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14 July 2013 19:27:02




Don't get me wrong... I wasn't complaining, I love the hot weather and would move to warmer climes at the drop of a hat. In terms of Firefighting, it may do us a favour.... along with increased Fire prevention the run of appalling summers has seen the Fire Service across the UK get a lot quieter in terms of call numbers which has played right into the modernisation/cuts agenda. My own Fire Service is on the verge of shutting 10 Stations and deleting 550 Ff posts... this summer is too late, but the increase in calls will buck the 'downward' trend of the graph.


Meanwhile, I'll continue to look at the model output discussions with increased joy and excitement.


Originally Posted by: Gooner 

I agree with your sentiments entirely and back you all the way!  Our local station has one pump with a retained crew and was earmaked for closure a couple of years ago but locals successfully campaigned to keep it open.  We're 20 minutes (on a good day with twos and blues) away from the next nearest station and are surrounded by Sherwood Forest, which has in some years kept Nottinghamshire crews busy all summer.  The weather in recent summers hasn't produced conditions for large scale undergrowth fires, so the number of shouts has dropped and given reason for cuts, but that doesn't mean they're not going to happen again.  A hot dry summer with no fire crews would put us all under threat, so I just hope this hot spell has come soon enough to make those in their ivory towers lick the egg of their faces! 


 


Anyway in general, whatever the weather, there's always going to be some who don't like it.  I'm loving it!  


Originally Posted by: Caz 


Are most of the call outs hot weather related? Just asking the question, surely cuts aren't made on the lack of hot weather?


Originally Posted by: chuckfireswift 


 


Not all calls overall. But historically the 'bread and butter' of the Fire Brigade is small outdoor and rubbish fires, a significant reduction in them is a significant reduction in calls. Of course there has been great progress in Home Fire Safety, Automatic Fire Alarm call reduction and also person shuts in lifts (a big problem in London with 5000+ taller buildings). So overall with several bad summer added ot this has shown around a one third reduction in calls.


But the hot weather is a multi-fold issue for fire services; most commonly, kids go out to play instead of being stuck indoors on their X box, they get bored, so they set things on fire... grass, rubbish and so on. Because it is dry it spreads and can become a larger fire requiring more than one fire engine. More kids see the Fire engines arrive, see that as a bit of adventure so off they go again and more kids light more fires. Fire crews get stretched, so attendance times are longer, fires develop more.


http://metro.co.uk/2013/07/14/200-people-evacuated-after-fire-in-bow-high-rise-flats-3882169/?ITO=news-sitemap . And for some indeterminable reason, we just seem to get busier overall.


So, if a small County Fire Brigade that may receive 100 calls per day sees a rise of 20-30 calls per day during summer months, A reduction of say 3000 calls on their 30,000 annual total is significant when it comes to their grant settlement. The same can be said for big Metropolitan Fire Brigades, but just increase the numbers fivefold.

patricia
15 July 2013 13:00:15

I,m really lucky that I have been able to get away from the searing heat where I live, to a cooler place, into my 3rd week now, but dreading to see how parched my lawns at home will be when I enventually make it back ,which could be another 2 weeks yet

schmee
15 July 2013 15:22:32
Still dry and hot. Good weather for strawberries not ducks . 🙂 🙂
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KevBrads1
16 July 2013 07:41:23
Hmm I wonder if we will end up with one of the driest Julys on record for England and Wales

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Saint Snow
16 July 2013 09:05:01

Anyone know how agriculture is faring? After a succession of washout summers reducing many crop yields and pushing up prices, we really could do with a strong harvest year and a fallback from the ridiculous cost of grain-related products and many vegetables.


Whilst loving the warm/hot, sunny & dry spell, I really don't want to there to be too much of a negative impact on crops.


 


On the plus side, the nation's beleagured hoteliers & seaside resorts must be praying this weather lasts well into the school summer holidays



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AlvinMeister
16 July 2013 09:21:35

After the last 6 years, anything other than the current conditions until August 31st and I think we will have been short changed! 

16 July 2013 09:24:31

We get very little rain here even during unsettled spells but after about 2 weeks of no rainfall at all it is starting to look more like southern Spain out there.

speckledjim
16 July 2013 09:43:40

Hmm I wonder if we will end up with one of the driest Julys on record for England and Wales 8.2mm. 1825 9.1mm. 1800 15.8mm. 1911 20.0mm. 1868 21.6mm. 1869 23.7mm. 1977

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


6mm so far here and nothing in sight for the foreseeable future


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ARTzeman
16 July 2013 09:56:35

One Farmer I spoke to after turning over the recently cut hay in the field at the back of me said...It is okay for the hay but,,,,,The rain is needed now  to get the grass  growing again...The cattle and horses need it.






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speckledjim
16 July 2013 12:04:40
Yorkshire water reservoirs at 74%
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schmee
16 July 2013 12:18:30
The grass is straw like in most areas. hosepipes? Ok
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16 July 2013 20:57:06

The corn fields around me are already golden and looking ready to harvest.  Farmers have irrigation sprays in fields of root crops and they've looking good.  


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Jive Buddy
16 July 2013 21:27:03





Don't get me wrong... I wasn't complaining, I love the hot weather and would move to warmer climes at the drop of a hat. In terms of Firefighting, it may do us a favour.... along with increased Fire prevention the run of appalling summers has seen the Fire Service across the UK get a lot quieter in terms of call numbers which has played right into the modernisation/cuts agenda. My own Fire Service is on the verge of shutting 10 Stations and deleting 550 Ff posts... this summer is too late, but the increase in calls will buck the 'downward' trend of the graph.


Meanwhile, I'll continue to look at the model output discussions with increased joy and excitement.


Originally Posted by: chuckfireswift 

I agree with your sentiments entirely and back you all the way!  Our local station has one pump with a retained crew and was earmaked for closure a couple of years ago but locals successfully campaigned to keep it open.  We're 20 minutes (on a good day with twos and blues) away from the next nearest station and are surrounded by Sherwood Forest, which has in some years kept Nottinghamshire crews busy all summer.  The weather in recent summers hasn't produced conditions for large scale undergrowth fires, so the number of shouts has dropped and given reason for cuts, but that doesn't mean they're not going to happen again.  A hot dry summer with no fire crews would put us all under threat, so I just hope this hot spell has come soon enough to make those in their ivory towers lick the egg of their faces! 


 


Anyway in general, whatever the weather, there's always going to be some who don't like it.  I'm loving it!  


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Are most of the call outs hot weather related? Just asking the question, surely cuts aren't made on the lack of hot weather?


Originally Posted by: Caz 


 


Not all calls overall. But historically the 'bread and butter' of the Fire Brigade is small outdoor and rubbish fires, a significant reduction in them is a significant reduction in calls. Of course there has been great progress in Home Fire Safety, Automatic Fire Alarm call reduction and also person shuts in lifts (a big problem in London with 5000+ taller buildings). So overall with several bad summer added ot this has shown around a one third reduction in calls.


But the hot weather is a multi-fold issue for fire services; most commonly, kids go out to play instead of being stuck indoors on their X box, they get bored, so they set things on fire... grass, rubbish and so on. Because it is dry it spreads and can become a larger fire requiring more than one fire engine. More kids see the Fire engines arrive, see that as a bit of adventure so off they go again and more kids light more fires. Fire crews get stretched, so attendance times are longer, fires develop more.


http://metro.co.uk/2013/07/14/200-people-evacuated-after-fire-in-bow-high-rise-flats-3882169/?ITO=news-sitemap . And for some indeterminable reason, we just seem to get busier overall.


So, if a small County Fire Brigade that may receive 100 calls per day sees a rise of 20-30 calls per day during summer months, A reduction of say 3000 calls on their 30,000 annual total is significant when it comes to their grant settlement. The same can be said for big Metropolitan Fire Brigades, but just increase the numbers fivefold.


Originally Posted by: chuckfireswift 


Interesting stuff CFS, and welcome to the forum . My son is a firefighter at Canterbury, and I'll be seeing him on Friday, so I'll get his take on how the recent weather has affected them. There does seem to have been an in increase in vehicle fires lately, but that might just be down to my perception.


I'm a member of the Red Cross Fire and Emergency Support Service, and we've had no shouts in this area for 3 months! The same certainly wouldn't be true, if we'd had heavy thunderstorms - house strikes, flooding, and power outages would be giving us a fair few.


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P+ve Giant
18 July 2013 10:17:24

This time last year some trees were shedding their leaves due to disease from the prolonged wet conditions, now some are taking on autumnal hues and shedding their leaves in the drought conditions!


John.
Frost Hollow
18 July 2013 10:28:22

3.4mm here thats 127.45mm less than July 2012 total

ARTzeman
18 July 2013 11:41:00

Prolonged it is and shall be  thus......


 


Chew Valley reservoir  now   79% full


 


Last year at this time           1005%   full


 


July   2011                           61%    full


 






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Charmhills
19 July 2013 17:24:42

On BBC news about wild fires raging across the UK and even hotter next week.


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schmee
19 July 2013 17:27:59
I haven't seen the grass in this state in a long time.
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Rob K
19 July 2013 17:31:58


Prolonged it is and shall be  thus......


 


Chew Valley reservoir  now   79% full


 


Last year at this time           1005%   full


 


July   2011                           61%    full


 


Originally Posted by: ARTzeman 



 


Is that 105% or was it under a few hundred feet of water last year?


 


 


On BBC news about wild fires raging across the UK and even hotter next week.

Charmhills wrote:


Why do the media always have to do this? "And there's worse to come". Yes Monday and Tuesday will be hot, but unlikely to beat the 32C we have already seen, and then from Wednesday there will be a cool down to low 20s by the weekend. To suggest next week will be "even hotter" is just total crap.


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idj20
19 July 2013 19:08:11

I haven't seen the grass in this state in a long time.

Originally Posted by: schmee 



That's nothing new for around here as this is the third season in a row that my lawn went all parched looking. Yes, even last year as we missed out on the heavy rains and deluges.
  Good job grass is such a resiliant thing as it does bounce back every time.


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richardabdn
19 July 2013 19:29:42

Just 89.6mm here since 1st April 


The lowest April to July totals I can find for local stations were 108mm in 1976 and 133mm in 1868.


Grass is not looking that parched though. Not like 2003 and 1976 would have been worse still as it was the culmination of over 5 years of consistently well below average rainfall.


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Essan
19 July 2013 19:58:22

Grass round here looking worse than it did in the 2011 drought, although trees look heathier - the difference between a short spell of no rain combined with heat/sun and a much longer spell of much reduced rainfall.


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Essan
19 July 2013 20:00:00



Prolonged it is and shall be  thus......


 


Chew Valley reservoir  now   79% full


 


Last year at this time           1005%   full


 


July   2011                           61%    full


 


Originally Posted by: Rob K 



 


Is that 105% or was it under a few hundred feet of water last year?


 


 


On BBC news about wild fires raging across the UK and even hotter next week.

Originally Posted by: ARTzeman 


Why do the media always have to do this? "And there's worse to come". Yes Monday and Tuesday will be hot, but unlikely to beat the 32C we have already seen, and then from Wednesday there will be a cool down to low 20s by the weekend. To suggest next week will be "even hotter" is just total crap.


Charmhills wrote:



You misunderstand.

They meant there are worse weather related news "stories" to come


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jamesthemonkeh
19 July 2013 20:06:58

Grass needs moisture near the surface, hence why it is looking so dry.


I expect August, September and October to be months with above average rainfall.


Rob K
19 July 2013 23:03:10

Grass needs moisture near the surface, hence why it is looking so dry.


I expect August, September and October to be months with above average rainfall.

Originally Posted by: jamesthemonkeh 



Not just the grass though. Several of my plants that I missed watering for a few days have gone almost to the point of dying and not sure if they will recover. Azaleas and blueberry bush are very dried up and some other shrubs have totally wilted. Gave them all a good soaking tonight so they might perk up.
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