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redmoons
14 July 2022 11:27:45


 


 


Yes. Still 23.9c.


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Thanks, higher possibility of being broken next week. One of the longest heat records that haven't been broken recently.

Andrew,
Watford
ASL 35m
http://weather.andrewlalchan.co.uk 





TimS
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14 July 2022 11:28:16


I don’t know why John Hammond even try’s with these people.

https://twitter.com/gbnews/status/1547535837272883200?s=21&t=-ooCiZgN0EfpMTaSL6BRtw

Look at the comments in the thread, more nut jobs who refuse to believe experts and who harp back that good old days.


A lot of these people will carry on like anymore normal day and then probably end up in hospital.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


The same people will be casting their membership ballots for our next PM in a couple of months time. 

Brockley, South East London 30m asl
Rob K
14 July 2022 11:59:02


I don’t know why John Hammond even try’s with these people.

https://twitter.com/gbnews/status/1547535837272883200?s=21&t=-ooCiZgN0EfpMTaSL6BRtw

Look at the comments in the thread, more nut jobs who refuse to believe experts and who harp back that good old days.


A lot of these people will carry on like anymore normal day and then probably end up in hospital.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Never mind the heat, Twitter is always guaranteed to raise my blood pressure. Never before in human history have so many idiots spouted so much nonsense.


 


Anyway, until we get onto UK heatwatch in a few days, I am keeping an eye on the Spanish temperatures here: https://www.aemet.es/en/eltiempo/observacion/ultimosdatos?k=esp&w=1&datos=det


41.8C the peak so far today. National record is 47.4.

Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
LeedsLad123
14 July 2022 12:51:04


I don’t know why John Hammond even try’s with these people.

https://twitter.com/gbnews/status/1547535837272883200?s=21&t=-ooCiZgN0EfpMTaSL6BRtw

Look at the comments in the thread, more nut jobs who refuse to believe experts and who harp back that good old days.


A lot of these people will carry on like anymore normal day and then probably end up in hospital.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


I’ll have little sympathy for them if they do.

Whitkirk, Leeds - 85m ASL.
LeedsLad123
14 July 2022 13:00:26


Met Office have 34°C here for Tuesday. Off of past experiences, you can usually add a degree or two to that, so 35°C maybe even 36°C? Pretty extraordinary for rural Northern England!


A minimum of 23°C for Monday night too!


Originally Posted by: Bolty 


Yes the BBC have 35C for Monday and 36C for Tuesday here. Mst Office showing 35C on Tuesday. iPhone weather app showing 37C. These forecasts have started reflecting model output now. I have never seen a temperature as high as 37C forecast for Leeds before.

Whitkirk, Leeds - 85m ASL.
Gavin D
14 July 2022 13:25:42
The COBRA meeting has concluded, warnings at this stage remain unchanged.


They say temperatures are most likely in the mid to high-30s, with a smaller possibility that they could exceed that and possibly hit 40c
CreweCold
14 July 2022 13:49:31


I don’t know why John Hammond even try’s with these people.

https://twitter.com/gbnews/status/1547535837272883200?s=21&t=-ooCiZgN0EfpMTaSL6BRtw

Look at the comments in the thread, more nut jobs who refuse to believe experts and who harp back that good old days.


A lot of these people will carry on like anymore normal day and then probably end up in hospital.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


I have a lot of respect for John, if he’s concerned then others should be too. I’ve no idea how he kept his professional cool with that patronising line of questioning but the guy is ice cold. Top forecaster.


Crewe, Cheshire
55 metres above sea level
CreweCold
14 July 2022 13:50:32

The COBRA meeting has concluded, warnings at this stage remain unchanged.


They say temperatures are most likely in the mid to high-30s, with a smaller possibility that they could exceed that and possibly hit 40c

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


It’s nonsense, we’re quite clearly hitting 40c early next week.


Crewe, Cheshire
55 metres above sea level
Heavy Weather 2013
14 July 2022 13:52:17


 


It’s nonsense, we’re quite clearly hitting 40c early next week.


Originally Posted by: CreweCold 


I bet the Level 4 warning was discussed, but as ever HMG will be slow. MetOffice will issue a red.

Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Quantum
14 July 2022 13:59:28


 


I bet the Level 4 warning was discussed, but as ever HMG will be slow. MetOffice will issue a red.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


We are currently in the Amber square just below red (High impact, but only moderate risk)


Moderate risk will upgrade to high with greater certainty assuming the more extreme side of the ensembles are right.


 

2024/2025 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 3 days with snow/sleet falling
18/11 (-6), 19/11 (-6), 23/11 (-2)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)
2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.
18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)
2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
westv
14 July 2022 14:08:13


 


I have a lot of respect for John, if he’s concerned then others should be too. I’ve no idea how he kept his professional cool with that patronising line of questioning but the guy is ice cold. Top forecaster.


Originally Posted by: CreweCold 


Wouldn't it have been better if he had urged people to keep an eye on their elderly neighbours/relatives?

At least it will be mild!
Retron
14 July 2022 14:10:38


 


We are currently in the Amber square just below red (High impact, but only moderate risk)


Moderate risk will upgrade to high with greater certainty assuming the more extreme side of the ensembles are right.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


It'll go red once they can be issued (think it's 24 hours max for those).


The wording matches the text for red, rather than amber.


(The last time this happened was with Eunice - started as amber, but with red wording. Went red at the last minute!)

Leysdown, north Kent
westv
14 July 2022 14:11:00


 


Yes the BBC have 35C for Monday and 36C for Tuesday here. Mst Office showing 35C on Tuesday. iPhone weather app showing 37C. These forecasts have started reflecting model output now. I have never seen a temperature as high as 37C forecast for Leeds before.


Originally Posted by: LeedsLad123 


A more modest 33c (BBC) and 31c (Met) here.

At least it will be mild!
CreweCold
14 July 2022 14:16:25


 


It'll go red once they can be issued (think it's 24 hours max for those).


The wording matches the text for red, rather than amber.


(The last time this happened was with Eunice - started as amber, but with red wording. Went red at the last minute!)


Originally Posted by: Retron 


Why impose a timeline of when the warning can go red? Possibly one of the more silly things wrt these warnings. People only really tend to take notice when a red is issued. 


Crewe, Cheshire
55 metres above sea level
Zubzero
14 July 2022 14:19:44

My app now showing  104f for both Monday and Tuesday  wow

Rob K
14 July 2022 14:27:06


 


A more modest 33c (BBC) and 31c (Met) here.


Originally Posted by: westv 

And yet your area is the peak of the heat on the models.


 


iPhone app has ticked up to 36 Monday 37 Tuesday for London.

Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
TimS
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  • Advanced Member Topic Starter
14 July 2022 14:55:43

Weatheronline as always leading the bonkers pack with its 8 day forecast for London. 43C on Monday (33C on Sunday, 37 on Tuesday). Unrealistic sunshine amounts too, 14.4 hours on both days.


 

Brockley, South East London 30m asl
nsrobins
14 July 2022 15:10:41


Weatheronline as always leading the bonkers pack with its 8 day forecast for London. 43C on Monday (33C on Sunday, 37 on Tuesday). Unrealistic sunshine amounts too, 14.4 hours on both days.


 


Originally Posted by: TimS 


Why is the sunshine total unrealistic? There’s about 16hrs available and a cirrus veil won’t compromise the trace. 


 


 

Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
CreweCold
14 July 2022 15:19:45
Told my mum to be careful on Monday and Tuesday. Nearing 60 and works in a kitchen.

Her response was ‘is it really that big of a deal, it’s only you going on about it’.

This is why a red should already have been issued IMO.

Crewe, Cheshire
55 metres above sea level
Heavy Weather 2013
14 July 2022 15:32:19
I’ve been battling with people all afternoon, the usually lines

‘1976 was hotter’
‘Its summer’
‘We’ve had heatwaves before’
‘Media Scaremongering’
‘Other countries have heat like this all the time’

People really have no idea and understand how hot 40C and successive days.

They all think it’s like when there on a beach on holiday sipping ice cold cocktails. And I am sorry, it’s seems to always be the same people who refused to wear masks. Sorry if that’s a generalisation. It’s like the GB news crowd.
Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Rob K
14 July 2022 15:36:06

I’ve been battling with people all afternoon, the usually lines

‘1976 was hotter’
‘Its summer’
‘We’ve had heatwaves before’
‘Media Scaremongering’
‘Other countries have heat like this all the time’

People really have no idea and understand how hot 40C and successive days.

They all think it’s like when there on a beach on holiday sipping ice cold cocktails. And I am sorry, it’s seems to always be the same people who refused to wear masks. Sorry if that’s a generalisation. It’s like the GB news crowd.

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


It's not a generalisation. It's the people who "know their rights" and won't be told what to do, but will be the first to complain if an ambulance isn't available immediately when they collapse from heat stroke.


It was my daughter's school leavers' service this afternoon but they don't break up till next Thursday. I was talking to the teachers and said a Level 4 is all but inevitable and the schools may have to close. They seemed happy enough with the prospect - the kids have been struggling already this week with temperatures barely above 30C here. The primary school is of the classic 1960s flat-roof greenhouse school of design.

Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
CreweCold
14 July 2022 15:37:44

I’ve been battling with people all afternoon, the usually lines

‘1976 was hotter’
‘Its summer’
‘We’ve had heatwaves before’
‘Media Scaremongering’
‘Other countries have heat like this all the time’

People really have no idea and understand how hot 40C and successive days.

They all think it’s like when there on a beach on holiday sipping ice cold cocktails. And I am sorry, it’s seems to always be the same people who refused to wear masks. Sorry if that’s a generalisation. It’s like the GB news crowd.

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


It’ll certainly be bittersweet when the severity of the situation dawns on them at some point on Monday.


Crewe, Cheshire
55 metres above sea level
John p
14 July 2022 15:41:33
So - we have a few days to prepare.

Anyone want to share tips to keep cool on both days (and particularly to get some sleep on Monday night!).

I’ll be keeping all south facing curtains closed (I think it’s also best to keep windows closed as outside temp likely higher than inside).

Isn’t there one about hanging a cold wet towel in front of a fan? Also spraying water on the bed sheets?

Any tips gratefully received (and no, I can’t afford to buy aircons for all the bedrooms at the moment!).
Camberley, Surrey
Brian Gaze
14 July 2022 15:42:00
A concern is the red will be issued at the weekend which makes it more difficult for some businessess to make plans. One potential problem is the London Underground. If a tube train without air conditioning gets stuck in a tunnel during the Monday afternoon rush hour the outcome could be awful.
Brian Gaze
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CreweCold
14 July 2022 15:45:49

A concern is the red will be issued at the weekend which makes it more difficult for some businessess to make plans. One potential problem is the London Underground. If a tube train without air conditioning gets stuck in a tunnel during the Monday afternoon rush hour the outcome could be awful.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


This is why it’s ridiculous if there’s only a 24 hr lead time on a red warning. A situation as you describe would be entirely avoidable by shutting the tube down.


Crewe, Cheshire
55 metres above sea level

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