Twitter is a total cesspit of bile. Perfectly possible /reasonable to have knowledge of past heatwaves and an appreciation of the importance of long term trends over individual very hot days, without being a "climate change denier"
In a way that guy has stooped to their level

Originally Posted by: Spring Sun Winter Dread 

Leconfield field now 42c for Tuesday on the Met Office App!
That is just crazy!

Originally Posted by: scillydave 

I think it’s more that people are saying “it was much hotter in the 70s” to minimise the effects of 40C. It never even reached 36C in the whole 1970s. 

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

Max in 76 was 35c

Originally Posted by: westv 

Max in 76 was 35c
I imagine, for most people, the difference between 35c and 40c is being bl**dy hot and being bl**dy hot!

Originally Posted by: westv 

1976 also had the 15 straight days of somewhere in the UK topping 32C... that for me would be alot more significant than a couple of days in the late 30s today especially against the prevailing summer climate of the time.
The key difference is that it was then a once in 100 year anomaly whereas now we come close to beating it seemingly every 5 years or so... And I am sure in my lifetime it will be comprehensively beaten in the CET records.

Originally Posted by: Spring Sun Winter Dread 

While the temps will be dangerous and the warnings are very much justified, I don't think this heatwave will be a big killer for several reasons:

• it's short lived (~48h) and people and buildings have cooled down over the last 3 days


• humidity will be low making it much more bearable esp in the absence of manual work and prolonged exposure in the sun


• more awareness due to the warnings and publicity

Most deaths will probably occur on Tuesday after the difficult Mon night.

Tuesday will be a blowdryer day across most parts of England with the low humidity, searing heat and the gusty wind.

Originally Posted by: xioni2 

Max in 76 was 35c
I imagine, for most people, the difference between 35c and 40c is being bl**dy hot and being bl**dy hot!

Originally Posted by: westv 

While the temps will be dangerous and the warnings are very much justified, I don't think this heatwave will be a big killer for several reasons:

• it's short lived (~48h) and people and buildings have cooled down over the last 3 days


• humidity will be low making it much more bearable esp in the absence of manual work and prolonged exposure in the sun


• more awareness due to the warnings and publicity

Most deaths will probably occur on Tuesday after the difficult Mon night.

Tuesday will be a blowdryer day across most parts of England with the low humidity, searing heat and the gusty wind.

Originally Posted by: xioni2 

1976 also had the 15 straight days of somewhere in the UK topping 32C... that for me would be alot more significant than a couple of days in the late 30s today especially against the prevailing summer climate of the time.
The key difference is that it was then a once in 100 year anomaly whereas now we come close to beating it seemingly every 5 years or so... And I am sure in my lifetime it will be comprehensively beaten in the CET records.

Originally Posted by: Spring Sun Winter Dread 

Don't know what the humidity was like in 76 but this time around it is looking to be fairly low. I was looking at some of the automated forecasts last night and despite highs of 38/39 the real feel was closer to 3131/32 so not that bad. 

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 

 Put it this way, if we beat 40°C next week, I think it will happen again before this decade is over.

Originally Posted by: Bolty 

43-44C looks doable in this country.

Funnily even Tuesday's setup would have produced 43-44 if there were some decent mountains north of London due to the katabatic wind. There will still be plenty of that effect even from the Downs so I expect London to be hotter than what most models show on late Tue morning and early afternoon.

Originally Posted by: xioni2 

Don't know what the humidity was like in 76 but this time around it is looking to be fairly low. I was looking at some of the automated forecasts last night and despite highs of 38/39 the real feel was closer to 3131/32 so not that bad. 

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 

The difference is stark: 35C is hot and at 40C you will cook, slowly.

Ambient temperatures that are above body temperature are deadly.

Originally Posted by: Retron 

A little context with the 1976 comparisons. I was 13 - I remember it well and have detailed records. The primary factor was the lack of rainfall and drought conditions prompted special measures by the middle of July. The heat peaked early July with 35.9C in Cheltenham on the 3rd. I lived near Portsmouth and yes it was hot at times with many days exceeding 30C (but rarely above 33C) but with low humidity most of the time it was liveable. Most of the Summer holidays spent exploring the countryside, river swimming, etc and watering the plants with bath water. 

The forecast heat Mon/Tues, however short-lived, is a factor above anything 1976 delivered and will cause problems. Once the air temp exceeds body temp there is a sudden depreciation in your body’s ability to keep cool and heat stroke becomes a much bigger problem. 

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

Is that factoring in the dodgy station? 😀

I really hope they have fixed the problem there. It would be annoying if it was the true hot spot but we never got an accurate reading. 

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

TWO comes into its own on situations like this. I know this forum isn't as busy as it used to be but it is 1000 times above social media. The intelligence level of people on Facebook weather groups is appauling, I do wonder why half of them are even members, many of them don't have an interest in the weather and dismiss everything as 'just summer, winter etc' or post false information or let blind nostalgia get in the way of facts.

There really is no hope for civilisation. Anyone ever proposing another referendum on anything, would do well to check such groups as a reminder of the level of people they are asking to make a decision .

Originally Posted by: Tim A 

Can’t believe how many idiots there are all over social media, doing down this upcoming heat. A lot saying it’s normal because it’s summer. They simply don’t get it do they?!

Originally Posted by: CreweCold 

 I feel your pain and I steer clear of social media these days for that reason.  I only use two Facebook groups, a holiday one and our community one and I sometimes cringe at the latter.  

One person posted about the heatwave and quoted a local paper that says Met O have an amber warning. Yesterday morning I replied that we actually have a red warning and it’s serious stuff.  Not a single person has replied or commented. Yet dozens were kept awake Thursday night by cows mooing and last night by fireworks going off at 10 pm. I wonder what will keep them awake Monday night. 

Originally Posted by: Caz