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Jiries
19 July 2013 22:08:55


Yes "NW/SE split" was one of the buzz phrases of last year. Jiries bemoaning the lack of nationwide hot temps giving very poor heat duration etc...

Meanwhile 18Z GFS blasts away the heat even quicker than 12Z...

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn962.png


 


Once again giving the lie to the oft touted myth that "once HP is established it's very difficult to blow away". Rubbish - it can be and is destroyed in 24 hours in winter or summer. Remember that mega block last winter that was meant to repel the Atlantic attack? It ended up rolling over faster than a Chelsea striker on the edge of the penalty area.


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Yep NW/SE does no wonder at all for us here as we get very limited hot spells that lasted up to 1 or 2 days max but nationwide are far much better, you can see how it lasted 2 weeks of warm to very hot weather and entering the 3rd week of more hot weather that would last until end of next week.

Rob K
19 July 2013 22:14:16
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn12017.png 

And only a day or so ago it looked like the heat might hang on till next Saturday 😞
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NickR
19 July 2013 22:15:04



Yes "NW/SE split" was one of the buzz phrases of last year. Jiries bemoaning the lack of nationwide hot temps giving very poor heat duration etc...

Meanwhile 18Z GFS blasts away the heat even quicker than 12Z...

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn962.png


 


Once again giving the lie to the oft touted myth that "once HP is established it's very difficult to blow away". Rubbish - it can be and is destroyed in 24 hours in winter or summer. Remember that mega block last winter that was meant to repel the Atlantic attack? It ended up rolling over faster than a Chelsea striker on the edge of the penalty area.


Originally Posted by: Jiries 


Yep NW/SE does no wonder at all for us here as we get very limited hot spells that lasted up to 1 or 2 days max but nationwide are far much better, you can see how it lasted 2 weeks of warm to very hot weather and entering the 3rd week of more hot weather that would last until end of next week.


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


...or until Tuesday night on the 18z. 


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19 July 2013 22:21:20

Every run of the GFS brings the breakdown forward. It'll be all over by yesterday at this rate.

Jiries
19 July 2013 22:29:26
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn12017.png 

And only a day or so ago it looked like the heat might hang on till next Saturday :(


In March they tried to cut short on the very cold spells only to be forced back to extend the cold spell that continue into April. Thurs/Friday is the likely days when temps return to average so that almost 3 weeks of 28-33C heatwave for here.

Adrian W
19 July 2013 22:33:54
I see the GFS has reduced the impact of the low to our North West. Also noting that much warmer air is quite a bit further north over Europe on Saturday than the previous run.
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19 July 2013 23:17:18

I see the GFS has reduced the impact of the low to our North West. Also noting that much warmer air is quite a bit further north over Europe on Saturday than the previous run.

Originally Posted by: Adrian W 


GFS had this in the bag from the start but is it being too progressive? Other models keep the heat and breakdown in the latter part of next week  I don't want it to be over as quickly as GFS suggests. A slow and messy humid breakdown is the way to go 


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Matty H
19 July 2013 23:18:32

I see the GFS has reduced the impact of the low to our North West. Also noting that much warmer air is quite a bit further north over Europe on Saturday than the previous run.

Originally Posted by: A3K 


GFS had this in the bag from the start but is it being too progressive? Other models keep the heat and breakdown in the latter part of next week  I don't want it to be over as quickly as GFS suggests. A slow and messy humid breakdown is the way to go 

Originally Posted by: Adrian W 



GFS had this in the bag from the start? 😂 seriously?
20 July 2013 00:37:00

Every run of the GFS brings the breakdown forward. It'll be all over by yesterday at this rate.

Originally Posted by: ManUtdMatt1986 



Hopefully that snow that fell here last night will melt away quickly in the next heatwave!! Its due to start a fortnight ago tomorrow, it peaked at 33C before the frost cooled it down and melted it which convected up into a storm and now its hot again according to the following model

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Gusty
20 July 2013 06:41:36

The breakdown to cooler and fresher conditions is far less convincing today with the GFS and ECM keeping many parts of the UK in the heat on Friday 26th July now.


The old addage of not relying too heavily on output post 144 hours seems to apply.


The heat could well extend now towards August if the trend to weaken the trough and send it further west continues. 


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nickl
20 July 2013 06:41:37
Gfs is always right in the end. Reminds me of the old eric morecambe line 'i'm playing all the right notes - just not necessarily in the right order'!
Scandy 1050 MB
20 July 2013 06:51:32


The breakdown to cooler and fresher conditions is far less convincing today with the GFS and ECM keeping many parts of the UK in the heat on Friday 26th July now.


The old addage of not relying too heavily on output post 144 hours seems to apply.


The heat could well extend now towards August if the trend to weaken the trough and send it further west continues. 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


Seems to be reliant on the Jet kinking over the US eastern seaboard, good video on the BBC weather site from Peter Gibbs - they expect the kink in the jet stream southwards over there to work its way over here by mid week. Going on that the Met office expect midweek next week for the cool off like GFS, though granted ECM coming out now is showing a later in the week cool off than mid week with the heat never too far away from the SE. More runs needed to resolve this one!

Jiries
20 July 2013 06:57:18


The breakdown to cooler and fresher conditions is far less convincing today with the GFS and ECM keeping many parts of the UK in the heat on Friday 26th July now.


The old addage of not relying too heavily on output post 144 hours seems to apply.


The heat could well extend now towards August if the trend to weaken the trough and send it further west continues. 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


They were right few days ago that the heat will stay to Friday, not finishing early as Mon or Tuesday on yesterday runs.  32C on Monday and then rest of the week 25-30C. 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rmgfs1622.gif


Hottest uppers arrive back on Friday as the trend moving westward movement so next few runs may see higher uppers nationwide than just the SE.

Twister
20 July 2013 07:04:18

The 0z GFS run show next week's LP centering itself just to the west of the British Isles all week, drawing hot, unstable air followed by a thundery breakdown mid-week. Nice CAPE forecasts for Monday and Tuesday, e.g.


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2013072000/gfs-11-66.png?0


 


Note that warm uppers reappear again at the end of the week towards the SE, with perhaps another spell of thundery rain? 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2013072000/gfs-1-162.png?0


 


However, just just a few tweaks and the warm uppers will be a glancing blow (as per ECM - althought this still brings this 2nd plume a lot further west than its 12Z run), or miss our shores. Europe could get rather hot though.


The following week shows a more W-E Jet flow over the UK:


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2013072000/gfs-5-216.png?0


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GIBBY
20 July 2013 07:40:21

Good morning everyone. Here is the report on the midnight outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Saturday Julu 20th 2013.


All models now support a change of sorts as we progress through the course of next week. After another surge of heat and humidity in the first half of the week following a cooler weekend a Low pressure looks likely to move slowly North to the West of the UK carrying a zone of thundery rain or storms NE across the UK midweek before potentially cooler and fresher conditions arrive thereafter.


GFS shows the end of the week and weekend as a mix of sunshine and showers, these chiefly in the West. While cooler and fresher it will hold quite warm, especially in the East and SE in a light Southerly flow overall. Through the following week conditions deteriorate further with Low pressure and cooler Atlantic Westerly winds playing a much more dominant role with rain at times and temperatures close to normal. Some drier and brighter periods are still possible though.


The GFS Ensemble data today continue to show the wind of change of previous runs bringing it forward to the 24th and 25th with rainfall scattered about across the UK from then on quite copiously so at times. The general pattern indicated to start August is a broad westerly flow with Low pressure to the North and High near the Azores with fronts crossing East giving all areas occasional rain and temperatures close to average.


The Jet Stream shows the flow to the North collapsing over the next few days with the flow realigning towards the South of the UK as early as the middle and end of the coming week where it remains flowing East over the Atlantic towards Southern Britain thereafter.


UKMO today shows a front moving slowly NE across the UK midweek with a small Low close to western Britain. Behind a band of thundery rain moving East midweek the weather would become steadily fresher though still warm locally with a mix of sunny spells and scattered showers, still potentially thundery in places.


GEM this morning shows a less thundery breakdown with the SE likely to see the greatest risk from this toward midweek before Low pressure moving slowly North and East over the North and West ushers in cooler and fresher weather with rain or showers at times to all areas by the end of the week and over next weekend.


NAVGEM shows thundery conditions moving slowly North over the UK midweek before a slow decline in temperatures result in fresher air being fed into the cyclonic flow over the UK at the end of the week with further showers at times, some heavy especially in the South.


ECM today shows a weak thundery phase midweek more likely for the SE while the majority of the UK would fall under a cooling and fresher regime later in the week following a band of thundery rain moving NE. Behind this brighter skies would most likely lead to sunny spells and continuing warm conditions in the SE while the North and West continue to be prone to showers and outbreaks of rain then in a SW flow and this gradually pushes any remaining warmth away from the SE towards the end of next weekend with rain and showers for all in average temperatures by then.


In Summary today there seems less chance of a flash, bang, wallop end to this hot spell as there looks to be less chance shown of a direct Continental feed promoting thermal Lows usually required for such an event although the SE does look most likely to be at risk of this should it develop. The more cross model support today is given towards a band of thundery rain on a trough associated with a Low just to the West of the UK to trundle NE midweek and in it's wake introduce cooler and fresher conditions from the West slowly across the UK. By the end of the week this process is more or less complete though very warm air remains close to the SE for a time before the Atlantic winds and occasional rain extend through all of Britain on a Westerly flow to commence August. It's hard to say at this range how influential or long lasting this change will be but it does appear odds on now that the end of this memorable hot spell is on the way and we will have to start looking for the green shoots for the start of the next one over the coming days outputs.


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Essan
20 July 2013 07:59:57


I see the GFS has reduced the impact of the low to our North West. Also noting that much warmer air is quite a bit further north over Europe on Saturday than the previous run.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


GFS had this in the bag from the start but is it being too progressive? Other models keep the heat and breakdown in the latter part of next week  I don't want it to be over as quickly as GFS suggests. A slow and messy humid breakdown is the way to go 


Originally Posted by: A3K 



GFS had this in the bag from the start? LOL seriously?

Originally Posted by: Adrian W 



It has - it's been consistently showing a breakdown since before the heatwave began.   Like the man who every day predicts rain tomorrow, sooner or later it had to be right


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Whether Idle
20 July 2013 08:19:17

My take this morning is that ECM is onto the pattern.  The SE appears to stay warm if not hot with uppers in excess of +15 over near continent and slack S ish flow right out to 168.  IMHO the models will continue to over-egg the breakdown at a distance of 144hrs + but closer to reality they are IMHO tending to back off.


 


No doubt others will have a different interpretation, dependent on location, mood, preference as one should expect.  Happy model watching.


 


 


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Ally Pally Snowman
20 July 2013 09:03:34

Big signs the heat might come back the 26th/27th but then looks like we lose it for good by 30th.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png


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briggsy6
20 July 2013 09:25:48

How do you draw out that assumption by looking at the graph? It looks to me more like the heat peaks on Tuesday and then temps gradually trend back to average beyond that.


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Ally Pally Snowman
20 July 2013 09:40:43


How do you draw out that assumption by looking at the graph? It looks to me more like the heat peaks on Tuesday and then temps gradually trend back to average beyond that.


Originally Posted by: briggsy6 


Both the Op and Control go hot around 26th when that happens normally the ensembles follow.


 


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Sevendust
20 July 2013 10:13:43

The last 3rd of July can often be quite a thundery(and warm) time of the year. On balance, this will be the case this year. Next week sees a number of thundery possibilities with a hot start and possibly remaining warm, at worst average(which is good at this time of year anyway) temperatures, even by next weekend. If I'm offered maxes of 21'C and a thundery risk I'd bite your hand off so I see little cause for concern, especially after such a cracking spell. Models suggest a more straightforward zonal set up as we approach August but that isn't horrific, especially in the south where it may still be warm at times

Steam Fog
20 July 2013 10:46:39
Still pretty warm next weekend 26C.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn18017.png 

Looks quite humid.
Jiries
20 July 2013 11:03:41

Still pretty warm next weekend 26C.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn18017.png

Looks quite humid.

Originally Posted by: Steam Fog 


Look good runs and anything Autumnal type remain at FI which is important than seeing HP at FI which mean unsettled for us.  Growing more support for next weekend to be very warm and humid with high 20's temps.  Over 30C to Wed then drop to mid 20's before rising again by next weekend.  I remember few days ago was supposed to be cool and unsettled weekend but now changed.

Whether Idle
20 July 2013 11:39:05


Still pretty warm next weekend 26C.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn18017.png

Looks quite humid.

Originally Posted by: Jiries 


Look good runs and anything Autumnal type remain at FI which is important than seeing HP at FI which mean unsettled for us.  Growing more support for next weekend to be very warm and humid with high 20's temps.  Over 30C to Wed then drop to mid 20's before rising again by next weekend.  I remember few days ago was supposed to be cool and unsettled weekend but now changed.


Originally Posted by: Steam Fog 


You are on the money Jiries.


 


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