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Charmhills
22 July 2013 08:38:32


The models are showing a huge plume building up through Europe on days 5 and 6, and a number of them are continuing to edge things further west with each new run.


Temps look to breach the mid-30's in central France next weekend. If we got some imports on a thundery low on Saturday... need I say more.


As potentially explosive as tomorrow is looking, it might not be the only time we go through it all in the next 7 days.


Temps look to remain in the mid-20's for a good part of the SE Wed-Fri before potentially climbing higher again on Saturday


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


A fascinating period of weather coming up thats for sure.


Loughborough, EM.

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IanK
22 July 2013 09:59:47
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/MIAMIMATS.shtml  LOOKING WAY AHEAD TO THE END OF THE WEEK...THE OPERATIONAL GFS CONTINUES TO ADVERTISE A STRONG TROPICAL SYSTEM MOVING ACROSS THE ATLC. WHILE CONSISTENT...THE GFS REMAINS A STARK OUTLIER WITH EVERY OTHER MODEL INCLUDING THE ENSEMBLE GFS AND THE USUALLY BULLISH CANADIAN. THIS SEEMS TO BE A CONVECTIVE FEEDBACK ISSUE...AND THE OFFICIAL FORECAST FOR THE END OF THE WEEK FAVORS THE ECMWF SHOWING AN OPEN WAVE WITH WINDS TO 25 KT. NWPS DOES NOT GO THAT FAR IN TIME...SO FORECAST SEAS ARE HEAVILY MODIFIED FROM THE WAY OVERDONE WW3 WITH MAXIMUM SEAS TO 9 FT IN THE AREA OF STRONG WINDS. My point was that model runs can be skewed by tropical systems that may or may not develop.


 


Thanks - was the 06z I looked at and could see no sign on that.


 


Meanwhile looking like a brief-ish warm up again this w/e

TimS
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22 July 2013 11:06:15

I've been looking for analogues in previous summers. Best fits I can find are:


1. Early July 1995 - after a long HP dominated spell with dry heat in late June, and a few days of dry Westerlies, there was a surge of hot and very humid, plumy air in early-mid July as high pressure broke down and migrated Northwards:


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/archive/ra/1995/Rrea00119950711.gif


Here's how it progressed:


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/archive/ra/1995/Rrea00119950714.gif (LP sits in place grazes the West of the UK)


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/archive/ra/1995/Rrea00119950716.gif (moves North across the UK and pressure starts building to the South)


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/archive/ra/1995/Rrea00119950719.gif (something quite similar to what we see in FI at various points)


Critically what then happened was that pressure started to drop in the large ocean area South of Greenland allowing proper ridging back over the UK. The models at the moment show pressure there holding pu strongly. Until it drops, we will continue to have depressions angling in towards us rather than sailing over the top.


2. Mid-August 2004 - following a week or so of hot weather with high pressure to our North East, we moved into a cut-off low scenario a little like that forecast, but with a stronger depression.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/archive/ra/2004/Rrea00120040810.gif


It progressed as follows:


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/archive/ra/2004/Rrea00120040812.gif (LP with nowhere to go to its North heads straight towards the South of the UK)


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/archive/ra/2004/Rrea00120040815.gif (high pressure tries to edge back in)


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/archive/ra/2004/Rrea00120040819.gif (cyclone says no thanks, I quite fancy it here in Britain).


In the middle of that spell we had the Boscastle floods (16th August), and the month as a whole was, I think, the wettest August on record or very close.


Let's hope the weather takes us on the 1995 trajectory.


Brockley, South East London 30m asl
Polar Low
22 July 2013 12:01:01

6z gfs another hot run for s/e


2 day god knows really baking at mo  already 32c in Chelmsford. Hotest its been so far.


6z gfs for s/e this week Tues 29 Wed 27 Thru25 Fri 25 Sat 27 Sun26 Mon 23

danm
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22 July 2013 12:06:38


Temps look to remain in the mid-20's for a good part of the SE Wed-Fri before potentially climbing higher again on Saturday


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


 


Beautiful. I will take that.


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Gooner
22 July 2013 12:22:48



 


Looks very nice to me. Perfect combination of warmth and thunder. 


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


Certainly not bad


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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Polar Low
22 July 2013 17:05:57

  gfs 12z warm air never really leaves s/e england


very warm coming back in for south and s/e later on


 


 


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=192&mode=0

Ally Pally Snowman
22 July 2013 17:29:26


  gfs 12z warm air never really leaves s/e england


very warm coming back in for south and s/e later on


 


 


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=192&mode=0


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


Yes a good run the best for a while with high pressure fighting its way back in. 30c next Sat, never really cools down with lots of 28c's all week.


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
cultman1
22 July 2013 17:59:34
I concur with Brian Gaze's observations on the forthcoming weather. I believe that at least for the South the warm/hot weather will continue into August despite potentially a few hiccups on the way temperature and rain wise....
Rob K
22 July 2013 18:06:26
What is going on with the models? Last I looked it was meant to be cool by Wednesday, now 30c in London on Saturday! And fierce heat into Europe with 39c in N Germany!
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Ally Pally Snowman
22 July 2013 18:07:20

Staying warm until the 29th. Then perhaps average but a few hot runs now showing up. Not that wet either.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png


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Steam Fog
22 July 2013 18:10:23

Staying warm until the 29th. Then perhaps average but a few hot runs now showing up. Not that wet either.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 



Yep, prospect of anything below average remains in FI for now, with warmer if more humid weather regaining the upper hand.
Ally Pally Snowman
22 July 2013 18:11:32

What is going on with the models? Last I looked it was meant to be cool by Wednesday, now 30c in London on Saturday! And fierce heat into Europe with 39c in N Germany!

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Indeed GFS maxes for the next 7 days


28c, 28c, 27c, 28c, 30c, 27c, 26c not bad for a cool down.


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Gooner
22 July 2013 18:11:47


  gfs 12z warm air never really leaves s/e england


very warm coming back in for south and s/e later on


 


 


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=192&mode=0


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn21617.png


Even out to the last day of July is a very warm one


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Polar Low
22 July 2013 18:15:51

and getting near yours and mine hoilday marcus


god why did i say that like that




  gfs 12z warm air never really leaves s/e england


very warm coming back in for south and s/e later on


 


 


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=192&mode=0


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn21617.png


Even out to the last day of July is a very warm one


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 

Ally Pally Snowman
22 July 2013 18:26:40

15c upper creeping back in to the SE temps touching 30c again.


 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1202.html


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Charmhills
22 July 2013 18:29:37


15c upper creeping back in to the SE temps touching 30c again.


 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1202.html


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Looking very bangy again to.


http://wwww.wetterzentrale.com/pics/Recm1442.gif



 


Loughborough, EM.

Knowledge is power, ignorance is weakness.

Duane.
Ally Pally Snowman
22 July 2013 18:36:10



15c upper creeping back in to the SE temps touching 30c again.


 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1202.html


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


Looking very bangy again to.


http://wwww.wetterzentrale.com/pics/Recm1442.gif


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


25c uppers in Germany . Wouldnt take much of a shift west for the UK to really tap into that plume.


 


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Polar Low
22 July 2013 18:39:27

big shift back west of warmer air from 0z run at t144


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=144&mode=0&map=1&archive=0


small split of energy helps


 


 

Ally Pally Snowman
22 July 2013 18:55:46

South holds on to the decent weather 25c ish with high pressure trying to nudge in. Unsettled further north though.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1921.html


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2161.html


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Ally Pally Snowman
22 July 2013 19:02:26

Very hot uppers creeping back in again. The Atlantic never really gets going will be interesting if this keep recurring. I would say on that run the South can expect another 10 days of 25c +.  With some thunder storms about almost perfect summer weather.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2402.html


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
GIBBY
22 July 2013 19:10:57

Good evening. Here is the report on the midday outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for tonight Monday July 22nd 2013.


All models show a breakdown in the hot spell over the coming 48 hours. There is a growing risk of thunderstorms across the UK in the coming 48hrs with probably more Northern and Eastern parts likely to see some severe and noteworthy storms later tomorrow. Cooler and fresher conditions will be making some inroads slowly in from the SW through the rest of the week with further thundery showers or rain at times but still with a fair amount of dry, bright and reasonably warm weather in between. There looks little to change this overall showery period over the weekend either with some bright and dry weather at times too.


GFS shows no large changes next week too with slack Low pressure over the North or to the West with further showery rain at times as well as further warm conditions at times in the SE. Things thereafter do turn more generally cooler and unsettled  as they have shown to be for umpteen runs now with rain and strong winds at times and average temperatures for all areas late in the run.


The GFS Ensembles tonight show a cool off under way over the coming days. The main cooling event does not show its hand much before the 29th with a showery week to that point before a more Westerly feed delivers fronts and occasional rain moving West to East across the UK.


The Jet Stream is soon to realign across the Atlantic troughing South to the West of the UK and returning North over the UK enhancing very warm air still on the continent. The unsettled and cooler weather will affect Western areas most with some fine and warm weather still to be found on the returning flow in the East.


UKMO still continues to show slack Low pressure over and to the West of the UK with a mix of drier intervals and heavy, thundery showers at times continuing over the UK through the weekend.


GEM tonight shows a showery spell too at the weekend with temperatures still well up to and a little above average. Through the following week winds turn more Westerly with cooler temperatures bringing rain fronts across the UK in average temperatures by then.


NAVGEM tonight shows a very showery spell too as Low pressure very slowly migrates from the SW approaches to Northern Britain to begin next week.


ECM shows a new surge of thundery Low pressure moving slowly North at the weekend with warm and humid weather with thundery rain, especially in the SE gradually being replaced on Sunday by cooler and more showery weather moving north over Southern Britain. Later in the run Low pressure retains the upper hand swinging up close to Western Britain and North to Scotland with some wind and rain for all. Warm weather is maintained close to the SE with temperatures above average at least and a thundery Low looks likely to affect these areas with more showers and thunderstorms at the end of the run.


In Summary the biggest shift in output over the past few days has been the slow shift West of the UK trough with the hot plume heading North over Europe with potentially record breaking heat over there around the weekend. For us the shift means that Eastern and SE Britain could tap into this air and find temperatures still in the very warm category with the potential for further thundery weather as cooler uppers buffer the heat over the East. Further North and West the weather though cooler than of late will never be cold with occasional rain and showers around here too.


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Polar Low
22 July 2013 19:16:12

Thanks Martin



Good evening. Here is the report on the midday outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for tonight Monday July 22nd 2013.


All models show a breakdown in the hot spell over the coming 48 hours. There is a growing risk of thunderstorms across the UK in the coming 48hrs with probably more Northern and Eastern parts likely to see some severe and noteworthy storms later tomorrow. Cooler and fresher conditions will be making some inroads slowly in from the SW through the rest of the week with further thundery showers or rain at times but still with a fair amount of dry, bright and reasonably warm weather in between. There looks little to change this overall showery period over the weekend either with some bright and dry weather at times too.


GFS shows no large changes next week too with slack Low pressure over the North or to the West with further showery rain at times as well as further warm conditions at times in the SE. Things thereafter do turn more generally cooler and unsettled  as they have shown to be for umpteen runs now with rain and strong winds at times and average temperatures for all areas late in the run.


The GFS Ensembles tonight show a cool off under way over the coming days. The main cooling event does not show its hand much before the 29th with a showery week to that point before a more Westerly feed delivers fronts and occasional rain moving West to East across the UK.


The Jet Stream is soon to realign across the Atlantic troughing South to the West of the UK and returning North over the UK enhancing very warm air still on the continent. The unsettled and cooler weather will affect Western areas most with some fine and warm weather still to be found on the returning flow in the East.


UKMO still continues to show slack Low pressure over and to the West of the UK with a mix of drier intervals and heavy, thundery showers at times continuing over the UK through the weekend.


GEM tonight shows a showery spell too at the weekend with temperatures still well up to and a little above average. Through the following week winds turn more Westerly with cooler temperatures bringing rain fronts across the UK in average temperatures by then.


NAVGEM tonight shows a very showery spell too as Low pressure very slowly migrates from the SW approaches to Northern Britain to begin next week.


ECM shows a new surge of thundery Low pressure moving slowly North at the weekend with warm and humid weather with thundery rain, especially in the SE gradually being replaced on Sunday by cooler and more showery weather moving north over Southern Britain. Later in the run Low pressure retains the upper hand swinging up close to Western Britain and North to Scotland with some wind and rain for all. Warm weather is maintained close to the SE with temperatures above average at least and a thundery Low looks likely to affect these areas with more showers and thunderstorms at the end of the run.


In Summary the biggest shift in output over the past few days has been the slow shift West of the UK trough with the hot plume heading North over Europe with potentially record breaking heat over there around the weekend. For us the shift means that Eastern and SE Britain could tap into this air and find temperatures still in the very warm category with the potential for further thundery weather as cooler uppers buffer the heat over the East. Further North and West the weather though cooler than of late will never be cold with occasional rain and showers around here too.


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 

Polar Low
22 July 2013 19:28:59

some of those gfs  members look very hot on Saturday for s/e and s England


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=5&ech=126&mode=1&carte=0

Hungry Tiger
22 July 2013 21:25:09



  gfs 12z warm air never really leaves s/e england


very warm coming back in for south and s/e later on


 


 


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=192&mode=0


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Yes a good run the best for a while with high pressure fighting its way back in. 30c next Sat, never really cools down with lots of 28c's all week.


 


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


That lot looks good.


 


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