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Gooner
20 July 2013 19:19:57

It's looking like the projected temps of 35c a day or so back might be very tough to reach. Looking like 31, maybe 32 somewhere. Certainly higher humidity, so it will feel hotter. Looking more like high 20s for here on Monday, more like low 20s by Tuesday.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


 


Looks a bit warmer than that Matty


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Stormchaser
20 July 2013 19:20:16



 


I've read on NW that back in 2006, the models were showing a breakdown just as they are now, but the Atlantic incursion just got downgraded further and further until at 'the last minute' it became pretty much negligible with temps remaining hot either side of an outbreak of thunderstorms. For all I know it could go that way this time, though I wouldn't bet on it getting as far this time as the jet stream looks stronger on the 96-144h output compared to what can be inferred from archived model output (basing that on a few charts posted on NW though!).


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


It did indeed SC and its happening again. IMO the jury is still out whether the cooler and fresher air will arrive next weekend. 


We shall see.


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


It will make for some very educational observation for less experienced weather-fans if it does happen



The cut-off low that we've all been discussing was originally meant to track NE, in fact UKMO only dropped the idea a few days ago. What I gather is that whenever the strength of the jet stream is toned down bit by bit, it can reach a critical threshold below which it tends to favour the more southerly track, which at this time of year often leads to a cut-off loop supporting a cut-off trough.




Regarding how high temps climb Monday and Tuesday, I suspect that higher temps than generally projected could be achieved on a local scale if somwhere in the SE manages to recieve more sun than the majority. So high 20's to low 30's for most, but the odd 33 or 34°C could sneak it's way in.


In theory the general temps could also edge a bit higher than shown, for example Hurn hit 30.4°C on Friday when GFS was progging 28°C. So you never know!


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David M Porter
20 July 2013 19:23:41


Good evening folks. Here is my review of the midday reports issued by GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Saturday July 20th 2013.


All models suggest changes afoot as we move through the coming week though the extent and effects of these changes on the surface differ somewhat between the outputs. The High pressure close to Northern Britain remains in place a while longer with the cooler cloudier phase of today, tonight and for a while tomorrow being replaced by a surge of hot and humid weather exported from Europe as winds turn more towards the SE. In addition pressure will be falling to the South and SW to some degree or another and the risk of thunderstorms relevant to this pressure fall moves slowly North into the UK over the next 72hrs and most likely further North too by midweek or soon after.


GFS then holds Low pressure out to the West and SW of the UK for the remainder of next week and weekend with showers or longer spells of rain likely, especially in the West and with temperatures only slowly falling back through the second half of the week and weekend some thunderstorms are still possible at times. In the second half of the run the there is very little change until we move beyond the Day 10 time point when a new Atlantic Low brings a more definitive drop in temperatures with fresh Westerly winds and rain at times in a typical Atlantic Westerly set up.


The GFS Ensembles show a two phase cool off tonight. The first one commences on the 24th as the first wave of thundery weather moves North. the second, following a temporary warmer spell in the SE affects all areas from the 28th when Atlantic rain bearing troughs take over proper with average temperatures with wind and rain likely from thereon till the end of the run.


The Jet Stream Forecast tonight is as this morning with the kindly flow blowing well North of the UK dissipating as I type with a new arm already entering the West Atlantic on a collision course with the UK from the middle of the coming week. It then holds it's position blowing East over or close to Southern Britain for the duration of the remainder of the run.


UKMO tonight has a Low pressure complex over Ireland midweek which opens out across Southern Britain by next weekend. The net result is a thundery breakdown before midweek before a slow decline in temperatures looks likely with a typical heady mix of sunny intervals and thundery showers to end the week when it may well still feel quite warm out and about in light winds.


GEM tonight is less enthusiastic about much in the way of a thundery breakdown as it shows a weaker thundery band of weather moving slowly North and East over Tuesday and Wednesday. Later in the week a slow cool down develops as Low pressure commands control close to the NW and West of the UK with increasing amounts of cloud and showery rain to take us through next weekend and the end of the run.


NAVGEM shows a slow progression to rather thundery conditions through the week with a showery theme continuing on through to the end of it's run tonight as slack Low pressure meanders around Southern Britain in slowly cooling air.


ECM tonight shows a less thundery scenario too to end the hot spell with just isolated storms early in the week and perhaps something a little more organized crossing the SE Tuesday before a slow cool off is associated with sunshine and showers for the rest of the week with the West seeing the most showers while the SE maintain some reasonable temperatures for a while. By next weekend with Low pressure close to NW Britain a sunshine and shower mix seems likely with some SE areas still seeing a lot of dry if cooler conditions. The end days of the run do show a mobile Westerly Atlantic flow as a conveyor belt of troughs and disturbances run East across the UK in temperatures much closer to average for all.


In Summary tonight it still looks like a change to cooler weather is on the way. It looks like the first half of the week will see some residual heat with some thunderstorms in places before a gentle decline in temperature values looks odds on as winds turn to a fresher South-westerly later in the week with further showery rain at times. Once this more Atlantic borne weather establishes it looks like it could last for a time before we can look either SW or NE for our next spell of fine weather to hopefully develop as we move into August.


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 


Thanks Martin.


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Hungry Tiger
20 July 2013 19:52:33


Well it fizzles out - but then what.


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Originally Posted by: Matty H 



You start predicting the worst summer ever? Flapper


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


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Gavin P
20 July 2013 19:56:05

Beginning to get the feeling the heat may never really go and may even reload to give another mini-plume next weekend?


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Essan
20 July 2013 19:56:48

It's looking like the projected temps of 35c a day or so back might be very tough to reach. Looking like 31, maybe 32 somewhere. Certainly higher humidity, so it will feel hotter. Looking more like high 20s for here on Monday, more like low 20s by Tuesday.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



Aye, not sure we'll see temps reach as high as they did last year - which is quite surprising given the duration of this hot spell.

But there's still August to come


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Hungry Tiger
20 July 2013 20:04:52


Beginning to get the feeling the heat may never really go and may even reload to give another mini-plume next weekend?


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 



One or two of us are quietly thinking that - still too early to tell though. I know what you mean though.


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Matty H
20 July 2013 20:06:53

It's looking like the projected temps of 35c a day or so back might be very tough to reach. Looking like 31, maybe 32 somewhere. Certainly higher humidity, so it will feel hotter. Looking more like high 20s for here on Monday, more like low 20s by Tuesday.

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


 


Looks a bit warmer than that Matty


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn7817.png

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



Maybe, with the almost certain cloud around I reckon temps will be a few degrees lower. Time will tell
Gooner
20 July 2013 20:24:44


Beginning to get the feeling the heat may never really go and may even reload to give another mini-plume next weekend?


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Keep going Gav


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nickl
20 July 2013 20:39:31


Beginning to get the feeling the heat may never really go and may even reload to give another mini-plume next weekend?


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


the mean upper trough doesnt get as far as ireland before the fi charts 'lift it out' with the wider spread of solutions. that is bound to keep temps up, despite what surface features we have in place. clearly, it wont be hot if its raining! (after wed)


higher height anomoly beginning to establish itself se europe and creeping towards the western med. it is interesting to see the background pattern fighting back.

Gooner
20 July 2013 22:54:19

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Much warmer day tomorrow


 


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Gooner
20 July 2013 22:56:25

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn4817.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn7217.png


Hot and hot for Monday and Tuesday


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http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn12017.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn14417.png


Wed - Fri are still quite warm


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Jiries
20 July 2013 23:20:32

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn962.png


I am quite curious if the Arctic area ever had no green zone completely at all before?  That the lowest green zone since 2003 when it almost all gone.  Quite warm for south Greenland and Iceland with low 20's temps possible as the heat coming from UK.


 


 

moomin75
21 July 2013 06:51:39

Am starting to get very fearful about the weather ahead.


Don't like dealing in hyperbole, but the GFS ensembles are incredibly wet and quite cool - and another washout August could well be on the cards.


I will be lifting anchor on my ark in the next few days.


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GIBBY
21 July 2013 06:59:41

Hi everyone. A slightly shorter version of my report today as I am busy exhibiting with normal service resumed this evening. 


All models show a change on the way. Over the next few days it will become hot again as winds turn SE and drag hot and humid air north across the UK. In addition scattered heavy showers or thunderstorms are likely locally though many places could stay dry. By midweek a more organised band of thundery rain looks like moving NE across the UK with cooler and fresher conditions developing behind soon after midweek. This change on the weather is due to Low pressure developing close to the west of the UK later in the week displacing the influence of our summer High well away to the North by the end of the week.


GFS then shows a sustained unsettled pattern through the second half of it's operational run with rain at times for all in cooler Westerly breezes in association with Low pressure over or close to the North of the UK. Towards the end of the run the first ex tropical storm of the season is show exiting the States across the Atlantic.


The GFS Ensembles show solid agreement for a change back to cooler and unsettled weather, complete by the 27th from which time forward the UK will be covered in outbreaks of rain in predominantly Atlantic sourced winds but with some drier and brighter interludes too.


The Jet Stream shows the flow relocating soon to a position over or even to the South of the UK from midweek on.


UKMO today shows a complex shallow Low over Southern Britain later this coming week and the weekend with thundery showers or outbreaks of rain in cooler conditions by the end of the week.


GEM today shows a showery Low, innitially thundery moving up into Southern areas through the coming week before the weather becomes more mobile with westerly winds with rain at times and temperatures close to average by the end of the run.


NAVGEM shows a swathe of potentially thundery weather advance NE across the UK in the first half of the week. Later in it's run Low pressure remains out to the West but is able to force warm weather back up into the South and East late in the run allowing some fine and warm sunny spells to develop while the West remain prone to more cloud and showers.


ECM shows Low pressure close to the West and NW of Britain later in the week.In the preceding days thundery weather will of moved NE over the UK with fresher and more showery weather following on. This process is complete by the weekend with sunny spells and showers, most of which likely in the North and West. At the end of the run the cooler and changeable pattern is maintained with rain at times in Westerly winds.


In Summary the weather still looks like cooling down this week. We have to get through a hot and humid phase first when thunderstorms will be scattered about though not widely. Then after a band of thundery rain moves NE over the UK midweek it looks like all areas will come under a more changeable pattern with a mix of sunshine and showers with temperatures descending to much nearer the average for late July and early August as Low pressure remain close to or over the north of the British Isles.


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Gooner
21 July 2013 07:06:35

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A hot Monday and Tuesday


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Gooner
21 July 2013 07:08:31

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http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn11417.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn13817.png


Temps still decent for the rest of the working week


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Steam Fog
21 July 2013 07:40:46

Am starting to get very fearful about the weather ahead.


Don't like dealing in hyperbole, but the GFS ensembles are incredibly wet and quite cool - and another washout August could well be on the cards.


I will be lifting anchor on my ark in the next few days.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 



"Very fearful" is a spell of rainy weather that worrying? Not really sure that the ensembles are "incredibly" wet are they? Wet yes, but nothing really extraordinary.

As for not wanting to deal in hyperbole, er.... ;)
Essan
21 July 2013 08:08:59


...it looks like all areas will come under a more changeable pattern with a mix of sunshine and showers with temperatures descending to much nearer the average for late July and early August as Low pressure remain close to or over the north of the British Isles.


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 


But, but, but .......  I thought it's going to be very cold with constant rain for weeks and weeks?!!!   Are you saying that some of the doom-mongers are exageratting?


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21 July 2013 08:15:52



...it looks like all areas will come under a more changeable pattern with a mix of sunshine and showers with temperatures descending to much nearer the average for late July and early August as Low pressure remain close to or over the north of the British Isles.


Originally Posted by: Essan 


But, but, but .......  I thought it's going to be very cold with constant rain for weeks and weeks?!!!   Are you saying that some of the doom-mongers are exageratting?


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 


 


Well it's not just that summer is now completely over (well it is mid July), but unfortunately winter looks like it's all over bar the shouting - at least for those of us that like snow:


http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/people/wwang/cfsv2fcst/imagesInd3/glbz700MonInd6.gif



PS - I am in no way serious before anyone starts the lecturing on the crapness of CFS charts at this range!


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Gooner
21 July 2013 08:47:58




...it looks like all areas will come under a more changeable pattern with a mix of sunshine and showers with temperatures descending to much nearer the average for late July and early August as Low pressure remain close to or over the north of the British Isles.


Originally Posted by: beng 


But, but, but .......  I thought it's going to be very cold with constant rain for weeks and weeks?!!!   Are you saying that some of the doom-mongers are exageratting?


Originally Posted by: Essan 


 


Well it's not just that summer is now completely over (well it is mid July), but unfortunately winter looks like it's all over bar the shouting - at least for those of us that like snow:


http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/people/wwang/cfsv2fcst/imagesInd3/glbz700MonInd6.gif



PS - I am in no way serious before anyone starts the lecturing on the crapness of CFS charts at this range!


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 



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Andy Woodcock
21 July 2013 09:07:03
To be honest we could do with some rain to water the gardens so I don't mind a breakdown this week.

I can't see a rampant jet establishing itself across the UK either as it would be highly unusual to have a hot dry July followed by a cold wet August.

I think the heat will be back just give it time.

Andy
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Gavin P
21 July 2013 09:17:13

To be honest we could do with some rain to water the gardens so I don't mind a breakdown this week.

I can't see a rampant jet establishing itself across the UK either as it would be highly unusual to have a hot dry July followed by a cold wet August.

I think the heat will be back just give it time.

Andy

Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 


It would be unusual by 20th century standards, but I've been looking back through the CET index and back in the 18th and 19th centuries (and theres some speculation that the solar cycles are taking us back to more of an 19th century type climate) it was more common to get freak hot months in otherwise cool summers.


Will be interesting to see what happens for August - Will be a VERY hard month to predict at this rate.


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nouska
21 July 2013 10:07:17


To be honest we could do with some rain to water the gardens so I don't mind a breakdown this week.

I can't see a rampant jet establishing itself across the UK either as it would be highly unusual to have a hot dry July followed by a cold wet August.

I think the heat will be back just give it time.

Andy

Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


It would be unusual by 20th century standards, but I've been looking back through the CET index and back in the 18th and 19th centuries (and theres some speculation that the solar cycles are taking us back to more of an 19th century type climate) it was more common to get freak hot months in otherwise cool summers.


Will be interesting to see what happens for August - Will be a VERY hard month to predict at this rate.


Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 


I think that is absolutely the case - no cycles will ever be an identical repetition - the analogues can sometimes be a useful guide but not when they go back before charts exist. We can only use historical records and there are plenty of examples of what you mention.


On the here and now, GFS has been very persistent in modelling and progressing a hurricane for E Coast US -  a reminder that all bets are off with regard to patterns being easily predicted for the next couple of months.

Hungry Tiger
21 July 2013 10:09:25



To be honest we could do with some rain to water the gardens so I don't mind a breakdown this week.

I can't see a rampant jet establishing itself across the UK either as it would be highly unusual to have a hot dry July followed by a cold wet August.

I think the heat will be back just give it time.

Andy

Originally Posted by: nouska 


It would be unusual by 20th century standards, but I've been looking back through the CET index and back in the 18th and 19th centuries (and theres some speculation that the solar cycles are taking us back to more of an 19th century type climate) it was more common to get freak hot months in otherwise cool summers.


Will be interesting to see what happens for August - Will be a VERY hard month to predict at this rate.


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


I think that is absolutely the case - no cycles will ever be an identical repetition - the analogues can sometimes be a useful guide but not when they go back before charts exist. We can only use historical records and there are plenty of examples of what you mention.


On the here and now, GFS has been very persistent in modelling and progressing a hurricane for E Coast US -  a reminder that all bets are off with regard to patterns being easily predicted for the next couple of months.


Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 


If the hurricanes remain well away from this side of the Atlantic - it usually means we get very nice weather here.


I think it was 1998 we had a very nice and warm Sepetmber as result of that.


 


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