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Gavin D
17 May 2020 18:50:27

Regional data for new cases today in England


The 7 English regions 



  • London +81 (0.3%) 26,440

  • Midlands +158 (0.7%) 24,016

  • North West +134 (0.6%) 23,610

  • North East and Yorkshire +136 (0.6%) 22,699

  • South East +154 (0.8%) 20,225

  • East of England +60 (0.5%) 13,032

  • South West +28 (0.4%) 7,294


The 10 local areas with the highest cases



  1. Kent +30 (0.7%) 4,441

  2. Lancashire +18 (0.5%) 3,340

  3. Birmingham +15 (0.5%) 3,275

  4. Hampshire +24 (0.8%) 3,157

  5. Essex +21 (0.7%) 3,064

  6. Surrey +8 (0.3%) 2,811

  7. Hertfordshire +17 (0.6%) 2,728

  8. Sheffield +11 (0.4%) 2,472

  9. Cumbria +5 (0.2%) 2,142

  10. Staffordshire +12 (0.6%) 2,071


The 10 local areas with the lowest cases



  1. Rutland 32 - No change

  2. North East Lincolnshire 146  - No change

  3. Isle of Wight +8 (4.5%) 177

  4. Torbay 221 - No change

  5. Bath and North East Somerset 227 - No change

  6. Bracknell Forest 235 - No change

  7. Windsor and Maidenhead 278 - No change

  8. Calderdale +4 (1.4%) 283

  9. Hartlepool 295 - No change

  10. Portsmouth +1 (0.3%) 312

Saint Snow
17 May 2020 19:08:29


 



And a lifetime of envy from others who also have far more than they need, but much less than they want  


Speaking as one who, compared with you, is very, very poor 


Originally Posted by: Essan 


 


You'll have to explain the relevance of this to the point my post was making (that the £45k their parents 'invest' in their offsprings' private education buys a lifetime of career doors being opened for them, regardless of merit, that remain closed to people without the requisite old school tie)


But I suppose if the 'envy' of others who actually have to strive for financial security gets them down, they can chuckle at memories of burning £20 notes in front of homeless people as they swan about town in dinner suits with their chums.


 



Martin
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Saint Snow
17 May 2020 19:13:25


 


Exactly. Too simple for Gove to grasp that it is about transmission risk not about kids catching it. If they are carrying it back to a parent with underlying conditions and that parent dies that child is going to have a great future - not!


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


 


Gove isn't stupid and will know this.


But he has such a lack of empathy that he just doesn't care.


He just wants to get back to business as usual, and if schools are remaining shut, it presents a substantial barrier.


 



Martin
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Justin W
17 May 2020 19:13:52







You really don't get it.  But hey, you have lots of money.    Not everyone is as lucky.  But why should you care?   You're a socialist ....


Originally Posted by: Essan 


I really wonder what happened to you, Andy. I haven't worked for two months - like you, I'm self employed. I have applied for the HMG self employment support scheme and am waiting for the money. This is the most worrying time of my life. But, hey, according to you I have 'unlimited money'


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Justin W
17 May 2020 19:17:30

There is an opportunity to change the way that society and the human world works. It is a once-in-a-generation chance to ditch the fixation on 'economic growth' and build a greener, fairer, happier society where the obsession with stuff and doing better than your neighbours no longer counts.


We have a chance.


But of course it won't happen. The elastic snaps back. Resumption of normal service is the order of the day. It is the most depressing missed opportunity of my lifetime. So today I have donated to Extinction Rebellion and offered my services.


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
doctormog
17 May 2020 19:30:05


 


 


You'll have to explain the relevance of this to the point my post was making (that the £45k their parents 'invest' in their offsprings' private education buys a lifetime of career doors being opened for them, regardless of merit, that remain closed to people without the requisite old school tie)


But I suppose if the 'envy' of others who actually have to strive for financial security gets them down, they can chuckle at memories of burning £20 notes in front of homeless people as they swan about town in dinner suits with their chums.


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Totally off-topic and in the wrong season but your post made me think of the joke about the Eton-themed Advent calendar (where all the doors are opened by my dad’s contacts) . Apologies for the random interjection.


Essan
17 May 2020 19:30:50


You'll have to explain the relevance of this to the point my post was making (that the £45k their parents 'invest' in their offsprings' private education buys a lifetime of career doors being opened for them, regardless of merit, that remain closed to people without the requisite old school tie)


But I suppose if the 'envy' of others who actually have to strive for financial security gets them down, they can chuckle at memories of burning £20 notes in front of homeless people as they swan about town in dinner suits with their chums.


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 




Yes, that sounds like class envy to me     Or rather money envy.


Maybe never ever having much gives you a different perspective?  But thankfully I don't give a toss about such people and really don't envy them at all.  I just find it odd some other people do.   But, each to their own.   


Andy
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Devonian
17 May 2020 19:33:13


There is an opportunity to change the way that society and the human world works. It is a once-in-a-generation chance to ditch the fixation on 'economic growth' and build a greener, fairer, happier society where the obsession with stuff and doing better than your neighbours no longer counts.


We have a chance.


But of course it won't happen. The elastic snaps back. Resumption of normal service is the order of the day. It is the most depressing missed opportunity of my lifetime. So today I have donated to Extinction Rebellion and offered my services.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Yup, spot on.


Clean air, no noise, animals, plants and birds less harassed, quiet...


No, we've got to get back to pollution, noise, cars, smog, plastic, wasting money on tat, fecking about everywhere in planes,  drugs, chucking things in dustbins, takeaways, not caring about anything. I dunno...


Still, I've vowed to ride to work more and I'm damn well going to do that.

Northern Sky
17 May 2020 19:36:14


There is an opportunity to change the way that society and the human world works. It is a once-in-a-generation chance to ditch the fixation on 'economic growth' and build a greener, fairer, happier society where the obsession with stuff and doing better than your neighbours no longer counts.


We have a chance.


But of course it won't happen. The elastic snaps back. Resumption of normal service is the order of the day. It is the most depressing missed opportunity of my lifetime. So today I have donated to Extinction Rebellion and offered my services.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Devonian
17 May 2020 19:37:31




I really don't know.  I am on the far right and the far left when it comes to what we should do/have done .....    


Originally Posted by: Essan 


Right! 50K death are unacceptable (let alone several 100k)  so is people being bankrupted - nor can the govt pay us all for ever.


But, I can manage on little (yes, I'm lucky to be able to) and the quiet, the cleanness of the air, the ability to see the natural world breath - it's truly wondrous. How millions can't see that to just point to how disconnected we are and how huge the problem is.

Hungry Tiger
17 May 2020 19:37:52

Food for thought as one commentator put it.




" For those too depressed, suicidal or politically correct to have DTP:


I blame this blasted weather.


It lulls us into thinking that we are passing through a sunlit dreamtime, a holiday from reality after which things will get back to normal.


But things won’t get back to normal.


Our problems are only just starting.


Even if, either because we find a cure or many more of us turn out to be immune than was realised, we are able to lift the restrictions speedily, the damage has been done.


Our economy is in collapse.


We have taken on debt at a rate not seen since 1945.


A new generation is about to learn what mass unemployment feels like.


How, in the circumstances, can we be so relaxed about extending the closures?


When every day in lockdown adds billions to our debt, and months, even years, to the eventual recovery, how can so many of us think it reasonable to leave things as they are “until we can be absolutely sure”?


Why, when other European countries are firing up their economies, do we remain the most timorous of all the electorates polled?


The answer, I think, can be found in a YouGov survey last week which asked people whether the lockdown was having a positive or a negative effect on various aspects of their lives.


Most of the results were unsurprising: people thought that the impact on their family relationships was positive, the impact on their social lives negative, the impact on their diet and exercise neutral.


But there was one especially telling response.


Asked about their personal income, only 26 per cent of respondents felt the lockdown had made them worse off (with 21 per cent saying the effect was positive and 50 per cent saying it was neutral).


Think about those figures for a moment.


Closing down most economic activity is bound to make almost everyone poorer.


That should be an obvious, indeed indisputable, statement.


Look around you.


Businesses are already going under, two million more people have been driven on to benefits, and the sums we are borrowing, hour by hour, will condemn us to decades of tax rises, inflation or both – which will in turn hit our productivity.


No one is immune.


If you’re a pensioner, your pension will lose its value.


If you’re a public sector worker, you’ll find that, as its tax take evaporates, the Government can’t afford to pay you.


If you have savings, they will be inflated away.


If you’re a student, you’ll be working off these debts for the rest of your life.​


Britain, as a whole, is perhaps 25 per cent poorer.


Yet, so far, few of us are feeling it.


That 26 per cent figure is a reminder that our economy is an inverted pyramid resting on a relatively small number of profitable enterprises.


The rest of the population – whether state employees on full pay or furloughed workers who, without travel or childcare costs, are no worse off – naturally find it easier to call for caution.


“We need to put lives before the economy,” say the majority – as though the economy were some abstraction removed from human endeavour.


Perhaps we can’t help thinking this way.


We are flesh-and-blood creatures.


We can picture getting sick much more easily than we can picture a fall in GDP.


Only when that fall hits us directly, leaving us unable to afford the things we used to buy, will we understand that “the economy” is what we call the transactions people make to improve their lives.


And, even then, we may struggle to link our misfortune to the closures we have spent the past two months demanding.


Weather conditions along the lines of King Lear act three, scene two would be more appropriate.


They might just give us a premonition of what is heading our way."


 


 


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Devonian
17 May 2020 19:41:01


Food for thought as one commentator put it.


 


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


Who?


 


Where's their 'can do'?


We'll bounce back. The real question is bounce back better or the same...

Essan
17 May 2020 19:42:12


I really wonder what happened to you, Andy. I haven't worked for two months - like you, I'm self employed. I have applied for the HMG self employment support scheme and am waiting for the money. This is the most worrying time of my life. But, hey, according to you I have 'unlimited money'


Originally Posted by: Justin W 



I wasn't referring to you   


Hopefully my Govt compensation for being banned from working will come through next week (application went through smoothly) so I will be able to pay my council tax next week (much of which goes towards council workers' pensions ..... )


Andy
Evesham, Worcs, Albion - 35m asl
Weather & Earth Science News 

Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job - DNA
Devonian
17 May 2020 19:42:32


 



Originally Posted by: Northern Sky 


Yes, I think I'll contribute to XR too.


You? I'm genuinely sad for you that you think Justin's words are a ''.

doctormog
17 May 2020 19:45:46


 


Who?


 


Where's their 'can do'?


We'll bounce back. The real question is bounce back better or the same...


Originally Posted by: Devonian 


Daniel Hannan in the Telegraph I think


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/17/no-one-immune-economic-storm-come1/


I believe this is the source but I don’t have a subscription.


Essan
17 May 2020 19:46:39


Right! 50K death are unacceptable (let alone several 100k)  so is people being bankrupted - nor can the govt pay us all for ever.


But, I can manage on little (yes, I'm lucky to be able to) and the quiet, the cleanness of the air, the ability to see the natural world breath - it's truly wondrous. How millions can't see that to just point to how disconnected we are and how huge the problem is.


Originally Posted by: Devonian 




I do hope that some people at least will learn from this; discover the difference between want and need, and that actually, what they really need isn't all about money and material possession.  And that they already have more than they need, if only they look.    We'll see.

I'd love to think the environmental benefits will persist too, but am less confidence about that.   More cars about today then I have seen in 2 months .....


Andy
Evesham, Worcs, Albion - 35m asl
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NickR
17 May 2020 19:47:19
For anyone underplaying the serious health impacts covid-19 looks like it could have on a LOT of people, I suggest reading this thread.

https://twitter.com/felicitycallard/status/1260638710951002116?s=19 
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Caz
  • Caz
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17 May 2020 19:48:40


There is an opportunity to change the way that society and the human world works. It is a once-in-a-generation chance to ditch the fixation on 'economic growth' and build a greener, fairer, happier society where the obsession with stuff and doing better than your neighbours no longer counts.


We have a chance.


But of course it won't happen. The elastic snaps back. Resumption of normal service is the order of the day. It is the most depressing missed opportunity of my lifetime. So today I have donated to Extinction Rebellion and offered my services.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 

  Agree completely, except for your last sentence!   Society has been so much more ‘human’ over the past few weeks. 


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Devonian
17 May 2020 19:48:44




I wasn't referring to you   


Hopefully my Govt compensation for being banned from working will come through next week (application went through smoothly) so I will be able to pay my council tax next week (much of which goes towards council workers' pensions ..... )


Originally Posted by: Essan 


No, it really doesn't...besides, a job in public service is open to you.


You should have been able to work then? If so, then presumably so should every one else? Then, hundreds of thousands will have died. Is that the choice you would have made?


What would several hundred thousand people dying in a few months have done to us? Just wave all the death away as necessary or something? We'd have lost a lot of humanity AND our humanity. IMO.

NickR
17 May 2020 19:49:06


 


 Wikipedia, yes that must be true.


Originally Posted by: bledur 


Strangely, wikipedia is not entirely lacking in accuracy. Why are you such a twit?


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NickR
17 May 2020 19:52:41


 


My apologies.  I though this was the Covid 19 thread.   

Anyway,  look forward to you only posting weather related comments on TWO from now on.  


Originally Posted by: Essan 


You know full well that wasnt what I said, implied or otherwise. Your assumptions about me and others are despicable. You have zero idea what is going on in my life and that of my family. Maybe if you did you wouldn't have posted the presumptuous, self-righteous sh it you did today.


And yeah, you've touched a nerve.


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bledur
17 May 2020 19:54:21


 


I really wonder what happened to you, Andy. I haven't worked for two months - like you, I'm self employed. I have applied for the HMG self employment support scheme and am waiting for the money. This is the most worrying time of my life. But, hey, according to you I have 'unlimited money'


Originally Posted by: Justin W 

Why can you not write at this time ? I would have thought it was something you can do.The Self Employment scheme is very quick and efficient from what i have heard . My wife has applied but i did not think i had been so affected to apply.

Devonian
17 May 2020 19:55:38


  Agree completely, except for your last sentence!   Society has been so much more ‘human’ over the past few weeks. 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


I don't get why people are against XR - especially now. They're just people campaigning for a better world (ok, many of them are 'dangerous' Quakers).


The cars, smog, particulates,  etc etc etc will be back. INactivity wont change that.

Maunder Minimum
17 May 2020 19:56:57

Been busy today, so no idea whether this article has been posted before - apologies if so:


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/bma-got-science-wrong-in-urging-schools-to-stay-closed-7htwrggjr


"The largest doctors’ union has been criticised for saying that it is too early to consider opening schools, with other experts accusing it of making errors in its representation of scientific studies from other countries.


The British Medical Association wrote an open letter on Friday to the National Education Union, which represents teachers, supporting its opposition to government plans to reopen schools on June 1.


Chaand Nagpaul, BMA chairman, wrote that the little evidence so far on the potential dangers posed by reopening schools was conflicting and that the teaching unions had been “absolutely right” to urge caution.


“Until we have got case numbers much lower, we should not consider reopening schools,” he said.


Other experts took issue with the comments. “The BMA have caused headlines by focusing on the wrong part of the debate and by doing so have not presented a balanced representation of their members’ views,” Saul Faust, professor of paediatric immunology and infectious diseases at Southampton University and University Hospital Southampton, said.


He added: “Society has to reopen, children need to return to school as there are negatives for many of having to stay at home and we need to be able to study transmission dynamics in all ages to help us learn how to manage this virus.


“Slowly opening schools in a controlled way will be of low risk to children’s health and less risk to teachers than the risk to many other workers when on public transport.”


 


...


Alasdair Munro, clinical research fellow in paediatric infectious diseases at University Hospital, said that the letter contained “clear errors in interpretation of the evidence of transmission in children”.


He added: “The German study examining viral loads did not find children were ‘just as likely to be infected as adults’. It made no comment on this at all, but did find substantially lower numbers of children positive for SARS-CoV-2 in the cohort.


“In addition, the study did not demonstrate children are ‘just as infectious’ as adults. The study made no firm conclusions, but did find viral load increased with age . . . Whilst not the sole indicator of how infectious an individual is, this certainly does not indicate children are as infectious as adults.”


Catherine Carroll-Meehan, head of the school of education and sociology at the University of Portsmouth, said: “Given that we are in warmer months, a compromise might be to have children return to education and use outdoor learning spaces, parks, playgrounds in addition to the classroom. The Danish have recently opened schools and applied social distancing effectively.


..."


As I have written previously, the BMA getting involved in this is suspect and from the outset Chaand Nagpaul, BMA chairman appears to have been one sided in his attitude to the way the crisis has been handled in the UK. Sure, he has to represent the Doctors who are members of the BMA, but a lot of that requires engaging with the authorities, rather than just posturing and throwing rotten eggs and tomatoes in public.


New world order coming.
bledur
17 May 2020 19:56:57


 


Strangely, wikipedia is not entirely lacking in accuracy. Why are you such a twit?


Originally Posted by: NickR 


 Well so i have been informed, so perhaps it is better. On the second part of your comment i will just put down to you having a bad day.

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