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Retron
06 September 2024 13:55:30

With all that said and done, if you actually look at the different 30-year climatic periods, you'll see that average rainfall has not gone down - indeed in many cases it's gone up.
Looking at Faversham for example: for the 1961-1990 period they got 33mm on average in July, but for the 1991-2020 period that increased to 43mm. Average annual rainfall overall increased from 647mm to  675mm.
If the 2001-2030 period doesn't show a decline in average rainfall (or more accurately a decline in average summer rainfall) then I will remain sceptical that anywhere in the UK will become a Mediterranean climate in our lifetimes. 

Originally Posted by: LeedsLad123 


Yes, be it the Med or the UK, July rainfall has gone up - it's not a localised thing for whatever reason.

While I respect your views, I can't help but think they're coloured a bit by your location. The change here has been massive over the past 30 years, and sadly I expect much more change in the 30 years to come!
Leysdown, north Kent
MRazzell
06 September 2024 14:11:58

Yes, be it the Med or the UK, July rainfall has gone up - it's not a localised thing for whatever reason.

While I respect your views, I can't help but think they're coloured a bit by your location. The change here has been massive over the past 30 years, and sadly I expect much more change in the 30 years to come!

Originally Posted by: Retron 


Most posts on here are influenced by IMBY'ism. For example the Mediterannean climate argument is far more convincing in your location in the far east where you have experienced significantly less rain than folk 20miles to your west in the same county.

The fact remains that there is not really a Koppen classification for 'Csa some years, Csb others, Cfb other years after that, and Cfc the odd years in between' which has been the reality in the South and South East over the past decade.

I work in horticulture and whilst we have gone to great efforts to 'climate proof' our businesses the simple fact remains that the climate is now so unpredicatble that no particular category of landscaping has proven resiliant to the weather patterns we've experienced this past decade, mediterranean or otherwise
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Retron
06 September 2024 14:25:08

Most posts on here are influenced by IMBY'ism. For example the Mediterannean climate argument is far more convincing in your location in the far east where you have experienced significantly less rain than folk 20miles to your west in the same county.

The fact remains that there is not really a Koppen classification for 'Csa some years, Csb others, Cfb other years after that, and Cfc the odd years in between' which has been the reality in the South and South East over the past decade.

I work in horticulture and whilst we have gone to great efforts to 'climate proof' our businesses the simple fact remains that the climate is now so unpredicatble that no particular category of landscaping has proven resiliant to the weather patterns we've experienced this past decade, mediterranean or otherwise

Originally Posted by: MRazzell 


True enough - that's the spikeyness I mentioned, it must make planning things horticulturally a right pain. All we can do is average, imperfect though it is, and of course while over 30 years it's returning Cfb right now, over 10 we're seeing Csb nibbling away at the coasts. It's a technical Csb rather than a "Wahey, we're now Barcelona" thing, but it's a start - the very beginning of the change which has long been predicted.

I just thought it'd be of interest to folks on here to see it appearing, even if it's only for 10 years rather than the regulation 30. FWIW, I'd say it's 50/50 whether those few pixels appear on the next charts, 01-30, but I'd say it's a cert for the 11-40 ones. Hopefully I'll live long enough to find out!
Leysdown, north Kent
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The Beast from the East
06 September 2024 14:38:40
The advantages of having a Mediterranean climate in the SE corner means we can now grow things that we couldn’t before, save on heating costs etc. English wine used to be a joke, now it’s a serious industry 
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Col
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06 September 2024 17:56:39

The advantages of having a Mediterranean climate in the SE corner means we can now grow things that we couldn’t before, save on heating costs etc. English wine used to be a joke, now it’s a serious industry 

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


I wonder how much the savings in heating costs will be offset by increases in the use of air con?
Col
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ballamar
06 September 2024 18:25:14
To be honest the pattern could easily change back - we could be at the end/peak of the pattern in the UK.
The Beast from the East
07 September 2024 01:29:39

I wonder how much the savings in heating costs will be offset by increases in the use of air con?

Originally Posted by: Col 


Most poor people in Spain and Portugal dont have air con, just fans 
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LeedsLad123
07 September 2024 19:19:23

Yes, be it the Med or the UK, July rainfall has gone up - it's not a localised thing for whatever reason.

While I respect your views, I can't help but think they're coloured a bit by your location. The change here has been massive over the past 30 years, and sadly I expect much more change in the 30 years to come!

Originally Posted by: Retron 


And with all due respect to yourself (being a long-standing member of the forum) but I think you are guilty of exaggerating a bit. If anyone read your posts on here they'd be left the impression that north Kent is an extreme microclimate that averages 300 hours of sunshine a month and every day is above 25C! Anyone from an actual Mediterranean climate would find it laughable to see someone from gloomy England talking about their climate in such a manner. Of course summers have gotten warmer, but so far we haven't seen a decrease in average summer rainfall (as the Faversham stats I posted on the previous page show).

And for what it's worth we get plenty of prolonged dry spells up here, given our average annual rainfall is among the lowest in the country (nearby Church Fenton averages around 603mm). Our total rainfall in August this year was lower than anywhere in Kent or Sussex, and we have had plenty of dry/very dry summer months in recent years (August 2024, June 2023, July/August 2022, June 2021 etc).
Whitkirk, Leeds - 85m ASL.
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