall, these outbreaks have a greater impact on the value of the reproduction number R than if total case numbers were higher. Overall, therefore, the development of the number of new cases must be observed in the next few days in order to rule out a merely temporary slowdown in the decline. Statistical uncertainties are represented by the prediction interval.


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Gooner
13 May 2020 17:26:01

So the teachers unions have told the Government they don't have to go along with their recommendations


 


Shut the gates and come back in September


 


I have just sent an e-mail to the school asking to see my daughters classroom when its judged to be ready for teaching


 


Interesting ! 


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Chidog
13 May 2020 17:42:18

Interesting that new cases in London have slowed to a trickle compared to the rest of the country. Maybe a combo of most people socially distancing responsibly and some kind of pseudo herd immunity amongst the rest? (Just a theory: say London Covid infection % was 10%, but amongst 80% who had been socially distancing it was 2% (1.6% of total population), but amongst 20% out and about it was 42% (8.4% of total population) would that give the 20% who haven't been in proper lockdown some kind of group immunity? also would suggest release of lockdown will lead to a rise in cases quite quickly in London

Polar Low
13 May 2020 17:43:29

Quite a few issues staff SD,PPE,  cleaning issues we can’t get enough decent reliable cleaner now


https://schoolsweek.co.uk/coronavirus-unions-urge-government-to-step-back-from-june-1-school-reopening-plan/


 


 



So the teachers unions have told the Government they don't have to go along with their recommendations


 


Shut the gates and come back in September


 


I have just sent an e-mail to the school asking to see my daughters classroom when its judged to be ready for teaching


 


Interesting ! 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 

speckledjim
13 May 2020 17:43:48


 


Also worth watching closely. Are you able to include the previous day's data when you post other European countries! such as Italy?


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


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fairweather
13 May 2020 17:45:38


Regional data for new cases today in England


 


The 10 local areas with the lowest cases



  1. Rutland +1 (3.6%) 28

  2. North East Lincolnshire +2 (1.4%) 145

  3. Isle of Wight +1 (0.6%) 157

  4. Torbay +1 (0.5%) 211

  5. Bath and North East Somerset +1 (0.4%) 225

  6. Bracknell Forest 234 - No change

  7. Hartlepool +11 (4.5%) 245

  8. Windsor and Maidenhead 275 - No change

  9. Calderdale +2 (0.7%) 278

  10. Thurrock +2 (0.7%) 302


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Looks like the app's not going to get much of a trial on the Isle of Wight


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Brian Gaze
13 May 2020 17:49:32

Another question I have is what has happened to the plans for social distancing on trains and buses? Last week the media was full of reports about limits of approx 15 people per train carriage being imposed by the government. Is that happening?


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bledur
13 May 2020 17:53:16


Completed my self employed income support application this afternoon - quick and easy and getting more of less what I expected. Should be in my account in a few days. I can drink again 


Originally Posted by: Essan 


 Cheers

Polar Low
13 May 2020 17:59:25

None proof pics of the day its all hot air and disappointing 


https://www.itv.com/news/2020-05-13/coronavirus-lockdown-eases-public-transport-crowds-tubes-trains-buses-tfl/


 


 



Another question I have is what has happened to the plans for social distancing on trains and buses? Last week the media was full of reports about limits of approx 15 people per train carriage being imposed by the government. Is that happening?


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

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