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John p
16 July 2022 12:51:08


Can’t believe how many idiots there are all over social media, doing down this upcoming heat. A lot saying it’s normal because it’s summer. They simply don’t get it do they?!


Originally Posted by: CreweCold 


And just as happened with covidiots, some of these will be lying in a hospital corridor by Tuesday night.  Probably complaining they weren’t warned. 

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Bolty
16 July 2022 12:51:25


Can’t believe how many idiots there are all over social media, doing down this upcoming heat. A lot saying it’s normal because it’s summer. They simply don’t get it do they?!


Originally Posted by: CreweCold 


In a way, they're lucky that this is only going to be a 72-hour heat wave, with the most intense heat over a 36-hour period. If it was any longer, I think there would be a lot who would be caught out. Many people obviously don't realise that this is dangerous heat, not your bog-standard summer heat.


Whatever happens, after this, this country really needs to invest in its heat protection. I am nearly certain we will see another 40C+ heat wave before this decade is out, and who knows it could be much longer next time. If it came at the culmination of another 2018-type summer, rather than a more typical one, then I think we would really know about it. Could this be the heat wave that starts getting people to invest in home air conditioning systems?

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Quantum
16 July 2022 12:54:04


 


In a way, they're lucky that this is only going to be a 72-hour heat wave, with the most intense heat over a 36-hour period. If it was any longer, I think there would be a lot who would be caught out. Many people obviously don't realise that this is dangerous heat, not your bog-standard summer heat.


Whatever happens, after this, this country really needs to invest in its heat protection. I am nearly certain we will see another 40C+ heat wave before this decade is out, and who knows it could be much longer next time. If it came at the culmination of another 2018-type summer, rather than a more typical one, then I think we would really know about it. Could this be the heat wave that starts getting people to invest in home air conditioning systems?


Originally Posted by: Bolty 


Its just a depressing intelligence drain, on all sides of the political spectrum.

2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
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16 July 2022 12:56:47


 



Part of me wants maximum temps and impact just to prove these people wrong and for them to take these matters seriously.  


Originally Posted by: Tim A 

I’m ashamed to say part of me feels the same. But my sensible side is more concerned about how to keep our one year old granddaughter cool in such temperatures. 

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xioni2
16 July 2022 12:57:14


Whatever happens, after this, this country really needs to invest in its heat protection. I am nearly certain we will see another 40C+ heat wave before this decade is out, and who knows it could be much longer next time. If it came at the culmination of another 2018-type summer, rather than a more typical one, then I think we would really know about it. Could this be the heat wave that starts getting people to invest in home air conditioning systems?


Originally Posted by: Bolty 


Nothing will be done from the govt or the developers. Even now we are building leaky houses that will need to retrofitted in less than 10 years time.


The rich will gradually install proper A/C in their houses in the next 1-2 decades, while the poor will suffer. 

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16 July 2022 13:00:15


 


In a way, they're lucky that this is only going to be a 72-hour heat wave, with the most intense heat over a 36-hour period. If it was any longer, I think there would be a lot who would be caught out. Many people obviously don't realise that this is dangerous heat, not your bog-standard summer heat.


Whatever happens, after this, this country really needs to invest in its heat protection. I am nearly certain we will see another 40C+ heat wave before this decade is out, and who knows it could be much longer next time. If it came at the culmination of another 2018-type summer, rather than a more typical one, then I think we would really know about it. Could this be the heat wave that starts getting people to invest in home air conditioning systems?


Originally Posted by: Bolty 

We’re having an air source heat pump in our granny annex and will be paying extra for the option to have it reversed to cooling as well. 

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ARTzeman
16 July 2022 13:05:50

Some people have been saying GB needs to insulate dwellings. That will not happen with heatwaves being forecast.





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Bolty
16 July 2022 13:06:35


 


Nothing will be done from the govt or the developers. Even now we are building leaky houses that will need to retrofitted in less than 10 years time.


The rich will gradually install proper A/C in their houses in the next 1-2 decades, while the poor will suffer. 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Sadly, I agree. If there's unlikely to even be a law introducing a maximum working temperature, then a law mandating air conditioning or some other cooling system in new builds or public bulidings is never going to happen...

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Bolty
16 July 2022 13:07:46


Some people have been saying GB needs to insulate dwellings. That will not happen with heatwaves being forecast.


Originally Posted by: ARTzeman 


Good insulation actually works both ways. It keeps you warm in winter, but it can also help keep your house cooler in summer. The only issue is, if you have a lot of windows then you let and trap a lot of the radiation in your home.

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Caz
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16 July 2022 13:11:46


 


Nothing will be done from the govt or the developers. Even now we are building leaky houses that will need to retrofitted in less than 10 years time.


The rich will gradually install proper A/C in their houses in the next 1-2 decades, while the poor will suffer. 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 

With regards to air con, there is currently a government grant of £5,000 towards air source heat pump installation, which can also provide cooling. However, we looked into this for our new build granny annex but we’re not eligible for the grant as it’s attached to our main house. It’s only available if you replace a boiler, or if you self build a separate property and meet high insulation standards.  That excludes housing developments, which is the most stupid thing of all.  No incentive whatsoever to persuade developers to make dwellings comfortable.  


PS - I’m not rich!  

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xioni2
16 July 2022 13:14:40


Some people have been saying GB needs to insulate dwellings. That will not happen with heatwaves being forecast.


Originally Posted by: ARTzeman 


Proper insulated houses stay warm in winter and cool in the summer (they are slower to respond to the outdoor temp). 


The problem goes much further though, there is just no proper thinking or design in mass new build houses in this country.


The sun should stay away from the building in the summer and should come inside during the winter with the use of overhangs etc. We don't use overhangs or balconies. 


External shutters help too, but our windows open outwards (pretty much the only country in Europe which does that) in order to maximise indoor space in our small houses. 


We even keep building flats without cross ventilation, which become heat traps. 


 

andy-manc
16 July 2022 13:16:49
I live in a new build which is well insulated so is great in winter but horrendous in summer. It takes about 3 days after a cool down for the house the follow suit. I'm dreading the nights with a 6 year old and particularly my 2 year old. It's impossible to get her room down to an acceptable temperature even when it gets above 25C, let alone 36C or more
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16 July 2022 13:31:57

I live in a new build which is well insulated so is great in winter but horrendous in summer. It takes about 3 days after a cool down for the house the follow suit. I'm dreading the nights with a 6 year old and particularly my 2 year old. It's impossible to get her room down to an acceptable temperature even when it gets above 25C, let alone 36C or more

Originally Posted by: andy-manc 

Oh lord!  I feel for you with your little one.  It’s such a worry with young children. Our son and daughter-in-law bought a portable air con unit to put in the nursery an hour or so before bedtime.  It worked out well last weekend but temps only got to 32c.

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sunny coast
16 July 2022 13:38:30


Can’t believe how many idiots there are all over social media, doing down this upcoming heat. A lot saying it’s normal because it’s summer. They simply don’t get it do they?!


Originally Posted by: CreweCold 

    yes I've read some if it today on various groups some totally moronic idiotic and ignorant comments indeed . Unbelievable 

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16 July 2022 13:43:17

I had to buy some picture frames for an exhibition at the Range in Dorchester today. I went early as soon as they opened at 8.30am but the shed was already hot inside with some upper fans pushing the air around at high levels. Which made no difference. The temp was already a toasty 27C on the shop floor  and the staff were visibly suffering even at that at early part of the day. They're short staffed too but the customers were patient and understanding which was good to see. That's of course the kind of place where health problems will occur in the coming blast of heat. I was told there is no plan to close the place on Monday. 


New builds. I've heard that in places like parts of Spain and Australia, dwellings aren't built to retain warmth in the winter. Apparently in Melbourne residents sometimes suffer in cold houses in their winter.


Maybe the UK needs to make it mandatory for the current (poor)double glazing to be triple glazed in new properties like the Scandinavian countries do. I've got a thatch roof and it keeps the heat out as long as I keep the windows closed in daytime. I still plan to spend the night under the stars on Monday/Tuesday though.

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Gavin D
16 July 2022 13:48:21
Madrid recorded its warmest night on record with the temperature not dropping below 26.2c overnight into the 14th
Retron
16 July 2022 13:52:31


 Could this be the heat wave that starts getting people to invest in home air conditioning systems?


Originally Posted by: Bolty 


I bought a portable in 2003, after that August heatwave. It changed things entirely - no more sweltering in a 36C room each summer, trying to sleep in a pool of sweat.


That conked out a few years later and I replaced it with a similar-spec model (9000 BTU). That started to struggle too - so I replaced it with a 14000 BTU model (and gave the old one to a friend). It's interesting that I needed to spec a model suited for 35sqm of space just to cool 9 sqm adequately!


I'm getting my electrics sorted for a new car charger in a couple of weeks. Having some spare "ways" on a modern system will make getting proper a/c a doddle in the years to come.


(The portable one I now have is 45p/hour to run. Expensive, but so, so worth it at times like this!)


 

Leysdown, north Kent
Essan
16 July 2022 13:54:32

I still plan to spend the night under the stars on Monday/Tuesday though.


Originally Posted by: NMA 



As I'm not back to work till Wednesday, my plan for Mon night is to simply not worry about sleeping.    May even go for a midnight walk.

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xioni2
16 July 2022 14:01:31


May even go for a midnight walk.


Originally Posted by: Essan 



I plan going for a walk on Mon night, the smell and the feeling in the countryside will be amazing.

Tim A
16 July 2022 14:03:42


I had to buy some picture frames for an exhibition at the Range in Dorchester today. I went early as soon as they opened at 8.30am but the shed was already hot inside with some upper fans pushing the air around at high levels. Which made no difference. The temp was already a toasty 27C on the shop floor  and the staff were visibly suffering even at that at early part of the day. They're short staffed too but the customers were patient and understanding which was good to see. That's of course the kind of place where health problems will occur in the coming blast of heat. I was told there is no plan to close the place on Monday. 


 


Originally Posted by: NMA 


Reminds me of when I stopped to  charge my car in Banbury in May.  Was only about 21c outside but walked into Dunelm and went to the Mezzanine floor and it as sweltering,  in the 30's. Places like that can't be habitable in the next few days. 

Tim
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westv
16 July 2022 14:22:47


 


I bought a portable in 2003, after that August heatwave. It changed things entirely - no more sweltering in a 36C room each summer, trying to sleep in a pool of sweat.


That conked out a few years later and I replaced it with a similar-spec model (9000 BTU). That started to struggle too - so I replaced it with a 14000 BTU model (and gave the old one to a friend). It's interesting that I needed to spec a model suited for 35sqm of space just to cool 9 sqm adequately!


I'm getting my electrics sorted for a new car charger in a couple of weeks. Having some spare "ways" on a modern system will make getting proper a/c a doddle in the years to come.


(The portable one I now have is 45p/hour to run. Expensive, but so, so worth it at times like this!)


 


Originally Posted by: Retron 


I bought an air con unit after 2003 too. It was quite large - maybe 4' tall and 1" 6 ' deep.


It needed to be vented to the outside. Got rid of it a few years back.

At least it will be mild!
CreweCold
16 July 2022 15:09:49


I had to buy some picture frames for an exhibition at the Range in Dorchester today. I went early as soon as they opened at 8.30am but the shed was already hot inside with some upper fans pushing the air around at high levels. Which made no difference. The temp was already a toasty 27C on the shop floor  and the staff were visibly suffering even at that at early part of the day. They're short staffed too but the customers were patient and understanding which was good to see. That's of course the kind of place where health problems will occur in the coming blast of heat. I was told there is no plan to close the place on Monday. 


 


Originally Posted by: NMA 


And that is why unfortunately some people will end up keeling over during this spell.


 


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Rob K
16 July 2022 15:30:42
Farnborough weather station still seems to be offline. I wonder if it is related to the Air Show which starts on Monday? Annoying not to get stats from my local official station during the upcoming spell.
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Gavin D
16 July 2022 16:21:00
Jersey Met Office are forecasting 38c on Monday that would smash the heat record which was set just a few weeks ago by around 5c
John p
16 July 2022 17:04:47

Farnborough weather station still seems to be offline. I wonder if it is related to the Air Show which starts on Monday? Annoying not to get stats from my local official station during the upcoming spell.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Yes pretty annoying. I almost certain the ‘South Farnborough’ weather station is not on the airport site. I think it’s in the Alexandra Rd area. 
Maybe the owners are on holiday? Not great timing!  

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