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The Beast from the East
16 May 2020 19:51:00


 


Yes she is on record as spinning some yarn at the beginning of this crisis about large open air gatherings not being a problem in spreading the virus and that small gatherings were more of a problem. I really could not understand this at the time because it seemed more like black magic than science. When did this change? I see no sign of large gatherings being allowed now even though we are clearly on top of the situation.


Originally Posted by: RobN 


Yes, she was the one who said football matches and Cheltenham were fine to go ahead


She is a moron and a nodding donkey


Whitty and Vallance are also government lackeys, too afraid to say what they really think


Jean Claude Van Dam (or whatever his name is) seems the smartest of them, but he also toes the Govt line too easily. 


I suspect they were all made to sign contracts by Cummings


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
doctormog
16 May 2020 19:53:07


 


I was highlighting the  hypocrisy of another post, not criticising you. 


Bloody hell, I’m out of here😞


Originally Posted by: John p 


I was just asking a question. 


The Beast from the East
16 May 2020 19:56:25


 


Maybe >60,000 dead constitutes 'mass hysteria' in your strange world.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


The irony was that he and Q were the most ardent "hysterics" back in January warning about the dangers, whilst I was calling it a storm in a teacup!


But now that his Govt has utterly failed to contain the virus, he has converted into a herd immunity anti lockdown fanatic who secretly agrees with *****Corbyn on this issue


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
fairweather
16 May 2020 19:59:35


 


That's a very demeaning and uncalled for comment. She's a darn sight brighter than you mister.  


 


Originally Posted by: llamedos 


In that case it was really bad form on her part yesterday to display a graph with the last four points level or rising to say that admissions were continuing to fall steadily. If she had some other information she should have declared it otherwise it looks like government confirmational bias.


S.Essex, 42m ASL
Heavy Weather 2013
16 May 2020 20:01:09


Here is a question for teachers - if June is so bad for some classes going back, why is September going to be any better?


There still won't be the possibility of mass vaccination by then, so we will still be living with the virus just as we are now going into the autumn.


If anything, the summer months, when it is warmer and there is more outdoor activity, would be a better time to be at school.


The other thing which puzzles me is some authorities getting uptight about people being on beaches - I would have thought a beach was the last place where you could pick up the virus, being outdoors with onshore breezes - perfect place for people to relax without anxiety.


There appears to be an element of mass hysteria about corona virus.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


I am hearing most private schools are going back in September including Eton. I wonder why?


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Maunder Minimum
16 May 2020 20:02:59


 


Maybe >60,000 dead constitutes 'mass hysteria' in your strange world.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Either we learn to cope with the virus or we run around like headless chickens. We know who the most vulnerable groups are and in particular it is those over 75 years of age - just look at the age profile of those who died. Young families going to the beach is not going to be a problem - they are very unlikely to contract the virus out in the open on the beach in any case. As for schools - the limited opening in June should be perfectly manageable.


We cannot survive in lockdown indefinitely - so at some point it has to be relaxed.


New world order coming.
Devonian
16 May 2020 20:10:23


 


Either we learn to cope with the virus or we run around like headless chickens. We know who the most vulnerable groups are and in particular it is those over 75 years of age - just look at the age profile of those who died. Young families going to the beach is not going to be a problem - they are very unlikely to contract the virus out in the open on the beach in any case. As for schools - the limited opening in June should be perfectly manageable.


We cannot survive in lockdown indefinitely - so at some point it has to be relaxed.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Lock down has been relaxed - have you not been paying attention?


 You're clearly unconcerned about 60K death, how many would you find of concern?

fairweather
16 May 2020 20:11:40


 


Yes she is on record as spinning some yarn at the beginning of this crisis about large open air gatherings not being a problem in spreading the virus and that small gatherings were more of a problem. I really could not understand this at the time because it seemed more like black magic than science. When did this change? I see no sign of large gatherings being allowed now even though we are clearly on top of the situation.


Originally Posted by: RobN 


I don't know who is right about this but I could see some logic at the time. One person can only infect say the 5 people closest to them. It would take a different person to be already infected to infect another 5 as it is not an instant chain reaction. But of course one large gathering would be the same as a lot of small gatherings I guess, which is why it would be a bad idea as are small gatherings.


S.Essex, 42m ASL
Maunder Minimum
16 May 2020 20:12:32


 


Lock down has been relaxed - have you not been paying attention?


 You're clearly unconcerned about 60K death, how many would you find of concern?


Originally Posted by: Devonian 


Oh for Heaven's sake!


 


New world order coming.
Devonian
16 May 2020 20:14:23


 


Oh for Heaven's sake!


 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


No, you replied to a post talking about 60K death with the word 'run around like headless chickens'. You show absolute contempt for those who care about such numbers of deaths

Joe Bloggs
16 May 2020 20:17:20

I know I sound like a broken record on this.


Ease the lockdown when we have a proper contact tracing and testing plan, with a Bluetooth app that works effectively. Not before. 


This is a relatively simple point which isn’t receiving enough  attention.  



Manchester City Centre, 31m ASL

doctormog
16 May 2020 20:19:33


I know I sound like a broken record on this.


Ease the lockdown when we have a proper contact tracing and testing plan, with a Bluetooth app that works effectively. Not before. 


This is a relatively simple point which isn’t receiving enough  attention.  


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


You're right Joe. A different approach is possible elsewhere as the situation and prevalence is different elsewhere. The virus may or may not go away by itself and we have to assume and prepare for the latter.


Bugglesgate
16 May 2020 20:21:22


I know I sound like a broken record on this.


Ease the lockdown when we have a proper contact tracing and testing plan, with a Bluetooth app that works effectively. Not before. 


This is a relatively simple point which isn’t receiving enough  attention.  


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


 



 


Indeed,  and I think we need less new case for "track and trace" to be feasible, even  with the app (that currently still seems to have problems).  I would have been more comfortable   sticking with the previous unequivocal "stay at home" message  for a few more weeks until cases had subsided, and they have sorted the app out.


 


 


Chris (It,its)
Between Newbury and Basingstoke
"When they are giving you their all, some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy banging your heart against some mad buggers wall"
Heavy Weather 2013
16 May 2020 20:21:32


I know I sound like a broken record on this.


Ease the lockdown when we have a proper contact tracing and testing plan, with a Bluetooth app that works effectively. Not before. 


This is a relatively simple point which isn’t receiving enough  attention.  


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


100% agree. We need a strategy. We’re not hearing enough about this at the moment. We were running a trial on the IOW. Unless I am mistaken we’ve heard nothing since 


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Joe Bloggs
16 May 2020 20:24:40

Glad I’m not alone with this view 😊.


The silence from central Government is deafening. 


In terms of schools opening for example - we should be waiting for this plan to be implemented first. 



Manchester City Centre, 31m ASL

Roger Parsons
16 May 2020 20:27:30


Glad I’m not alone with this view 😊.


The silence from central Government is deafening. 


In terms of schools opening for example - we should be waiting for this plan to be implemented first. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


I can only repeat what I said earlier: "For me the reopening of schools is fraught with concerns and unknown risks..."


R.


RogerP
West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire
Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.
William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830
fairweather
16 May 2020 20:27:45


 


100% agree. We need a strategy. We’re not hearing enough about this at the moment. We were running a trial on the IOW. Unless I am mistaken we’ve heard nothing since 


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Frankly, I think we are going to have to solve this ourselves as there is no clear strategy from the government. We will have to do everything in our power as an individual not to spread it or catch it ourselves. We pretty much know how to do that although of course it is much easier for some than others. We all do that and wait, I guess. 


S.Essex, 42m ASL
RobN
  • RobN
  • Advanced Member
16 May 2020 20:31:03


 


I don't know who is right about this but I could see some logic at the time. One person can only infect say the 5 people closest to them. It would take a different person to be already infected to infect another 5 as it is not an instant chain reaction. But of course one large gathering would be the same as a lot of small gatherings I guess, which is why it would be a bad idea as are small gatherings.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


As someone else observed earlier this is not how "large gatherings" work. You are not always in a little bubble with just 5 people next to you. You go to the bar and queue with other people, you drink from glasses that other people have used that have had a quick swill, you go to the toilet and stand next to others, you interact with other onsite food and service providers, you go to packed pubs and restaurants before and after the event, you travel to these events on packed public transport...


How they could come up with this notion that mass gatherings were not important in spreading the epidemic is just farcical. 


Rob
In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.
Saint Snow
16 May 2020 20:38:09


 


Yes, she was the one who said football matches and Cheltenham were fine to go ahead


She is a moron and a nodding donkey


Whitty and Vallance are also government lackeys, too afraid to say what they really think


Jean Claude Van Dam (or whatever his name is) seems the smartest of them, but he also toes the Govt line too easily. 


I suspect they were all made to sign contracts by Cummings


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


 


Well said.


The scientists seem to have been wholly politicised. The government has ballsed this up from the beginning* and these science figures have used the daily pressers to kiss Tory arse and spin bullsh*t about how well the government is doing. 


I'm heartened by the dissolving support (per latest polls) for how this bunch of shysters is handling it, but know through bitter experience how fickle and easily-duped the plebs can be.


 


* I'll excuse Sunak, whose actions need to ge applauded... although if he loads the debt onto everyone - especially those who've not benefited from 2/3 months off to do sweet FA on 80% pay - then I think - would hope - there'll be severely negative reaction



Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
CreweCold
16 May 2020 20:45:16


 


 


Well said.


The scientists seem to have been wholly politicised. The government has ballsed this up from the beginning* and these science figures have used the daily pressers to kiss Tory arse and spin bullsh*t about how well the government is doing. 


I'm heartened by the dissolving support (per latest polls) for how this bunch of shysters is handling it, but know through bitter experience how fickle and easily-duped the plebs can be.


 


* I'll excuse Sunak, whose actions need to ge applauded... although if he loads the debt onto everyone - especially those who've not benefited from 2/3 months off to do sweet FA on 80% pay - then I think - would hope - there'll be severely negative reaction


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


I mentioned on the other site that as a key worker, I'd be majorly pissed off if my contributions were put up. 


I've already had a bonus in my wages for working through this. It left me in real terms with an extra £50 in my wages because of tax and NI contributions!



Crewe, Cheshire
55 metres above sea level
Saint Snow
16 May 2020 20:55:44


I mentioned on the other site that as a key worker, I'd be majorly pissed off if my contributions were put up. 


I've already had a bonus in my wages for working through this. It left me in real terms with an extra £50 in my wages because of tax and NI contributions!


Originally Posted by: CreweCold 


The news that public sector workers - many of whom have worked through this at great personal risk - are facing a pay freeze... disgusting. 


And other essential workers like yourself having tax hikes... a disgrace. 


Meanwhile, over 1,800 private jets have flown into the UK since 'lockdown'. A similar number also flien out. Millionaires evacuated their London homes in their masses to have a fun jolly in their second homes by the sea or in the countryside (putting additional pressure on local services). Tax-dodging remains endemic amongst the wealthy. 


A financial elite have barely had their lives affected by all this.


These parasites are who we should be targeting with tax rises.


 



Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
Devonian
16 May 2020 20:58:14


I know I sound like a broken record on this.


Ease the lockdown when we have a proper contact tracing and testing plan, with a Bluetooth app that works effectively. Not before. 


This is a relatively simple point which isn’t receiving enough  attention.  


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


Yup


Instead I was at work today and nearby a bunch of bloke were happily preparing a football pitch. They had not a care in the world, they were all chatting away. Virus? What Virus...

Justin W
16 May 2020 20:59:56


 


Either we learn to cope with the virus or we run around like headless chickens. We know who the most vulnerable groups are and in particular it is those over 75 years of age - just look at the age profile of those who died. Young families going to the beach is not going to be a problem - they are very unlikely to contract the virus out in the open on the beach in any case. As for schools - the limited opening in June should be perfectly manageable.


We cannot survive in lockdown indefinitely - so at some point it has to be relaxed.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


We need to reduce the rate of infection to a point where we won’t face a catastrophic second wave.


But you only care about the lives of thousands when you can pin the blame on foreigners. 


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Devonian
16 May 2020 21:00:52


 


The news that public sector workers - many of whom have worked through this at great personal risk - are facing a pay freeze... disgusting. 


And other essential workers like yourself having tax hikes... a disgrace. 


Meanwhile, over 1,800 private jets have flown into the UK since 'lockdown'. A similar number also flien out. Millionaires evacuated their London homes in their masses to have a fun jolly in their second homes by the sea or in the countryside (putting additional pressure on local services). Tax-dodging remains endemic amongst the wealthy. 


A financial elite have barely had their lives affected by all this.


These parasites are who we should be targeting with tax rises.


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Spot on - tax 'em more (and rile the MMs as a bonus).

Heavy Weather 2013
16 May 2020 21:03:53

[quote=Saint Snow;1216520


A financial elite have barely had their lives affected by all this.


These parasites are who we should be targeting with tax rises.



They are also the first to insist that the masses put themselves on the front line against the virus.


Aaron Banks who flew to New Zealand at the first sign of the virus telling everyone to get back to work.


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.

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