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nickl
18 July 2013 19:09:12

starting to wonder if the upper trough will actually make it very far north before it fills. given that the blocking tends to become more resistant as we approach verification, it wouldnt take too much to keep that troughing over n france.

Polar Low
18 July 2013 19:10:50

 Epic ecm for heat and maybe stroms has also given ukmo a huge horse fart

GIBBY
18 July 2013 19:21:19

Good evening folks. From a sweltering West Country here's tonight's report on the midday outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Thursday July 18th 2013.


All models show High pressure centred over Northern Britain with a developing if light Easterly flow setting up across England and Wales. The net effect of this will to temper the intensity of the heat over Central and Eastern areas over the next two or three days as low cloud drifts in from the North Sea night and morning. Any threat of showers over the coming days is so remote it barely warrants a mention with all areas enjoying plenty more very warm sunshine after cloud clears the East each morning.


GFS then shows next week staying hot and humid with a few thundery showers early in the week and rather more later on as a developing Low pressure changes the complexion of the weather entirely next weekend as cool and wet weather develops from a slow moving Low over Southern Britain by then. Through the rest of the run tonight the weather remains cooler and more changeable with rain or showers at times as cooler Atlantic winds maintain Low pressure close to the North.


The GFS Ensembles continue to show the period of change as the 26th to 27th with cooler and more unsettled conditions developing from the SW. The operational one was a cold outlier though from the inception of the cooler conditions however the general pattern shown within the ensemble pack does offer good support for the operational's general evolution.


The Jet Stream shows a worrying shift towards moving South of the British Isles from about a week to 10 days time.


UKMO tonight continues to show a flat pattern covering the British Isles over the middle of next week with hot and humid air near the surface and cooler unstable uppers riding over the top giving rise to the likelihood of some big thunderstorms as we move deeper into next week.


GEM shows pressure falling to the South through next week with a fresh Easerly breeze across England and Wales. Thundery showers would be fed up into Southern Britain at times while the north holds on to something drier and warmer as a ridge holds sway close by.


NAVGEM shows a UKMO type pattern with a shallow and thundery trough straddled across the UK in the middle of next week. With warm air still in place across many areas thundery showers will occur in places at times but may not be widespread with some places staying dry and warm.


ECM though showing an increase in humidity and the risk of thunderstorms next week, high temperatures remain and High pressure albeit weak and somewhat ill defined by the end of next week is still close enough to give some very warm and sunny conditions at times between the showers. There doesn't look much impetus in making any unsettled characteristics to the weather from next week's charts into a full blooded breakdown with Day 10 leaning more towards a more NW/SE split developing with fine and dry conditions looking like returning to the South and East with some rain at times and cooler air in the North and West.


In Summary it's a mixed bag tonight with GFS flying the flag in the breakdown corner with ECM and probably NAVGEM less convincing on this score with further fine and warm weather shown with the occasional summer thunderstorm possible at times. GFS has showed this more progressive change now for some days and backed by it's ensemble data we cannot discount it but it does seem isolated when placed in context to the other models who prefer a more gentle breakdown in synoptics with scattered thunderstorms in continuing warm conditions more likely than general cool Atlantic winds. It's a case of more runs required I'm afraid tonight.


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Charmhills
18 July 2013 19:21:52


starting to wonder if the upper trough will actually make it very far north before it fills. given that the blocking tends to become more resistant as we approach verification, it wouldnt take too much to keep that troughing over n france.


Originally Posted by: nickl 


Yep anything is possible in such slack synoptics.


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Polar Low
18 July 2013 19:26:29

Thanks Martin

Gooner
18 July 2013 19:27:22


Still hot in 10 days.  ECM cant bring itself to give up the heat.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2402.html


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Certainly a warm run again from ECM, just goes on and on


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cowman
18 July 2013 19:28:52
Thanks martin
David M Porter
18 July 2013 20:45:56


Good evening folks. From a sweltering West Country here's tonight's report on the midday outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Thursday July 18th 2013.


All models show High pressure centred over Northern Britain with a developing if light Easterly flow setting up across England and Wales. The net effect of this will to temper the intensity of the heat over Central and Eastern areas over the next two or three days as low cloud drifts in from the North Sea night and morning. Any threat of showers over the coming days is so remote it barely warrants a mention with all areas enjoying plenty more very warm sunshine after cloud clears the East each morning.


GFS then shows next week staying hot and humid with a few thundery showers early in the week and rather more later on as a developing Low pressure changes the complexion of the weather entirely next weekend as cool and wet weather develops from a slow moving Low over Southern Britain by then. Through the rest of the run tonight the weather remains cooler and more changeable with rain or showers at times as cooler Atlantic winds maintain Low pressure close to the North.


The GFS Ensembles continue to show the period of change as the 26th to 27th with cooler and more unsettled conditions developing from the SW. The operational one was a cold outlier though from the inception of the cooler conditions however the general pattern shown within the ensemble pack does offer good support for the operational's general evolution.


The Jet Stream shows a worrying shift towards moving South of the British Isles from about a week to 10 days time.


UKMO tonight continues to show a flat pattern covering the British Isles over the middle of next week with hot and humid air near the surface and cooler unstable uppers riding over the top giving rise to the likelihood of some big thunderstorms as we move deeper into next week.


GEM shows pressure falling to the South through next week with a fresh Easerly breeze across England and Wales. Thundery showers would be fed up into Southern Britain at times while the north holds on to something drier and warmer as a ridge holds sway close by.


NAVGEM shows a UKMO type pattern with a shallow and thundery trough straddled across the UK in the middle of next week. With warm air still in place across many areas thundery showers will occur in places at times but may not be widespread with some places staying dry and warm.


ECM though showing an increase in humidity and the risk of thunderstorms next week, high temperatures remain and High pressure albeit weak and somewhat ill defined by the end of next week is still close enough to give some very warm and sunny conditions at times between the showers. There doesn't look much impetus in making any unsettled characteristics to the weather from next week's charts into a full blooded breakdown with Day 10 leaning more towards a more NW/SE split developing with fine and dry conditions looking like returning to the South and East with some rain at times and cooler air in the North and West.


In Summary it's a mixed bag tonight with GFS flying the flag in the breakdown corner with ECM and probably NAVGEM less convincing on this score with further fine and warm weather shown with the occasional summer thunderstorm possible at times. GFS has showed this more progressive change now for some days and backed by it's ensemble data we cannot discount it but it does seem isolated when placed in context to the other models who prefer a more gentle breakdown in synoptics with scattered thunderstorms in continuing warm conditions more likely than general cool Atlantic winds. It's a case of more runs required I'm afraid tonight.


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 


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Hungry Tiger
18 July 2013 21:56:46



Thundery breakdown looks great on GFS 12z.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 




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18 July 2013 22:21:14

Martin's post goes some way to explaining what is still an indecisive outlook from the models currently. I'm cheering ECM on at the moment 


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Gooner
18 July 2013 22:53:57

The one disappointing thing will be is if this very hot spell fails to go out with a bang


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Gooner
18 July 2013 23:05:02

http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/charts/gefs/gefsens850London0.png


Crikey the 12z had a real downward trend


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Gooner
19 July 2013 05:55:08

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn13817.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn16217.png


Wednesday now looking to be the last hot day of this spell..............according to GFS


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Sevendust
19 July 2013 06:46:42


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn13817.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn16217.png


Wednesday now looking to be the last hot day of this spell..............according to GFS


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Yes - Looks like the cut-off LP will eventually open the door to an attack from the WNW and a spell of quite unsettled conditions.

Ally Pally Snowman
19 July 2013 06:48:12
Ally Pally Snowman
19 July 2013 06:54:50

 


Still very warm with some thundery showers around but still not the Ark Armageddon that the GFS shows.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1921.html


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2161.html


 


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Ally Pally Snowman
19 July 2013 07:03:04

Perhaps a proper breakdown at day 10 but still warm. ECM still has another 10 days of 28c somewhere in the UK


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2402.html


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Ally Pally Snowman
19 July 2013 07:12:41

UKMO goes for a earlier more convincing breakdown than ECM.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm1201.html


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm1441.html


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Ally Pally Snowman
19 July 2013 07:20:37

Some hot runs coming back after the 27th and the Mean doesnt get below average until the 29th now. Very wet though between the 25th and 29th. A fascinating spell of weather coming up thats for sure.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png


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GIBBY
19 July 2013 07:25:56

Good morning folks. Here is my version on the course of events over the next 14 days or so using the midnight computer outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Friday July 19th 2013.


All models seem to handle the synoptics very similar for the next 5-6 days taking us up until the middle of next week. High pressure rmeains the dominant force positioned over Northern parts of the UK with a gentle but subtle feed of ENE winds across Southern parts. These winds will advance low cloud across from the East tonight to greet most Central and eastern parts with a grey and cooler start to the day tomorrow. The highest temperatures will then be felt over more western and NW areas where skies stay clear and sunny with these conditions spreading back to the East during the daytime's tomorrow and Sunday. Early next week winds are shown by all models to fall slack and light and with more humidity being fed into the UK the temperatures will soar again for a while early in the week and with the injection of humidity the risk of isolated showers and thunderstorms increase across the South and West by Tuesday as a trough edges in from the SW.


GFS then develops this feature more later in the week though less dramatically than last night. There would be a zone of thundery weather trundling North over the UK followed by brighter and fresher weather with sunny spells and dry conditions again most likely for a time over the weekend. Then through the second week Low pressure takes more overall control feeding in cooler atlantic air and setting the UK up for a heady mix of breezy conditions, average temperatures and rain at times with Low pressure in close attendance near the UK.


The GFS Ensembles show Low pressure developing to the West of the UK later next week as the favoured option with still a fair amount of dry weather to be found, especially towards the East where it would likely stay warm for a time before a Westerly flow is favoured by the end of the run. The 26th still looks the preferred date of change from GFS.


The Jet Stream today shows the flow to the NW breaking up over the next few days in response to High pressure migrating further North. Then as Low pressure meanders up from the SW the flow out of the States is engaged and eventually carries the flow across the UK through Week 2.


UKMO today shows a shallow and showery trough across the UK on Thursday of next week, moving slowly North. There would most likely be a band of showers and thunderstorms moving slowly NE over the UK, more likely over the North by Thursday while the South becomes brighter and slightly fresher but still warm with just scattered showers in winds turning to the SW.


GEM today is slower to bring the thundery zone North. It reaches the South on Thursday and becomes a slow moving and complex thundery Low feature with a lot of warm and humid air entrained. Slightly fresher air then movesacross from the SW across Southern areas over next weekend.


NAVGEM is also trending towards a thundery breakdown later next week as Low pressure moves slowly North from Biscay late next week. There would be some fine and sunny weather about still, especially in the North but most Southern areas would be likely to see at least some thundery rain or storms by the weekend.


ECM today shows a thundery trend too later next week though it's hard to gauge the Northwards extent and how widespread such an event is likely to be with no definitive movements to the features bringing this change. As a result the UK is left in a humid pool of very warm air which looks like becoming slowly displaced from the West over next weekend as Low pressure and cooler air to the West exerts some influence towards and over the UK then. 


In Summary though a basic slow trend towards something more thundery next week is emerging where it leaves the UK by the end of the week and next weekend is unclear. GFS has ditched it's deeply unsettled phase next weekend with a much more gentle approach this morning while the other output all show a zone of thundery weather moving slowly North later in the week. I am less then convinced that a major thundery outbreak is likely from these type of synoptics as the features moving up from the SW are shallow and ill defined. Yes, I'm sure there will be some nasty storms scattered about next week but 'scattered' is likely to be the key word as I think some places may miss them and stay largely dry and still very warm at least until the weekend when a gentle cooling trend might edge in from off the Atlantic.


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Jiries
19 July 2013 07:29:33

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png


Possible u-turn to keep the heat going on as the ensmebles showing support for rising uppers between 27-29th July so one to watch if this will firm up and stay warm to hot all the way into August. 


 


Mostly likely ECM temps profile will be outcome next week.

Ally Pally Snowman
19 July 2013 07:42:53

Summer soon to be over if we believe the ECM32 and GFS ensembles not looking good.


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"Less said about overnight update of EC32 the better. Develops low pressure late July and keeps it until mid-August."


"00z GFS ENS for early August is indicating a distinctly cyclonic/low pressure dominated pattern over the UK... "


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Jiries
19 July 2013 07:47:25


Summer soon to be over if we believe the ECM32 and GFS ensembles not looking good.


Matt Hugo Twitter


 


"Less said about overnight update of EC32 the better. Develops low pressure late July and keeps it until mid-August."


"00z GFS ENS for early August is indicating a distinctly cyclonic/low pressure dominated pattern over the UK... "


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Stupid ECM32 'want or demand' unsettled weather all the time and never came off.  Last update was stupidly want unsettled spell from 15th July but hey we still under the hot spell and more hotter weather next week.  August it likely to be decent one as this summer is far different than last year summer.

Ally Pally Snowman
19 July 2013 07:51:30



Summer soon to be over if we believe the ECM32 and GFS ensembles not looking good.


Matt Hugo Twitter


 


"Less said about overnight update of EC32 the better. Develops low pressure late July and keeps it until mid-August."


"00z GFS ENS for early August is indicating a distinctly cyclonic/low pressure dominated pattern over the UK... "


Originally Posted by: Jiries 


Stupid ECM32 'want or demand' unsettled weather all the time and never came off.  Last update was stupidly want unsettled spell from 15th July but hey we still under the hot spell and more hotter weather next week.  August it likely to be decent one as this summer is far different than last year summer.


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


I just cant believe its going to be that wrong, I think August could be a bit of a write off sadly. Thats how it looks at the moment anyway.


 


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Matty H
19 July 2013 07:55:23

Summer soon to be over if we believe the ECM32 and GFS ensembles not looking good.


Matt Hugo Twitter


 


"Less said about overnight update of EC32 the better. Develops low pressure late July and keeps it until mid-August."


"00z GFS ENS for early August is indicating a distinctly cyclonic/low pressure dominated pattern over the UK... "

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 



Less said the better is right as far as that pile of crud is concerned. Hugo's ECM32 tweets have kicked him in the nuts all summer.
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