the flag shaggers coming out last Friday triggered  the end of lockdown in England. 

Its a free for all out there now.

Fell free to tell us what you think the costs and benefits of lock down was (is). I've made my views clear.

Indeed. The fat, teacher hating arsehole Nick Ferrari is also convinced that he already had it. I suspect he hasn't either. If he does get it, he will end up like Boris given his BMI

I thought that at first but Zoe Symptom tracker been showing that for three days now - not enough time for the "flag shaggers" to get the symptoms.

PS! Out of interest exactly how do you "shag a flag"

I was talking about me (in the third person, a bad sign)

The lack of pollution has been a massive plus out of a s**t situation - it's been very pleasant to ride around lately, the odd lunatic driving at excessive speed aside. That's sadly crumbling away now and the cynic in me suspects that for all the comments in the media about better air quality we'll stumble back to where we were and ignore the consequences.

I don't think I called you liberal, just that I suspect me and my liberal views are rather closer to your views than my views are to MMs A point he demonstrated very well when he linked to something from the Daily Mail.

... no, we have got the  ramp in R   due to the post VE Day  slackening off   to look forward to.  I reckon  what we are seeing now is due to the "fraying" of the "Stay at Home" regime.

This really does fall into the "no Sh*t Sherlock" category

I don't know, but R is a guesstimate based on not just recorded tests, but observations of behaviour and human contacts. Clearly SAGE have seen people mixing, and using public transport much more and taken that into account

I could a post a video from one of my regular "pleasure" sites, if Brian would allow it?

Coronavirus: Funding for homeless scheme will not be extended

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-52637283

The government will not extend funding to help rough sleepers in England stay off the streets amid the coronavirus pandemic, it has confirmed.

Councils were given £3.2m in March to provide emergency shelter for homeless people, with many housed in hotels.

A leaked report seen by the Manchester Evening News revealed the government has "drawn a line'" under the scheme.

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It seems more and more stories like this are trickling out. Rather than learning and doing things differently, we revert to type.

It seems many in the Tory party are now well and truly bored of Lockdown. I cant see the homeless socially distance.

Yes, which is higher than last week. It has risen.

"This is calculated on a two-step process.

Firstly, information about deaths is used with information about the progression of Covid-19 to estimate the number of infectious people.

Secondly, the day-by-day changes in the numbers of infectious people are used to estimate R."

Yes, though they tend to be conservative so as not to upset Cummings, so it probably is close to 1

It has but you said it was at 1.....

Shocking

I'm sure Maunder will be along soon to explain why its necessary

OK, but it said on the news banner between 0.7 and 1. So it could be 1, 0.9, 0.8 or 0.7. So I am not wrong either.

Well let's face it - they don't need it as much as all those furloughed workers with houses do they?

I suspect it would be flagged as inappropriate. 

It is wrong to say that it is definitively at 1.0 though, isn't it? That was not what was reported. The difference between 0.7 and 1 is massive as well, within 2 generations of spread 100 infectious people at R=1 will have infected 200 more, whereas 100 infectious people at R=0.7 will only have infected 119 more, and the difference between the two figures will continue to increase more and more quickly...

and that doesn't yet include recent relaxes to the lockdown since Sunday so expect it to keep rising.

Yes I was and am asking MM to put a value on life. I ask because (revealingly?) he wont do that, and because it is indeed a very, very, very  difficult question. My answer is lockdown was better than the alternatives and that I feel deeply uncomfortable when people are told they have to take the risk of getting this virus.

I'm 62, I work in a school - sometimes with student, but mostly outdoors. What risk should I be made to take? That is the question I ask MM but in a different form. I guess my risk is, I dunno, if I catch it, 1-3% of dying, if people start spreading it my risk of catching it will rise from close to negligible now to ...I don't know! But, MM wants us to go back to work - what risk of losing my life does he think I should take? 2%, 5%, 10%, 25%? I doubt he'll answer. What risk would he take (he wont say).

I'll also say I get the argument I'm 'getting paid to do nothing' (though most people is school are working to some extent - I will be tomorrow if in isolation). Fwiw, I've been careful enough that I, perhaps, could manage without work but I also enjoy my job and wouldn't like to lose it. It's any coercion I don't like and it's (that damn question again) how much risk is it fair to ask people to take???????

Fwiw I don't think the lockdown is causing death so much as people's fear of going to the hospital and catching C19 is.