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A3K
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15 July 2013 17:29:09

Hot start to next week. Any breakdown once again pushed back even further.

28C in south on Sunday

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn15017.png

30C in south on Monday

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn17417.png

30C in south on Tuesday (at midday)

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn19217.png

29C in west on Wednesday (at midday)

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn21617.png

29C in central England on Thursday (at midday).

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn24017.png

Extending further on this run

28C in central England on Friday 26th

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn26417.png

Originally Posted by: Steam Fog 


Wow, this is turning out to be a fantastic July  Gotta make the most of your days off. BBQ's and beer gardens for me for the forseeable  Amazing consistency for the UK!


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Gooner
15 July 2013 17:34:54


As these runs come and go the breakdown doesn't seem to be getting any closer does it - Always seems to be around Day's 8-10?


Originally Posted by: Matty H 



Standard blocking high scenario isn't it? Doesn't seem to matter whether it's summer or winter, the models don't handle it very well at all. The breakdown at around a week to ten days always seems to be there. It'll be right eventually.

Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Spot on Matt, they struggle in Winter why would Summer be any different?


And yes sooner or later it will be right


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cultman1
15 July 2013 17:41:07
Quite extraordinary this wonderful spell of settled weather
Looks like next week will continue the trend , in the South anyway
Most weather bulletins for the London area paint a minimum 8 day settled scenario
Jiries
15 July 2013 17:41:10
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3602.png 

I don't think it would be long before we saw things settle down again.


Look at the over 15C uppers at the Arctic circle zone.  I wonder what the maxes would be given out over there?

Gooner
15 July 2013 17:41:19

Hot start to next week. Any breakdown once again pushed back even further.

28C in south on Sunday

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn15017.png

30C in south on Monday

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn17417.png

30C in south on Tuesday (at midday)

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn19217.png

29C in west on Wednesday (at midday)

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn21617.png

29C in central England on Thursday (at midday).

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn24017.png

Extending further on this run

28C in central England on Friday 26th

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn26417.png

Originally Posted by: Steam Fog 


Incredible run, another 2 weeks


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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cultman1
15 July 2013 17:43:39
Quite extraordinary this wonderful spell of settled weather
Looks like next week will continue the trend , in the South anyway
Most weather bulletins for the London area paint a minimum 8 day settled scenario
Hungry Tiger
15 July 2013 17:51:01

Hot start to next week. Any breakdown once again pushed back even further.

28C in south on Sunday

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn15017.png

30C in south on Monday

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn17417.png

30C in south on Tuesday (at midday)

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn19217.png

29C in west on Wednesday (at midday)

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn21617.png

29C in central England on Thursday (at midday).

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn24017.png

Extending further on this run

28C in central England on Friday 26th

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn26417.png

Originally Posted by: Steam Fog 



That's nice - I thought cracks were starting to show in this nice spell - if this comes off then we're in for a further extension of this excellent weather.


The more the better if you ask me.



 


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Gary L
15 July 2013 18:05:48

The 12z ensembles are settled for longer. The breakdown always seems like it's 10 days away at the moment! 

Ally Pally Snowman
15 July 2013 18:12:49


The 12z ensembles are settled for longer. The breakdown always seems like it's 10 days away at the moment! 


Originally Posted by: Gary L 


 


Indeed hot and settled to at least the 27th now.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png


 


 


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Hungry Tiger
15 July 2013 18:14:53



The 12z ensembles are settled for longer. The breakdown always seems like it's 10 days away at the moment! 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


 


Indeed hot and settled to at least the 27th now.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png


 


 


Originally Posted by: Gary L 



 


 


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Jiries
15 July 2013 18:16:48

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png


Further extension to 29th July now from 26th yesterday 12z runs.  This reminded me of Moscow never ending 20-25C uppers that kept extending it and kept our unsettled weather extending as well with settled HP kept pushed away. 


Very rare to see solid waves of 12-13C uppers almost all the way which 13C uppers occur around 6pm and 12C uppers around 6am by morning every day until 24th July then a slow decline.  Again was the same thing happened in Moscow's ensembles but because we have sea around it we get temps of 28-31C for next 2 weeks.  If UK have a bigger land then we would be looking at 34-38C every day.


 

Essan
15 July 2013 18:22:52


As these runs come and go the breakdown doesn't seem to be getting any closer does it - Always seems to be around Day's 8-10?


Originally Posted by: Matty H 



Standard blocking high scenario isn't it? Doesn't seem to matter whether it's summer or winter, the models don't handle it very well at all. The breakdown at around a week to ten days always seems to be there. It'll be right eventually.

Originally Posted by: Gavin P 





I remember the same happening in 2006

When a breakdown has good model support within a 5 day timeframe I'll believe it.   But I suspect, especially with a weak jet stream, that the current pattern will persist for some time yet - as has been the case for much of the last few years (winter as well as summer).  The only dfference between summer 2012 and 2013 is that this time we're on on the 'hot side' of a persistant block.


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Rob K
15 July 2013 18:24:49


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3602.png 

I don't think it would be long before we saw things settle down again.

Originally Posted by: Jiries 


Look at the over 15C uppers at the Arctic circle zone.  I wonder what the maxes would be given out over there?



16C uppers right into the Russian arctic (Novaya Zemlya) by the end of this week: http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1022.png


 


The average high there is only 9.9C in July but it seems hot weather is not unknown, with a max on record of over 28C: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novaya_Zemlya#Climate


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Jiries
15 July 2013 18:30:51

That would threaten to break the 28C record if 16C uppers does reach that and under 24 hours sunshine would give a 30C but there so much cold sea around it and the islands very small but you never know.

Ally Pally Snowman
15 July 2013 18:42:32

Hot and could start to get thundery as well.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1681.html


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Ally Pally Snowman
15 July 2013 18:53:12

Hot and pretty settled. Probably 30c for the South there.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1921.html


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2161.html


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
TimS
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15 July 2013 18:55:22
Definitely a 1995 feeling to this heatwave rather than other more recent efforts like 2003 or 2006. Just very warm for a long time. The evolution on the 12z ECM is very reminiscent of the end of the June 95 spell.

I still suspect there will be a breakdown of sorts at the end of the month. The ensembles all show mean pressure falling, one way or the other. I am praying the breakdown, when it comes, is either dry and drought extending, or thundery.


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Gooner
15 July 2013 18:55:34


Hot and pretty settled. Probably 30c for the South there.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1921.html


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2161.html


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


I'm already planning the weekend


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North Oxfordshire
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Ally Pally Snowman
15 July 2013 19:02:20

Very hot in the South and still fairly settled.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2402.html


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2401.html


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
TimS
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15 July 2013 19:15:18
ECM 240 looks like a thunder fest to me.
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GIBBY
15 July 2013 19:26:05

Good evening. Here is tonight's look at the outputs issued at midday of GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Monday July 15th 2013.


All models continue to project a prolonged period of fine and dry weather still to come with very warm or hot and sunny conditions across Southern Britain extending further North across Scotland too later in the week. The few exceptions as mentioned in earlier reports remain, and they are sea fog and low cloud in Western Coastal areas early in the period and maybe in Eastern coastal areas later in the week as winds shift Easterly in response to the Northward movement of High pressure to Scotland. The weekend too looks like being another hot and sunny one nationwide with light Easterly winds and little if any cloud.


GFS then shows next week as a week when slow changes begin to take place as pressure begins to fall somewhat though it will be late in the week or weekend before any noteworthy changes look likely to affect anywhere away from the South where a few thundery showers will push up from the continent at the same time as Low pressure slips in from the NW with rain and cooler air slipping in from off the Atlantic. The run ends with a cooler Atlantic set up with Low pressure to the North with fronts crossing East bringing rain and then showery weather to all parts.


The GFS Ensembles show a continuing trend towards cooler air moving in from the NW late in the period with rain at times and rather cooler conditions. However, the ensemble mean still shows a group of members averaging conditions still set quite fair and warm in the South late in the run.


The Jet Stream shows the flow harmlessly blowing across very far Northern sea waters  before it gently descends South towards the UK at the very end of tonight's output.


UKMO shows High pressure centred over the Shetland Islands by Sunday with a ridge still lying South from its core down across the UK maintaining fine, sunny, very warm  and settled weather for all though the odd thundery shower may well be grazing the far SW by Sunday night should it verify.


GEM tonight shows pressure slowly leaking away early next week as the High moves further away to the NE. Low pressure will be closing in from both the South and NW with the risk of some thundery showers as well as Atlantic rainfall approaching the NW later with attendant cooler and fresher air for 10 days time on.


NAVGEM tonight too pushes High pressure further away to the North through the start of next week with the risk of showers, some thundery increasing as we move deeper into next week.


ECM tonight shows a slow deterioration in conditions next week but not necessarily in temperature terms. It looks like pressure will fall slack as the High pressure over the UK becomes more ill defined with light winds and maintained high temperatures creating more instability aloft with an increase in the risk of thundery showers developing across the UK as we move through the week.


In Summary changes in the weather remain slow with little or no change at all expected within the next 7 days with the far North joining in with the very warm and sunny conditions too beyond midweek. Next week sees slowly falling pressure with several scenarios playing out for position between the models. There has been a slight shift towards the risk of a more thundery phase in conditions as we move through next week prior to the Atlantic moving back in towards the UK late in the extended outputs tonight. Nevertheless, there is little to concern those wanting to see maintained fine and settled weather. Any major shift toward anything significantly cooler is still only shown in output between 10-14 days away and the partial deterioration in synoptic pressure patterns shown by mid term output next week would likely only result in scattered heavy and thundery showers with many places seeing the balance maintained to bias fine and warm conditions continuing for some while longer.  


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Ally Pally Snowman
15 July 2013 19:36:22

The 12z ECM wouldnt be far off giving us another 10 days of 30c.


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Stormchaser
15 July 2013 19:41:51

It's not uncommon for long runs of HP in summer to fizzle out into a 'vauge soup' in which conditions tend to be very warm to hot but also thundery at times.


GFS keeps showing a burst of strong jet energy preventing such a scenario, but has shifted it back in time with each new run. The 12z GEFS are notably slower to lower the 850's, with the mean taking two days longer to drop below 10°C - it now takes until 29th, nearly into August now.


ECM was showing a raging jet of epic proportions for it's 9-10 day evolution on the 12z of Saturday, and didn't back off much for Sunday's 12z, but tonight's 12z has toned it down substantially, with LP to the NW just hanging around in situ performing a subtle dance, waiting to see if a Euro trough fancies a swing.




I'm glad to see some interesting snyoptics looking likely to follow this prolonged very warm to hot spell of weather


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cowman
15 July 2013 19:43:57
Thanks martin
David M Porter
15 July 2013 20:58:29


Good evening. Here is tonight's look at the outputs issued at midday of GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Monday July 15th 2013.


All models continue to project a prolonged period of fine and dry weather still to come with very warm or hot and sunny conditions across Southern Britain extending further North across Scotland too later in the week. The few exceptions as mentioned in earlier reports remain, and they are sea fog and low cloud in Western Coastal areas early in the period and maybe in Eastern coastal areas later in the week as winds shift Easterly in response to the Northward movement of High pressure to Scotland. The weekend too looks like being another hot and sunny one nationwide with light Easterly winds and little if any cloud.


GFS then shows next week as a week when slow changes begin to take place as pressure begins to fall somewhat though it will be late in the week or weekend before any noteworthy changes look likely to affect anywhere away from the South where a few thundery showers will push up from the continent at the same time as Low pressure slips in from the NW with rain and cooler air slipping in from off the Atlantic. The run ends with a cooler Atlantic set up with Low pressure to the North with fronts crossing East bringing rain and then showery weather to all parts.


The GFS Ensembles show a continuing trend towards cooler air moving in from the NW late in the period with rain at times and rather cooler conditions. However, the ensemble mean still shows a group of members averaging conditions still set quite fair and warm in the South late in the run.


The Jet Stream shows the flow harmlessly blowing across very far Northern sea waters  before it gently descends South towards the UK at the very end of tonight's output.


UKMO shows High pressure centred over the Shetland Islands by Sunday with a ridge still lying South from its core down across the UK maintaining fine, sunny, very warm  and settled weather for all though the odd thundery shower may well be grazing the far SW by Sunday night should it verify.


GEM tonight shows pressure slowly leaking away early next week as the High moves further away to the NE. Low pressure will be closing in from both the South and NW with the risk of some thundery showers as well as Atlantic rainfall approaching the NW later with attendant cooler and fresher air for 10 days time on.


NAVGEM tonight too pushes High pressure further away to the North through the start of next week with the risk of showers, some thundery increasing as we move deeper into next week.


ECM tonight shows a slow deterioration in conditions next week but not necessarily in temperature terms. It looks like pressure will fall slack as the High pressure over the UK becomes more ill defined with light winds and maintained high temperatures creating more instability aloft with an increase in the risk of thundery showers developing across the UK as we move through the week.


In Summary changes in the weather remain slow with little or no change at all expected within the next 7 days with the far North joining in with the very warm and sunny conditions too beyond midweek. Next week sees slowly falling pressure with several scenarios playing out for position between the models. There has been a slight shift towards the risk of a more thundery phase in conditions as we move through next week prior to the Atlantic moving back in towards the UK late in the extended outputs tonight. Nevertheless, there is little to concern those wanting to see maintained fine and settled weather. Any major shift toward anything significantly cooler is still only shown in output between 10-14 days away and the partial deterioration in synoptic pressure patterns shown by mid term output next week would likely only result in scattered heavy and thundery showers with many places seeing the balance maintained to bias fine and warm conditions continuing for some while longer.  


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 


Thanks Martin.


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