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DEW
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07 June 2020 08:33:54

I finally got out for a walk on the Downs this week - first time since March with our daughter looking after Rhoda - and was appalled to see the effect of ash dieback. The tree in the photo is only one of dozens of ashes on this bit of hillside,


The view is looking east from Duncton Down near Petworth with - possibly - Ashdown Forest in the far distance


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War does not determine who is right, only who is left - Bertrand Russell

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Gandalf The White
07 June 2020 08:37:57


I finally got out for a walk on the Downs this week - first time since March with our daughter looking after Rhoda - and was appalled to see the effect of ash dieback. The tree in the photo is only one of dozens of ashes on this bit of hillside,


The view is looking east from Duncton Down near Petworth with - possibly - Ashdown Forest in the far distance


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Originally Posted by: DEW 


We've just had to have four Ash trees taken down in our garden because they've died; fortunately only one of them was a large mature tree but they've left a bit of hole.

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Justin W
07 June 2020 08:55:17

Good thread, David.


About 75-80% of ash trees on our part of the North Downs have died or are dying from dieback. What is surprising is the large number which appear unaffected. Many more than I expected. 

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07 June 2020 09:02:52
They seem to become unstable due to unseen effects on the roots while there is still some life in the branches.
A few round here have just keeled over - of some concern as they are common along roadsides.
Older trees seem to hang on longer it's the ones which were growing more vigorously now mainly obviously dead and dying.
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Devonian
07 June 2020 09:24:31

I'd say <25% dead or close here. Most show signs though. Like the elm, who cares? Just a few of us. I wouldn't like to put a % on the number of people who even know what an ash tree is...


Cv might be the kick up the arse humanity needs but I doubt it.


Still, I'll continue to do my bit, where I can . I was only thinking yesterday that what this country needs is a 'Knepp' in every county. That is really all - and wouldn't it be wonderful!! Too much to ask though...

Roger Parsons
07 June 2020 09:32:42


I'd say <25% dead or close here. Most show signs though. Like the elm, who cares? Just a few of us. I wouldn't like to put a % on the number of people who even know what an ash tree is...


Cv might be the kick up the arse humanity needs but I doubt it.


Still, I'll continue to do my bit, where I can . I was only thinking yesterday that what this country needs is a 'Knepp' in every county. That is really all - and wouldn't it be wonderful!! Too much to ask though...


Originally Posted by: Devonian 


You might find the Forest Research website of value in understanding "Chalara" [Ash Die Back] infection. Useful map and description of life cycle and symptoms.


https://www.forestresearch.gov.uk/tools-and-resources/pest-and-disease-resources/ash-dieback-hymenoscyphus-fraxineus/


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West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire
Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.
William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830
Lionel Hutz
07 June 2020 19:12:21
I have to say that I'm surprised at how much the Chalara has taken hold in England and Wales(not sure about Scotland). Obviously, it's present here but it doesn't seem to have taken hold in the same way as yet. On my more or less annual August holidays to England over the last few years, I have noticed it on occasion, in particular along parts of the M4 in South Wales. I wonder whether the Chalara is more infectious in warmer and dryer places which would explain how it seems to be taking hold more slowly on our side of the Irish Sea? Another possibility is that some of the spread is direct by air from the Continent. It is well known that it has been brought in on imported stock from other countries. However, in the early stages of the disease in England, there was a much higher incidence of the disease in East Anglia and Kent than elsewhere which suggests direct spread from the Continent.
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Lionel Hutz
07 June 2020 19:18:22


I'd say <25% dead or close here. Most show signs though. Like the elm, who cares? Just a few of us. I wouldn't like to put a % on the number of people who even know what an ash tree is...


Cv might be the kick up the arse humanity needs but I doubt it.


Still, I'll continue to do my bit, where I can . I was only thinking yesterday that what this country needs is a 'Knepp' in every county. That is really all - and wouldn't it be wonderful!! Too much to ask though...


Originally Posted by: Devonian 


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Yes, I read a good book about Knepp, it's quite inspiring what they have achieved there. As you say, if only there were more.

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Roger Parsons
07 June 2020 20:44:52

I have to say that I'm surprised at how much the Chalara has taken hold in England and Wales(not sure about Scotland). Obviously, it's present here but it doesn't seem to have taken hold in the same way as yet. On my more or less annual August holidays to England over the last few years, I have noticed it on occasion, in particular along parts of the M4 in South Wales. I wonder whether the Chalara is more infectious in warmer and dryer places which would explain how it seems to be taking hold more slowly on our side of the Irish Sea? Another possibility is that some of the spread is direct by air from the Continent. It is well known that it has been brought in on imported stock from other countries. However, in the early stages of the disease in England, there was a much higher incidence of the disease in East Anglia and Kent than elsewhere which suggests direct spread from the Continent.

Originally Posted by: Lionel Hutz 


A local nursery was part of the story, Lionel - see The Daily Maul 4 November 2012:


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2227467/Ash-tree-grower-suing-government-200-000-destroying-50-000-trees-following-disease.html


Includes a good piece by the late Oliver Rackham who knew this area well and surveyed our local limewoods. His obit below:


https://www.economist.com/obituary/2015/03/12/into-the-woods


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RogerP
West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire
Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.
William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830
Lionel Hutz
07 June 2020 21:26:00


 


A local nursery was part of the story, Lionel - see The Daily Maul 4 November 2012:


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2227467/Ash-tree-grower-suing-government-200-000-destroying-50-000-trees-following-disease.html


Includes a good piece by the late Oliver Rackham who knew this area well and surveyed our local limewoods. His obit below:


https://www.economist.com/obituary/2015/03/12/into-the-woods


Roger


 


 


Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 


Thanks, Roger, anything by Rackham is worth a read - I have 3 of his books! Ultimately, ash will survive the Chalara. However,  there's a worse hazard on the way. While Chalara kills the majority of ash, the emerald ash borer will wipe out the species if/when it reaches these shores. Will add a link tomorrow(if I remember😉).

Lionel Hutz
Nr.Waterford , S E Ireland
68m ASL



Northern Sky
08 June 2020 11:55:07


 


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Yes, I read a good book about Knepp, it's quite inspiring what they have achieved there. As you say, if only there were more.


Originally Posted by: Lionel Hutz 


Wilding? If so it's an inspirational book. And I very much agree with you and Dev, there should be a Knepp in every county.


On Ash dieback, there is evidence of it around here but I'd say it's about 25% of trees at the moment and there are examples of infected trees standing next to others which appear totally unaffected. 

Lionel Hutz
08 June 2020 13:35:25


 


Wilding? If so it's an inspirational book. And I very much agree with you and Dev, there should be a Knepp in every county.


On Ash dieback, there is evidence of it around here but I'd say it's about 25% of trees at the moment and there are examples of infected trees standing next to others which appear totally unaffected. 


Originally Posted by: Northern Sky 


That's the one. I have a vague recollection that either you recommended it to me or else the other way round. I may be completely wrong about that, though.


 

Lionel Hutz
Nr.Waterford , S E Ireland
68m ASL



DEW
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08 June 2020 21:35:45

Photos from the Knepp estate - It's not far from here. Unfortunately I didn't have a camera with me when I met the Old English horned cattle; I'm told they're very docile but it didn't look it!


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Free-roaming deer incl stag



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The original castle, next to the A24



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Present-day stately home

War does not determine who is right, only who is left - Bertrand Russell

Chichester 12m asl
Northern Sky
09 June 2020 17:40:06


 


That's the one. I have a vague recollection that either you recommended it to me or else the other way round. I may be completely wrong about that, though.


 


Originally Posted by: Lionel Hutz 


Yeah I can remember you mentioning it but I can't remember which one of us recommended it 


Who cares, it's a wonderful book.

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