Very true. I always remember the time around bonfire night was often frosty when I was younger but these days they're not. 

80f in London today probably the last time this year. 

Bit bad this time as the summer was cut off early from mid-August after the heatwave and now just scrapped 80F but not very nice so I more look forward to 70F and sunny next weekend onward after a sunny cool days during the week.  25C in Letchworth today with lot of clouds so take your pick, cloudy 25C or sunny 20-21C? The latter one will give indoor temps higher than today indoor temps.

On average, max temps in June are around 1c above thoise in Sept, and min temps around 0.5c higher.

Sunshine hours are around 200 hours in June and 150 hours in Sept.

Obviously some small differences across the UK, but in every station data I've skimmed through, on average June is warmer and sunnier than September.

It's therefore got more claim to be a summer month

And, like I say, it fits more conveniently.

I wouldn't bet on that...

Could be quite a wet 24hrs for the far south.

spent rockets.

Those were the days of coal fires and thick fog. (London)

The trough in S England, shown as a minor feature over the last couple of days, now appears to be much more active for areas as far north as Oxford.

WX temp summary - not much to add to yesterday the battle between cooler air from the NE and warmer air on Atlantic coasts continues, though neither much below or above norm respectively. By comparison with yesterday, the cooler air succeeds in advancing to E France & the shores of the Med in week 2, S Britain and W France hanging on to the last of the warmth. though I not a small patch of very warm quite local to S Biscay week 1 - see 'unusual world weather' thread - and the colder air also down to Turkey in week 2 (but with the Black Sea an 'island' of contrasting warmth with the land around it.

Rain in a ring around Poland in week 1 as yesterday though a bit further east so Britain is outside the ring and dry-ish; week 2 is forecast differently with the ring breaking up and wet weather moving in from the Atlantic en masse.

GFS Op consistent with yesterday; Danielle and Earl filling  to the S of UK (perhaps more slowly than shown yesterday), then HP appearing to the W of Ireland with N-lies from Thu 15th moving E-wards to cover Britain Tue 20th translating into a SW-NE ridge before Atlantic W-lies take over from Sat 24th; quite a deep LP 970mb Faeroes to start with but soon settling down to the usual LP near Iceland, HP from SW England S-wards.

ECM similar but HP further W of Ireland to start with so N-lies while not strong are more extensive; then the Lp Sat 24th is not so deep so W-lies less strong.

GEFS in the S currently warm with some rain, while the N is near norm and dry; all areas cool and dry-ish from Thu 15th for a week after which temps near norm (though quite a lot of variation between ens members sets in) and small amounts of rain then expected.

GFS 12z continues the dry high pressure borefest and takes it to new levels. 

if going to be sunny days it not borefest as last first 2 weeks of Sept had been very borefest.  Need drying out and heating still won't be needed if sunny days 16-17C and 6-7C windless night will keep indoors warm.  Wind, clouds and rain can reduce the indoor temps a lot than sunny and cool nights.

Think you're in dreamland but...Good luck!!

How so when apps and forecasts going for those temps? 

Quite a big drop in daily maxes from Wed to Thu coming up. Are winds progged to be coming more down from a Nly direcxtion?

Yes; go look at a chart or two.

Wow!  Just the winter when we could do without.

Anomaly of at least 5C below norm covering most if not all of Britain from Nov to Apr inclusive, with just one month off in Feb. 

If I believed that LRFs were reliable, I'd be really worried.

Yes, a cold and snowy December on that run, with more to come afterwards - it's only 2300 hours away, what could possibly go wrong?

Yes mean gin blue skies and keep indoor warmer from strong sun input. if hazy wont warm up much.

And for the third day in a row, WX temp summary shows the battle between cooler air from the NE and warmer air on Atlantic coasts continuing, though neither much below or above norm respectively. By comparison with yesterday, the cooler air succeeds in advancing to E France & the shores of the Med in week 2, S Britain and W France hanging on to the last of the warmth'. Today there is a sign of a push back in week 2 from the SW led by that unusually warm area in S Biscay but the colder air continues to affect Turkey in week 2 (but with the Black Sea an 'island' of contrasting warmth with the land around it.

Rainfall however continues to shift around - week 1 dry in Ireland, wet for Europe east of and including Germany; week 2 dry in the Baltic and S Norway, wet around this area including S Britain

Jet mostly weak to the N of Britain and down the N Sea until Sat 24, when a loop off Ireland gradually begins to affect England. Last chart for Fri 30 turns violent past Greenland ad down the W Irish coast

GFS Op shows HP gradually moving in from the W to cover Britain Tue 20th after a week with N-ly winds, promoted by deep LP over Estonia. This HP moves off E-wards to Denmark Sun 25th and a shallow LP W of Ireland brings in S-lies (not W-lies as forecast yesterday). This gradually drifts N-wards but then teams up with the Atlantic to give a broad trough of LP affecting all Britain Fri 30th.

ECM shows the HP fading rather than drifting E-wards, and being replaced by a new HP on the Atlantic Sat 24th (not LP as in GFS) with a renewed spell of N-lies

GEFS is cool for a week (quite cold around Sat 17th, less so and for a shorter period in the SW) with rain starting up again in modest amounts from about Sat 24th

Everything? CFS is quite different this morning with a cold October and a mild December, reversing yesterday's forecast, and proper winter January onwards, not letting up until May.

don’t let the Express know about CFS though - Armageddon would have been reported by now 

Have the Express printed their traditional Autumn "A new ice age is coming" headline yet?

The paper boy who cried Wolf!

The new editorial team has no interest in the weather. During the heatwave they barely mentioned it, probably because it didn't fit with their anti-climate change agenda