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Heavy Weather 2013
06 August 2020 05:15:27
Arome is now in range and is showing 37C in the west of London.
Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Retron
06 August 2020 05:43:47


Looks like they have tweaked it to 36C now. 


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


I doubt there's much tweaking going on at this time of day... I'd suggest it's more likely the newer UKV run came out in the meantime.


(IIRC they're run every 3 hours, hence the relatively common bobbing up and down of temperature forecasts during the day).


EDIT: Here we go:


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/approach/modelling-systems/unified-model/weather-forecasting


UKV:


- run hourly out to 12 hours (unless shown below).


- run at 00z, 06z, 09z, 12z, 18z, 21z to 54 hours.


- run at 03z and 15z out to 120 hours.


 I suspect the 03z run was what changed the forecast... I'm guessing it takes a little while for them to update. All eyes on the 06z update!


 


Leysdown, north Kent
Heavy Weather 2013
06 August 2020 06:01:30


 


I doubt there's much tweaking going on at this time of day... I'd suggest it's more likely the newer UKV run came out in the meantime.


(IIRC they're run every 3 hours, hence the relatively common bobbing up and down of temperature forecasts during the day).


EDIT: Here we go:


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/approach/modelling-systems/unified-model/weather-forecasting


UKV:


- run hourly out to 12 hours (unless shown below).


- run at 00z, 06z, 09z, 12z, 18z, 21z to 54 hours.


- run at 03z and 15z out to 120 hours.


 I suspect the 03z run was what changed the forecast... I'm guessing it takes a little while for them to update. All eyes on the 06z update!


 


Originally Posted by: Retron 


Thats real useful info Darren. Thanks. 


Most sites starting the crystallise around the 36C—37C now. Astonishing really. We could still get the FOURTH hottest day ever recorded.


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Rob K
06 August 2020 08:51:29

There seem to have been some subtle changes in the model output to delay/moderate the start of the heat but make it last longer. Arpege now goes for 35C max tomorrow (actually checking the TWO charts there is still one solitary 36C gridpoint), but it is now up to 35C for both Saturday and Sunday.

Overnight lows look pretty remarkable with 21C or 22C possible along the south coast.


 


GFS goes two degrees higher on Saturday than on Friday:


Fri 33, Sat 35, Sun 33, Mon 34, Tue 33, Wed 32.


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
The Beast from the East
06 August 2020 09:05:15

Horrific stuff. My fridge is already giving trouble and perhaps will pack up due to this


Lots of drunk fools will be out on the streets as well


 


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Heavy Weather 2013
06 August 2020 09:32:01
MetOffice have just tweeted and they are going for 37C tomorrow.
Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Quantum
06 August 2020 09:40:44

Arpege ensembles imply a ~50% chance of >35C on Friday


20% chance of >35C on Saturday


5% chance of >35C on Sunday


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
06 August 2020 09:45:30

My gut is that we are all going to be dissapointed on Friday.


That what happened last week was wierd, and exceptional. And this will turn out to be a normal heatwave as the uppers imply.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
superteacher
06 August 2020 09:49:08


My gut is that we are all going to be dissapointed on Friday.


That what happened last week was wierd, and exceptional. And this will turn out to be a normal heatwave as the uppers imply.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 

Yes, mid 30s for potentially 5 days is a normal heatwave. . . 😂😂

Quantum
06 August 2020 09:52:03


Yes, mid 30s for potentially 5 days is a normal heatwave. . . 😂😂


Originally Posted by: superteacher 


May be wrong but I doubt we will see mid 30s for 5 days. Certainly Friday but I doubt we will get close to the record like we did last week.


Tbh though it kinda feels like mid 30s is the new normal, I can't remember the last time we didn't see mid 30s at least once per summer.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Rob K
06 August 2020 10:16:50
Yes I think there is close to zero chance of an all-time record tomorrow. The 850mb temps are only about 18C according to Arpege tomorrow afternoon. By Sunday they are up to 21C. I wonder if the forecast temps for Sat and Sun might get revised up.

My gut feeling is that we will reach somewhere between 35.5 and 36.2 tomorrow, but it might not be the hottest day of the spell.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
warrenb
06 August 2020 10:19:52
Heavy Weather 2013
06 August 2020 10:25:11

GFS 06z shows unreal heat:


Friday: 34C


Saturday: 34C


Sunday: 33C


Monday: 33C


Tuesday: 34C


Wednesday: 34c


Thursday: 34C


Friday: 29C


Adjusting for local conditions and model resolution temperatures could well be higher. 


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Rob K
06 August 2020 10:32:04


GFS 06z shows unreal heat:


Friday: 34C


Saturday: 34C


Sunday: 33C


Monday: 33C


Tuesday: 34C


Wednesday: 34c


Thursday: 34C


Friday: 29C


Adjusting for local conditions and model resolution temperatures could well be higher. 


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


That sort of heat is what GFS was showing a few days ago, before dropping it and showing a quick breakdown by Sunday. Now it's flipped back to what it was showing originally. Funny how often that happens.


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
superteacher
06 August 2020 10:43:15
And those GFS values are raw temps I believe.
Heavy Weather 2013
06 August 2020 10:45:59
It reminds me of 2003 this.

Everyone though the UK record would go on the Wednesday. Then Saturday night showed +20C 850s and we broke the record on the Sunday.

Rob I think your not far off in your thoughts, we may have a second chance in a few days.
Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Heavy Weather 2013
06 August 2020 10:53:26

Have the Metoffice released a heatwave warning yet. Surely this qualifies.


EDIT: I can see they have. Does anyone know the criteria for a Level 4 - Emergency?


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Heavy Weather 2013
06 August 2020 11:03:33
Arome 06z has a 38C grid point in West London
Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Gusty
06 August 2020 11:12:11

A very difficult week ahead. 


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Gavin D
06 August 2020 11:17:06

A level 3 heatwave alert is in place for; East of England, London, South East England and the South West


Current watch level: Level 3 - Heatwave Action


Issued at: 08:47 on Thu 6 Aug 2020


There is a 90 % probability of Heat-Health criteria being met between 1200 on Thursday and 2100 on Tuesday in parts of England.


This alert updates that issued at 10:53 Tuesday 04 August. The alert has been extended in time for all previously affected regions of England, now extending to Tuesday. The alert level has increased for Southwest England, as confidence in hot weather and warm nights affecting at least the far east of the region has now increased. The alert level in all other regions remains unchanged. Hot or very hot conditions are likely across southern, central, and eastern parts of England from Friday as warm air spreads north from France. These conditions are likely to persist into the weekend, perhaps being eroded from the northwest by less hot and cloudier conditions for a time, with the slight releiving conditions currently probably reaching a southern limit over central parts of England. Hot or very hot conditions may then extend further northwest again early next week, but with an increasing risk of some heavy and thundery showers developing that will add significant uncertainty and limit the range to which this alert can be issued. Given this uncertainty, there is potential for this alert to be extended in time again near expiry, with this more likely for regions further south and east in England. This forecast is under daily review, but with an update most likely to start the new working week.


An update will be issued when the alert level changes in any region. Alerts are issued once a day by 0900 if required and are not subject to amendment in between standard issue times. Note that the details of the forecast weather are valid at the time of issue but may change over the period that an alert remains in force. These details will not be updated here unless the alert level also changes, the latest forecast details can be obtained at the following link: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast/#?tab=map


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/heat-health/?tab=heatHealth&season=normal#?tab=heatHealth


 


A level 2 heatwave alert is in place for East Midlands only


No heatwave alert is in place for; West Midlands, North West England, North East England and Yorkshire and the Humber

Justin W
06 August 2020 11:39:29


A very difficult week ahead. 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


Exactly. Grim.


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
TimS
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06 August 2020 11:52:15
Will we manage 30C today? Would be useful priming for tomorrow. Slow start this morning with lots of cloud. The max so far seems to be Headcorn at 26C.
Brockley, South East London 30m asl
Rob K
06 August 2020 12:00:13
I think we will scrape 30C today. Yesterday's max was 28.4C at Santon Downham and I think east will be best again today.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Jiries
06 August 2020 12:11:39

Will we manage 30C today? Would be useful priming for tomorrow. Slow start this morning with lots of cloud. The max so far seems to be Headcorn at 26C.

Originally Posted by: TimS 


Cloud is the most massive issue and kept interfering when we don't want it or on the process to have a heatwave. now is after 1pm and haven't cleared but it was clear all night for what? why bother to come now right after sun rise which his the common behavior this year?  It warm here but air quality very poor.  Was it clear this morning over your area?

TimS
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  • Advanced Member
06 August 2020 12:17:01
Now 27C at Headcorn. Still only 24/25 at Heathrow and LCY and across East Anglia. It should shoot up widely IF the cloud clears sufficiently and early enough from the South. Early enough I think means 2.30ish at latest.
Brockley, South East London 30m asl

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