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Arcus
12 July 2013 08:54:44

My rain alarm has just been triggered by what looks like a sharp shower that darted down through Brum area, no sferics indicated. Is this an actual rain event or a computer generated error?
Cheers
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Originally Posted by: VIRTUAL STORMCHASER 


Looking at Raintoday, given the random nature of the returns around Brum it looks to me like a case of our good friend AnaProp rather than anything "real".


Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
30m asl
Gusty
12 July 2013 09:29:40

The GFS has never dropped the idea of convective thundery potential for many central and eastern and southeastern areas on Saturday evening.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rmgfs423.gif


Steve - Folkestone, Kent
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idj20
12 July 2013 09:34:30


The GFS has never dropped the idea of convective thundery potential for many central and eastern and southeastern areas on Saturday evening.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rmgfs423.gif


Originally Posted by: Gusty 



I'd say "Deal" (in a Deal Or No Deal style). Indeed, does fit the idea of my mention of a small risk of thundery-type activity in this morning's edition of the Cloud Master forecast. 


Folkestone Harbour. 
VIRTUAL STORMCHASER
12 July 2013 13:53:32
Anaprop?
Arcus
12 July 2013 14:03:04

Anaprop?

Originally Posted by: VIRTUAL STORMCHASER 


Anaprop = Anomalous Propagation. False returns showing on rainfall radar,


Often occurs under strong anticyclones, often due to radar refraction in temperature inversions.


Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
30m asl
VIRTUAL STORMCHASER
12 July 2013 14:09:27
Thankscfor the AnaProp explanation, it was a brief, erratic, sausage shaped affair..... anyway.
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nsrobins
12 July 2013 15:51:21

Thankscfor the AnaProp explanation, it was a brief, erratic, sausage shaped affair..... anyway.
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Originally Posted by: VIRTUAL STORMCHASER 


Sounds like a fair description of several unsolicited encounters I've had over the years . . .

The anaprop issue is a pain in the winter when the offshore windfarms wreck havoc with the returns emerging from the Dutch coast.
There were several occasions when I was sure the Essex/Kent coast was about to get hit by a blizzard and it turned-out to be a line of whirly-gig induced interference.


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
Twister
12 July 2013 16:36:54

Certainly a decent amount of CAPE available tomorrow, with a lifted index figure as low as -5:


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2411.png


That suggests to me that any isolated storms which may develop could be rather potent...


Location: Egerton, Kent - 33m ASL
Thunder 2016: 12 (Apr 3,13; May 21; Jun 8,11,17,22,23,25, Jul 2,12, Aug 26)
Winter 2015/6: Snowfalls: 10 | Snowcover: 2 (Jan 17 (0.5cm)) | Air frosts: 39
Winter 2016/7: Snowfalls: 4 (Jan 12-3, Feb 10-11) | Snowcover: 2 (Jan 13, 2cm, Feb 11, 3-5mm) | Air frosts: 57 (2 in Oct, 10 in Nov, 13 in Dec, 19 in Jan, 6 in Feb, 3 in Mar, 4 in Apr)
"The heavens tell of the glory of God. The skies display his marvellous craftsmanship." (Psalm 19:1)
LeedsLad123
12 July 2013 16:40:20


Thankscfor the AnaProp explanation, it was a brief, erratic, sausage shaped affair..... anyway.
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Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


Sounds like a fair description of several unsolicited encounters I've had over the years . . .

The anaprop issue is a pain in the winter when the offshore windfarms wreck havoc with the returns emerging from the Dutch coast.
There were several occasions when I was sure the Essex/Kent coast was about to get hit by a blizzard and it turned-out to be a line of whirly-gig induced interference.


Originally Posted by: VIRTUAL STORMCHASER 


I remember one snowfall in Jan showing a stream of heavy precipitation leaving the Benelux and towards Yorkshire.. but it never actually reached here, and was just false radar returns.


Whitkirk, Leeds - 85m ASL.
VIRTUAL STORMCHASER
12 July 2013 17:11:04

Certainly a decent amount of CAPE available tomorrow, with a lifted index figure as low as -5:


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2411.png


That suggests to me that any isolated storms which may develop could be rather potent...

Originally Posted by: Twister 



Looking at this map, the well done, rather chubby, boomerang shaped sausage areas covering the central/spiny portion of the country.... Is this the area most likely where Thunderstorms will develop, or if they do develop, this will be where they are most angry?

Cheers;
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Twister
12 July 2013 17:43:00



Looking at this map, the well done, rather chubby, boomerang shaped sausage areas covering the central/spiny portion of the country.... Is this the area most likely where Thunderstorms will develop, or if they do develop, this will be where they are most angry?

Cheers;
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Originally Posted by: VIRTUAL STORMCHASER 


The BBC forecast 15 mins ago suggests that the area north of London could be at greatest risk (ie Midlands to NE England), although I wonder whether the risk will move south as the day progresses? 


Location: Egerton, Kent - 33m ASL
Thunder 2016: 12 (Apr 3,13; May 21; Jun 8,11,17,22,23,25, Jul 2,12, Aug 26)
Winter 2015/6: Snowfalls: 10 | Snowcover: 2 (Jan 17 (0.5cm)) | Air frosts: 39
Winter 2016/7: Snowfalls: 4 (Jan 12-3, Feb 10-11) | Snowcover: 2 (Jan 13, 2cm, Feb 11, 3-5mm) | Air frosts: 57 (2 in Oct, 10 in Nov, 13 in Dec, 19 in Jan, 6 in Feb, 3 in Mar, 4 in Apr)
"The heavens tell of the glory of God. The skies display his marvellous craftsmanship." (Psalm 19:1)
VIRTUAL STORMCHASER
12 July 2013 20:40:40
Ha, Ha! The AnaProp is back!! This time another finger from St Albans to London!!
Unless its actually raining there!!
VIRTUAL STORMCHASER
12 July 2013 20:45:19
Ok, serious question. ........
Whats happened to all those night time storms of the 70's and 80's? You know, the ones your grand parents said were there to "RIPEN THE CORN" usually lots of "sheet-lightning" normally between 10pm and 3am!!!
Haven't witnessed one in decades!!!!! Where are they?
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Medlock Vale Weather
12 July 2013 21:59:05

Well I hope to see some thundery activity this month, been very quiet this year. Once upon a time we used to to do quite well here for thunderstorms during Spring and Summer. 


Alan in Medlock Valley - Oldham's frost hollow. 103 metres above sea level.
What is a frost hollow? http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/reports/wxfacts/Frost-hollow.htm 
Arcus
13 July 2013 11:56:44

Cell has fired up just to the south west of here, very rapid development. One to keep an eye on, trundling over the A1 near Harrogate.


Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
30m asl
Sevendust
13 July 2013 13:05:51


Cell has fired up just to the south west of here, very rapid development. One to keep an eye on, trundling over the A1 near Harrogate.


Originally Posted by: Arcus 


Seems to have eased that one but a new intense cell now going over the Pennines east of Kendal. Torrential radar returns but no sferics yet


The Leeds sounding for 1600z shows deep instability from 3K to over 34K feet and 681 CAPE. Just needs a trigger


http://rasp.inn.leedsmet.ac.uk/UK+0/FCST/sounding12.curr.1700lst.d2.png

Arcus
13 July 2013 13:10:20


Cell has fired up just to the south west of here, very rapid development. One to keep an eye on, trundling over the A1 near Harrogate.

Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


Seems to have eased that one but a new intense cell now going over the Pennines east of Kendal. Torrential radar returns but no sferics yetUserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: Arcus 


Yes convection is somewhat ragged, but plenty of congestus shooting up. A real Texas in the spring feel to things out there.


Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
30m asl
Sevendust
13 July 2013 13:13:15

Cell has fired up just to the south west of here, very rapid development. One to keep an eye on, trundling over the A1 near Harrogate.

Originally Posted by: Arcus 

Seems to have eased that one but a new intense cell now going over the Pennines east of Kendal. Torrential radar returns but no sferics yetUserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: Sevendust 

Yes convection is somewhat ragged, but plenty of congestus shooting up. A real Texas in the spring feel to things out there.

Originally Posted by: Arcus 


More exciting in these set ups in some way. I've just edited my earlier post to include the Leeds sounding which is non too bad!

LeedsLad123
13 July 2013 13:19:00



Cell has fired up just to the south west of here, very rapid development. One to keep an eye on, trundling over the A1 near Harrogate.


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


Seems to have eased that one but a new intense cell now going over the Pennines east of Kendal. Torrential radar returns but no sferics yet


The Leeds sounding for 1600z shows deep instability from 3K to over 34K feet and 681 CAPE. Just needs a trigger


http://rasp.inn.leedsmet.ac.uk/UK+0/FCST/sounding12.curr.1700lst.d2.png


Originally Posted by: Arcus 


It is looking good - and as Arcu says, feels somewhat Texan today, currently 28C with towering clouds.


Also, Sat24 shows lightning in that cell near Kendal.


http://www.sat24.com/en/gb


Whitkirk, Leeds - 85m ASL.
Charmhills
13 July 2013 13:40:01

Some locally intense cells across parts of Northern England at the mo on net radar with lightning being detected.


Loughborough, EM.

Knowledge is power, ignorance is weakness.

Duane.
Super Cell
13 July 2013 13:43:54


Cell has fired up just to the south west of here, very rapid development. One to keep an eye on, trundling over the A1 near Harrogate.

Originally Posted by: Sevendust 

Seems to have eased that one but a new intense cell now going over the Pennines east of Kendal. Torrential radar returns but no sferics yetUserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: Arcus 

Yes convection is somewhat ragged, but plenty of congestus shooting up. A real Texas in the spring feel to things out there.

Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


More exciting in these set ups in some way. I've just edited my earlier post to include the Leeds sounding which is non too bad!


Originally Posted by: Arcus 


Non too bad would mean dry hot and sunny. I supect that you mean that it might just rain on my parade though...


Farnley/Pudsey Leeds
40m asl
Bagfish
13 July 2013 13:44:37




Cell has fired up just to the south west of here, very rapid development. One to keep an eye on, trundling over the A1 near Harrogate.


Originally Posted by: LeedsLad123 


Seems to have eased that one but a new intense cell now going over the Pennines east of Kendal. Torrential radar returns but no sferics yet


The Leeds sounding for 1600z shows deep instability from 3K to over 34K feet and 681 CAPE. Just needs a trigger


http://rasp.inn.leedsmet.ac.uk/UK+0/FCST/sounding12.curr.1700lst.d2.png


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


It is looking good - and as Arcu says, feels somewhat Texan today, currently 28C with towering clouds.


Also, Sat24 shows lightning in that cell near Kendal.


http://www.sat24.com/en/gb


Originally Posted by: Arcus 


 


Enormous cumulous clouds to the east of here (Kendal) which have been building all morning/early afternoon.  The sun keeps going in, but it's as hot and humid as I can remember even when the sun is behind the clouds.  I'm heading over to a friend's in the Pennines this afternoon, supposedly for a swim, so it may be interesting!


Near Kendal, Cumbria
Home 180m asl
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Medlock Vale Weather
13 July 2013 13:49:54

Well the cloud is still bubbling up overhead and to the east over the Pennines, hopefully I will hear a crack of thunder before the afternoon is out, but probably not 


Alan in Medlock Valley - Oldham's frost hollow. 103 metres above sea level.
What is a frost hollow? http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/reports/wxfacts/Frost-hollow.htm 
Sevendust
13 July 2013 13:50:33





Cell has fired up just to the south west of here, very rapid development. One to keep an eye on, trundling over the A1 near Harrogate.


Originally Posted by: Bagfish 


Seems to have eased that one but a new intense cell now going over the Pennines east of Kendal. Torrential radar returns but no sferics yet


The Leeds sounding for 1600z shows deep instability from 3K to over 34K feet and 681 CAPE. Just needs a trigger


http://rasp.inn.leedsmet.ac.uk/UK+0/FCST/sounding12.curr.1700lst.d2.png


Originally Posted by: LeedsLad123 


It is looking good - and as Arcu says, feels somewhat Texan today, currently 28C with towering clouds.


Also, Sat24 shows lightning in that cell near Kendal.


http://www.sat24.com/en/gb


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


 


Enormous cumulous clouds to the east of here (Kendal) which have been building all morning/early afternoon.  The sun keeps going in, but it's as hot and humid as I can remember even when the sun is behind the clouds.  I'm heading over to a friend's in the Pennines this afternoon, supposedly for a swim, so it may be interesting!


Originally Posted by: Arcus 


You may swim on the way! Topography doubtless the trigger for what will be a fairly slow moving storm and likely to drop a lot of rain in a small area rather quickly. Blitzorg now also confirming sferics

Charmhills
13 July 2013 14:37:41

Going dark here and very threating!


Rapid convection under way.


 


Loughborough, EM.

Knowledge is power, ignorance is weakness.

Duane.
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