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bledur
13 July 2013 17:47:43

not looking quite so settled longer term now . another week and then change gets underway with pressure falling to the south whilst the north remains dry

Steam Fog
13 July 2013 18:09:54

not looking quite so settled longer term now . another week and then change gets underway with pressure falling to the south whilst the north remains dry

Originally Posted by: bledur 



Out of curiosity why do you say that?

A week's time

http://images.meteociel.fr/im/1277/gfs-0-192_rhf3.png 

Ten days time

http://images.meteociel.fr/im/5654/gfs-0-240_spb7.png 

Gooner
13 July 2013 18:12:42


not looking quite so settled longer term now . another week and then change gets underway with pressure falling to the south whilst the north remains dry


Originally Posted by: bledur 


Looks good to me


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Steam Fog
13 July 2013 18:14:38
Bledur: You seem keen to push Simon Keeling's thoughts. Not sure they've been especially accurate recently. Doesn't mean he will be wrong. But I seem to remember you quoting him to evidence a breakdown earlier in the month, which didn't transpire. It won't remain this warm and settled for ever of course.
Gooner
13 July 2013 18:17:36


high pressure dominates the weather again through this week, although there are some subtle changes taking place. There will be lots of dry weather, and it will be warm and sunny. However, as the week progresses the high drifts north, allowing brisk northeast winds to develop in the south and these eventually blow in some cloud and possibly rain across southeastern areas.




 simon keelings thoughts


Originally Posted by: bledur 


That was taken from this mornings GFS run, Mr Keelings Week Ahead forecasts change daily depending on what GFS shows


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Gooner
13 July 2013 18:44:34

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1681.gif


Large area of HP dominates the UK


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Ally Pally Snowman
13 July 2013 18:57:21

The stunning output continues, hot and sunny for at least the next 10 days. With perhaps the odd thunder storm about.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1921.html


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2161.html


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GIBBY
13 July 2013 19:11:34

Hi everyone. Here is this evenings report on the midday outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Saturday July 13th 2013.


All models show no change for the weather in the coming week. High pressure close to SW Britain will settle there for a day or too before migrating further North and East across the UK through the middle of the week enabling the North to share in the fine and very warm weather that England and Wales will enjoy for the whole of the coming week. Temperatures may get into the hot category at times through the week and as always in the UK when these temperatures are breached there is always the risk of the odd thundery shower to break out in the heat of the day, though as today they will be no means widespread.


GFS sets up a sustained period of fine and hot weather lasting through next weekend and the start of the following week before things begin to turn a little more thundery more widely late in the run as the High pressure loses it's grip somewhat to rather cooler and more showery conditions though I doubt to many would be complaining by then.


The GFS Ensembles tonight show the operational and Control runs at the top of the tree again tonight with most members favouring a cooler feel as we get to the far end of the output but by no means a change to wet weather. 


The Jet Stream maintains it's Icelandic Summer home for the reliable time frame from tonight.


UKMO tonight keeps High pressure influential to all of the UK late next week centred over the North sea with a strong ridge over all areas. Plenty more fine weather would be enjoyed for all as a result with very warm conditions continuing for the South and extending to the North too.


GEM shows High pressure in control of the UK weather for the foreseeable future too with just a slight relaxation of it's influence towards the SW of the UK again towards Day 10.


NAVGEM has High pressure going nowhere fast with it's centre drifting off into the North sea late next week but maintaining strong influence for all of the UK with plenty of very warm and sunny weather to be had by all.


ECM finally shows High pressure well in control of the weather to end next week and the weekend. Towards the end of the run there seems nothing to suggest that the High pressure area won't last into August until Day 10 which I don't buy into at that range as the pattern seems unlikely to change that quickly with maintained high temperatures and sunshine across the UK, especially the South.


In Summary the pattern looks unlikely to change significantly within the outputs period tonight. Some more distant charts do toy around with trying to bring an end to the High pressure dominated period but they all look very isolated with no common ground between them. Instead we're much more likely to maintain this very warm and at times hot period of weather, particularly if you live in the South with any rain likely from the odd rogue thunderstorm during the heat of the day's or from weak fronts in the far NW. If this pattern persists until the end of the month many places will end up with their warmest and certainly driest July for many years.
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Hungry Tiger
13 July 2013 19:15:19


Hi everyone. Here is this evenings report on the midday outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Saturday July 13th 2013.


All models show no change for the weather in the coming week. High pressure close to SW Britain will settle there for a day or too before migrating further North and East across the UK through the middle of the week enabling the North to share in the fine and very warm weather that England and Wales will enjoy for the whole of the coming week. Temperatures may get into the hot category at times through the week and as always in the UK when these temperatures are breached there is always the risk of the odd thundery shower to break out in the heat of the day, though as today they will be no means widespread.


GFS sets up a sustained period of fine and hot weather lasting through next weekend and the start of the following week before things begin to turn a little more thundery more widely late in the run as the High pressure loses it's grip somewhat to rather cooler and more showery conditions though I doubt to many would be complaining by then.


The GFS Ensembles tonight show the operational and Control runs at the top of the tree again tonight with most members favouring a cooler feel as we get to the far end of the output but by no means a change to wet weather. 


The Jet Stream maintains it's Icelandic Summer home for the reliable time frame from tonight.


UKMO tonight keeps High pressure influential to all of the UK late next week centred over the North sea with a strong ridge over all areas. Plenty more fine weather would be enjoyed for all as a result with very warm conditions continuing for the South and extending to the North too.


GEM shows High pressure in control of the UK weather for the foreseeable future too with just a slight relaxation of it's influence towards the SW of the UK again towards Day 10.


NAVGEM has High pressure going nowhere fast with it's centre drifting off into the North sea late next week but maintaining strong influence for all of the UK with plenty of very warm and sunny weather to be had by all.


ECM finally shows High pressure well in control of the weather to end next week and the weekend. Towards the end of the run there seems nothing to suggest that the High pressure area won't last into August until Day 10 which I don't buy into at that range as the pattern seems unlikely to change that quickly with maintained high temperatures and sunshine across the UK, especially the South.


In Summary the pattern looks unlikely to change significantly within the outputs period tonight. Some more distant charts do toy around with trying to bring an end to the High pressure dominated period but they all look very isolated with no common ground between them. Instead we're much more likely to maintain this very warm and at times hot period of weather, particularly if you live in the South with any rain likely from the odd rogue thunderstorm during the heat of the day's or from weak fronts in the far NW. If this pattern persists until the end of the month many places will end up with their warmest and certainly driest July for many years.

Originally Posted by: GIBBY 



Let's hope it carries on - certainly for another 3 weeks or so - we can then say we've had a decent summer of sorts.


It's such a huge relief after the past 6 years of horrors - it really is.


 


 


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Hungry Tiger
13 July 2013 19:16:41

Looks good.


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David M Porter
13 July 2013 19:28:14



Hi everyone. Here is this evenings report on the midday outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Saturday July 13th 2013.


All models show no change for the weather in the coming week. High pressure close to SW Britain will settle there for a day or too before migrating further North and East across the UK through the middle of the week enabling the North to share in the fine and very warm weather that England and Wales will enjoy for the whole of the coming week. Temperatures may get into the hot category at times through the week and as always in the UK when these temperatures are breached there is always the risk of the odd thundery shower to break out in the heat of the day, though as today they will be no means widespread.


GFS sets up a sustained period of fine and hot weather lasting through next weekend and the start of the following week before things begin to turn a little more thundery more widely late in the run as the High pressure loses it's grip somewhat to rather cooler and more showery conditions though I doubt to many would be complaining by then.


The GFS Ensembles tonight show the operational and Control runs at the top of the tree again tonight with most members favouring a cooler feel as we get to the far end of the output but by no means a change to wet weather. 


The Jet Stream maintains it's Icelandic Summer home for the reliable time frame from tonight.


UKMO tonight keeps High pressure influential to all of the UK late next week centred over the North sea with a strong ridge over all areas. Plenty more fine weather would be enjoyed for all as a result with very warm conditions continuing for the South and extending to the North too.


GEM shows High pressure in control of the UK weather for the foreseeable future too with just a slight relaxation of it's influence towards the SW of the UK again towards Day 10.


NAVGEM has High pressure going nowhere fast with it's centre drifting off into the North sea late next week but maintaining strong influence for all of the UK with plenty of very warm and sunny weather to be had by all.


ECM finally shows High pressure well in control of the weather to end next week and the weekend. Towards the end of the run there seems nothing to suggest that the High pressure area won't last into August until Day 10 which I don't buy into at that range as the pattern seems unlikely to change that quickly with maintained high temperatures and sunshine across the UK, especially the South.


In Summary the pattern looks unlikely to change significantly within the outputs period tonight. Some more distant charts do toy around with trying to bring an end to the High pressure dominated period but they all look very isolated with no common ground between them. Instead we're much more likely to maintain this very warm and at times hot period of weather, particularly if you live in the South with any rain likely from the odd rogue thunderstorm during the heat of the day's or from weak fronts in the far NW. If this pattern persists until the end of the month many places will end up with their warmest and certainly driest July for many years.

Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 



Let's hope it carries on - certainly for another 3 weeks or so - we can then say we've had a decent summer of sorts.


It's such a huge relief after the past 6 years of horrors - it really is.


 


 


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 


I'll second that.


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Stormchaser
13 July 2013 19:28:27

GFS serves up a stunning run with a drawn-out thundery breakdown in mid-FI


Amazingly it's well placed as a halfway house between ECM and UKMO's 12z offerings.


ECM and GEM remain more amplified than the other models even at just 5 days range... given how close we are to the time now, some kind of halfway house between ECM/GEM and GFS/UKMO might well be the best bet. ECM has the least warm version of events and even then the warm airmass is never truly displaced from the SW'rn half of the UK, with the return polar maritime airmass going to our east I daresay temps in that portion would hold up to at least the mid-20's on Friday, with all of the other days seeing higher temps than that




I have looked many times at the ECM 12z op run's 9-10 day progression, and to be honest I don't think I'll ever fully grasp how it achieved such a thing. These models sure can be funny sometimes




The short term is the most extraordinary period on offer, with GFS showing 29-31°C in the Solent region all of next week and ECM supporting out to Thursday - in fact uppers are a little higher across the first few days. I've noticed that ECM is consistently showing higher uppers than GFS for the 1-4 day range and that it usually verifies best with those


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Edicius81
13 July 2013 20:00:12
Am I dreaming? I must be dreaming.... Maxes around 30 all week? Pinch me.
Hungry Tiger
13 July 2013 20:03:00

Am I dreaming? I must be dreaming.... Maxes around 30 all week? Pinch me.


Originally Posted by: Edicius81 



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Gooner
13 July 2013 20:05:29

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2401.png


GFS at 240


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2401.gif


ECM at 240


I wonder how they will compare after the 18z .


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moomin75
13 July 2013 20:51:39

If nothing else hopefully this summer will finally prove that long range forecasting is total horse poo. Just about everyone was going for a terrible one.

(I've been saying all along that the pattern felt very different this year, but that was purely hit instinct/ guesswork and I didn't try to dress it up as a LRF!)

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


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bledur
13 July 2013 21:53:00

the reason i go with simon keeling is that for our business, agriculture , he has been as good as anyone. he forecast this warm dry july a long time ago although it has turned out warmer than predicted. he has stuck with a hunch of a slight breakdown around the 20th and i see his reasoning . the azores high pulls away slightly this week although maitaining a ridge. cold air will be pulled down and a trough will develop over europe possibly threatening southern england in about a weeks time. just have to wait and see . this weeks dry and warm anyway

Matty H
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13 July 2013 21:53:25


high pressure dominates the weather again through this week, although there are some subtle changes taking place. There will be lots of dry weather, and it will be warm and sunny. However, as the week progresses the high drifts north, allowing brisk northeast winds to develop in the south and these eventually blow in some cloud and possibly rain across southeastern areas.




 simon keelings thoughts


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


That was taken from this mornings GFS run, Mr Keelings Week Ahead forecasts change daily depending on what GFS shows

Originally Posted by: bledur 



Indeed. His forecasts are completely useless. Any forecast that is based solely on an operational output and changed everytime it changes, is useless. Nothing against the guy at all, but forecasts produced this way are a complete waste of time
Steam Fog
13 July 2013 21:55:31

the reason i go with simon keeling is that for our business, agriculture , he has been as good as anyone. he forecast this warm dry july a long time ago although it has turned out warmer than predicted. he has stuck with a hunch of a slight breakdown around the 20th and i see his reasoning . the azores high pulls away slightly this week although maitaining a ridge. cold air will be pulled down and a trough will develop over europe possibly threatening southern england in about a weeks time. just have to wait and see . this weeks dry and warm anyway

Originally Posted by: bledur 



Sounds more like something for the media thread?
NickR
13 July 2013 21:59:06
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