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Devonian
17 May 2020 20:00:08


Been busy today, so no idea whether this article has been posted before - apologies if so:


...


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Posted by you earlier today...


Edit: No it wasn't , but same old claptrap as in the Mail you did cut-n-paste earlier

Bugglesgate
17 May 2020 20:01:06


 


Yup, spot on.


Clean air, no noise, animals, plants and birds less harassed, quiet...


No, we've got to get back to pollution, noise, cars, smog, plastic, wasting money on tat, fecking about everywhere in planes,  drugs, chucking things in dustbins, takeaways, not caring about anything. I dunno...


Still, I've vowed to ride to work more and I'm damn well going to do that.


Originally Posted by: Devonian 


 


Was up on the downs this morning early (6:30 AM) it was great (for a while) sun, skylarks - utterly tranquil.


........ Then  about 7.30 AM  some utter dick head woke up and decided to  rag his  motor bicycle   without a silencer up and down the A339.  He must have been 6 miles away at the nearest but the sound was annoying and intrusive - God alone what it must have sounded like in the valley adjacent to the road.


The sound of normality returning


Chris (It,its)
Between Newbury and Basingstoke
"When they are giving you their all, some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy banging your heart against some mad buggers wall"
NickR
17 May 2020 20:02:04


 


 Well so i have been informed, so perhaps it is better. On the second part of your comment i will just put down to you having a bad day.


Originally Posted by: bledur 


Does wikipedia get his qualifications, field, and career details right? Yes. Full stop.


Nick
Durham
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Maunder Minimum
17 May 2020 20:02:55


 


Posted by you earlier today...


Originally Posted by: Devonian 


Nope - only read that article this evening - the piece I posted this morning was from the Daily Wail.


Anyhow, what have we got here?


https://events.labour.org.uk/event/99382


"...


The doors will be open for stalls, coffee and registration from 10am, to ensure a prompt start. The broad themes and demands of the conference will be the same as those that galvanised hundreds of thousands at #ourNHS demo:

No Cuts or Closures
No Privatisation
Fair Pay for NHS staff

We have an exciting platform of speakers confirmed from leading trade unions and councillors to local campaigners and life-long activists, including:

Dr Chaand Nagpaul, Chair of BMA
Sara Gorton, head of Unison health
Ken Loach, BAFTA award winning film director
Julian Bell and Steven Cowan, Council Leaders who have rejected STPs in London


..."


I long suspected there was a political angle to the head of the BMA.


New world order coming.
Devonian
17 May 2020 20:02:57


 


 


Was up on the downs this morning early (6:30 AM) it was great (for a while) sun, skylarks - utterly tranquil.


........ Then  about 7.30 AM  some utter dick head woke up and decided to  rag his  motor bicycle   without a silencer up and down the A339.  He must have been 6 miles away at the nearest but the sound was annoying and intrusive - God alone what it must have sounded like in the valley adjacent to the road.


The sound of normality returning


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


Yes, some bloody motorbikes and the lard brains who ride some of them.

Essan
17 May 2020 20:03:58


You should have been able to work then? If so, then presumably so should every one else? Then, hundreds of thousands will have died. Is that the choice you would have made?

Originally Posted by: Devonian 




I wasn't saying that.   I simply consider the payment to be compensation, rather than a hand-out.   


 


Andy
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Joe Bloggs
17 May 2020 20:04:56

Funny how things go round in circles in this place. 


I remember having an argument with Andy (Essan) on this forum about whether or not I was wealthy, over ten years ago now. 😂😂 


 



Manchester City Centre, 31m ASL

Devonian
17 May 2020 20:06:41





I wasn't saying that.   I simply consider the payment to be compensation, rather than a hand-out.   


 


Originally Posted by: Essan 


Ahh, ok, got you.

Essan
17 May 2020 20:06:54


 


You know full well that wasnt what I said, implied or otherwise. Your assumptions about me and others are despicable. You have zero idea what is going on in my life and that of my family. Maybe if you did you wouldn't have posted the presumptuous, self-righteous sh it you did today.


And yeah, you've touched a nerve.


Originally Posted by: NickR 




Whereas you presume to know everything about me and anyone else whom you disagree with.

Pot Kettle Black



And in case you didn't know it, you touched a nerve too.  And not for the first time 



Andy
Evesham, Worcs, Albion - 35m asl
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Northern Sky
17 May 2020 20:12:27


 


I don't get why people are against XR - especially now. They're just people campaigning for a better world (ok, many of them are 'dangerous' Quakers).


The cars, smog, particulates,  etc etc etc will be back. INactivity wont change that.


Originally Posted by: Devonian 


Nothing wrong with campaigning for a better world. The problem with XR is they are hypocrites. How many of them would be prepared to live in the poverty they want to keep billions of other people in? There's absolutely nothing stopping them giving away all their money and belongings and living in a hut with the rest of their family and dying from indoor air pollution because they have no other option but to burn wood or dung for fuel. If they want to stop people using the resources that lift them out of that poverty the least they can do is live in it themselves.


And yes I've loved the quiet, the clean air and the birdsong during lockdown but a big part of that has been a result of people not being able to work and earn money to survive. We can't just stop people working but hopefully many people will have found they can work in a different way through technology. Economic growth isn't the problem, the problem is the mismanagement of resources. Maybe we will learn some lessons from lockdown?

Maunder Minimum
17 May 2020 20:13:59


 


I don't get why people are against XR - especially now. They're just people campaigning for a better world (ok, many of them are 'dangerous' Quakers).


The cars, smog, particulates,  etc etc etc will be back. INactivity wont change that.


Originally Posted by: Devonian 


Because they are a bunch of middle class hypocrites saying "do as I say", not do as I do. Celebrities fly across oceans to take part in XR and they fail to see the irony.


New world order coming.
pfw
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17 May 2020 20:17:03

Canadian report: Ontario at 340 new cases https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-covid-19-may-17-2020-1.5573736


As I half expected, Ford announced some easing of measures just before the Victoria Day weekend. So there is a gradual re-opening of businesses starting Tuesday, but with restrictions in place. I'm afraid for some it's already too late - there are a number of bankruptcy notices on local stores here and one of the best known lakeside bars has just closed


Waiting to see what will be done on schools. I don't see a lot of benefit to re-opening before September as it will only be for a few weeks. Better to try and start the new year as normally as possible. There will be problems -  some of the teachers and particularly the administrative staff are older and may be reluctant to return.


For the younger kids what they miss most from schools is peer group contact. Perhaps small bubbles of kids + families should be allowed over the summer period.


Nice yesterday but lots of rain now forecast for the remainder of the holiday weekend - I am actually hoping for a sweltering backloaded summer now!


--
Paul.
John p
17 May 2020 20:17:41


 


Nope - only read that article this evening - the piece I posted this morning was from the Daily Wail.


Anyhow, what have we got here?


https://events.labour.org.uk/event/99382


"...


The doors will be open for stalls, coffee and registration from 10am, to ensure a prompt start. The broad themes and demands of the conference will be the same as those that galvanised hundreds of thousands at #ourNHS demo:

No Cuts or Closures
No Privatisation
Fair Pay for NHS staff

We have an exciting platform of speakers confirmed from leading trade unions and councillors to local campaigners and life-long activists, including:

Dr Chaand Nagpaul, Chair of BMA
Sara Gorton, head of Unison health
Ken Loach, BAFTA award winning film director
Julian Bell and Steven Cowan, Council Leaders who have rejected STPs in London


..."


I long suspected there was a political angle to the head of the BMA.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


It’s not that surprising that people that work in professions involving care for others in society gravitate to Labour party as opposed the Tories is it?


Camberley, Surrey
Devonian
17 May 2020 20:20:04


 


Because they are a bunch of middle class hypocrites saying "do as I say", not do as I do. Celebrities fly across oceans to take part in XR and they fail to see the irony.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


My god, you really lap the propaganda fed you don't you. Sad.


Exceptions are simply that. If you think exceptions are the rule then bigger fool you.

Devonian
17 May 2020 20:22:05


 


Nothing wrong with campaigning for a better world. The problem with XR is they are hypocrites. How many of them would be prepared to live in the poverty they want to keep billions of other people in? There's absolutely nothing stopping them giving away all their money and belongings and living in a hut with the rest of their family and dying from indoor air pollution because they have no other option but to burn wood or dung for fuel. If they want to stop people using the resources that lift them out of that poverty the least they can do is live in it themselves.


And yes I've loved the quiet, the clean air and the birdsong during lockdown but a big part of that has been a result of people not being able to work and earn money to survive. We can't just stop people working but hopefully many people will have found they can work in a different way through technology. Economic growth isn't the problem, the problem is the mismanagement of resources. Maybe we will learn some lessons from lockdown?


Originally Posted by: Northern Sky 

Your second line is bollox you've lapped up like MM does, (the third a lie), I didn't bother with the rest.

Essan
17 May 2020 20:24:25


My god, you really lap the propaganda fed you don't you. Sad.


Exceptions are simply that. If you think exceptions are the rule then bigger fool you.


Originally Posted by: Devonian 



To be fair, stories like this don't exactly help 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/let-airlines-fail-or-else-say-extinction-rebellion-activists-h3dvtc906


(behind a pay wall, but I think the headline and open paragraph are what captures the attention)

I believe, what is alleged,  is called terrorism 


Andy
Evesham, Worcs, Albion - 35m asl
Weather & Earth Science News 

Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job - DNA
Saint Snow
17 May 2020 20:31:35


 


Totally off-topic and in the wrong season but your post made me think of the joke about the Eton-themed Advent calendar (where all the doors are opened by my dad’s contacts) . Apologies for the random interjection.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


 



I chuckled at that.


And it reminds me of the Brexit advent calendar, where each day another door closes.



Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
Saint Snow
17 May 2020 20:32:42





Yes, that sounds like class envy to me     Or rather money envy.


Maybe never ever having much gives you a different perspective?  But thankfully I don't give a toss about such people and really don't envy them at all.  I just find it odd some other people do.   But, each to their own.   


Originally Posted by: Essan 


That 'whoosh' sound you heard a bit ago... that was my point sailing over your head.



Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
Northern Sky
17 May 2020 20:33:16


Your second line is bollox you've lapped up like MM does, (the third a lie), I didn't bother with the rest.


Originally Posted by: Devonian 


So how do you propose to lift people out of poverty? How are you going to provide the energy they need? Why aren't XR (you) prepared to lower your living standards and consumption to the level of billions of people across the world. 


 


 

KevBrads1
17 May 2020 20:34:24



 




Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Morgan tried that tactic in the US with gun ownership and he was the one that ended up being fired. He's right though but his trouble is he is a windbag, going on and on to make a point or put a question. Short sharp questions not windbaggery.


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Justin W
17 May 2020 20:35:35


 



Originally Posted by: Northern Sky 


I despair of people like you. All judgement and no answers. It really is so dispiriting.


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Saint Snow
17 May 2020 20:45:26




Why, when other European countries are firing up their economies, do we remain the most timorous of all the electorates polled?


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


 


Because Bozo and Cummings dithered whilst other nations were imposing restrictions. Because Bozo went to the 'rugger' and told everyone that mass gatherings were fine, so quarter of a million went to Cheltenham, tens of thousands went to gigs, and 3,000 people from one of the most 'infection hotspot' cities on the planet were welcomed into one of the UK's major cities. Because this government failed to prepare when the warning signs flashed in January that this could well be that global pandemic scientists have warned us about, so didn't procure adequate PPE for health workers, didn't order & fund a massive expansion of testing facilities. Because the government completely ignored the plight of care homes and continued to allow an overstretched NHS to discharge Covid-infected pensioners back into unsuspecting care homes without bothering to test them. Because Bozo and his nationalist nitwits saw an opportunity with the VE75 commemorations to ramp up the nationalism levels amongst the plebs, leading to social distancing being abandoned in a red, white & blue fog alcohol and bbq fumes.


 



Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
Northern Sky
17 May 2020 20:46:13


 


I despair of people like you. All judgement and no answers. It really is so dispiriting.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Says the most sanctimonious poster on TWO. Tell me what answers you think XR have?


 

Saint Snow
17 May 2020 20:49:47





I do hope that some people at least will learn from this; discover the difference between want and need, and that actually, what they really need isn't all about money and material possession.  And that they already have more than they need, if only they look.    We'll see.

I'd love to think the environmental benefits will persist too, but am less confidence about that.   More cars about today then I have seen in 2 months .....


Originally Posted by: Essan 


 


We get one chance at life; four-score and twenty years give or take. After that, nothing. Our brains - and therefore minds and consciousness - cease to function and we become urn-ballast or worm food.


So whilst meandering through our lives, what is wrong with a bit of wanting a bit of fun, a bit of luxury, a bit of excess?


I think most people know very well the difference between 'need' and 'want'. They just don't want an existence that only fulfils needs and ignores wants.



Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
Roger Parsons
17 May 2020 20:55:11


Says the most sanctimonious poster on TWO. Tell me what answers you think XR have?


Originally Posted by: Northern Sky 


NS, perhaps there are no answers, except to fulfill a self-affirming need to demonstrate, much as the Vietnam Solidarity Campaign did in the 60s. There will be something reassuringly worse to worry about by the time today's infants reach 20. Vietnam's doing rather well now - but is it thanks to the VSC?


R.


RogerP
West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire
Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.
William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830

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