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Matty H
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25 July 2013 18:07:29


Not sure what record is Alan but sure u would not need u heating on and Jiries would be happy at long last




very hot looking gm later on 20 uppers from south 16 uppers into scotland


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/geme_cartes.php?&ech=222&mode=1&carte=1


 


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


Good heavens imagine if we tapped into 25 uppers the record would go. Would be extraordinary if we got 40c for the first time since the Dinosaur age.


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


Originally Posted by: Medlock Vale Weather 


Is 40C possible here. Hard to say really.


 

Originally Posted by: Polar Low 



Of course its possible, we were a fraction away in 2003, but saying "if we tap into that heat", is all pie in the sky because we don't on any output.
Gooner
25 July 2013 18:09:57



Not sure what record is Alan but sure u would not need u heating on and Jiries would be happy at long last




very hot looking gm later on 20 uppers from south 16 uppers into scotland


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/geme_cartes.php?&ech=222&mode=1&carte=1


 


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


Good heavens imagine if we tapped into 25 uppers the record would go. Would be extraordinary if we got 40c for the first time since the Dinosaur age.


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


Originally Posted by: Medlock Vale Weather 


Is 40C possible here. Hard to say really.


 


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


Dream on, never happen


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Medlock Vale Weather
25 July 2013 18:12:15

Yep I'm sure if Moscow (which is far north as Newcastle) can get near to 40C like they did in 2010 then somewhere in south east England can in a similar extreme setup, it's just a case of when or even if. Can never rule anything out in this country very cold or very hot!


Alan in Medlock Valley - Oldham's frost hollow. 103 metres above sea level.
What is a frost hollow? http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/reports/wxfacts/Frost-hollow.htm 
Ally Pally Snowman
25 July 2013 18:16:52

Some plumes around and fairly dry after the 29th.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Hungry Tiger
25 July 2013 18:25:50

Well - we seem to be hanging onto the nice warm stuff.


http://www.jp2webdesign.co.uk/ds/gfs.htm


That low to the NW tries to be a nuisance towards the end.


 


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Rob K
25 July 2013 18:37:36

The crazy hot GEM run was the 00Z. It is now being replaced by the 12Z which still has >20C uppers on August 1! Although the orientation isn;t as good fro prolonged heat

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gem/runs/2013072512/gemnh-1-174.png?12


 


The GFS ensembles also show several members going for >15C uppers around the beginning of August, and this morning's ECM had a glancing blow too. All eyes on the 12Z ECM.


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
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Polar Low
25 July 2013 18:40:34

Apologies Rob was in a hurry when I saw it at first.



The crazy hot GEM run was the 00Z. It is now being replaced by the 12Z which still has >20C uppers on August 1! Although the orientation isn;t as good fro prolonged heat

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gem/runs/2013072512/gemnh-1-174.png?12


 


The GFS ensembles also show several members going for >15C uppers around the beginning of August, and this morning's ECM had a glancing blow too. All eyes on the 12Z ECM.


Originally Posted by: Rob K 

Matty H
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25 July 2013 19:04:41
12z ECM is shat
Rob K
25 July 2013 19:12:02

12z ECM is shat

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


That just about sums it up, but it still brings 19C uppers to the SE corner on August 1.


Even when the weather looks cack the upper air is still warmish, never below about 10C. Contrast that to two years ago when we had this sort of pish: http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/archive/ra/2011/Rrea00220110722.gif


Greens? In July? Do not want!


Edit: having said that it gets a bit chilly at 216!


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Nick Gilly
25 July 2013 19:23:39



very hot looking gm later on 20 uppers from south 16 uppers into scotland


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/geme_cartes.php?&ech=222&mode=1&carte=1


 


Originally Posted by: Medlock Vale Weather 


Good heavens imagine if we tapped into 25 uppers the record would go. Would be extraordinary if we got 40c for the first time since the Dinosaur age.


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


 


It looks like 40C (perhaps higher) has been reached before in July 1808, although this is an estimate:


http://www.personal.dundee.ac.uk/~taharley/british_weather_in_july.htm (see the bit at the bottom for 'July in history'


 


More here:


http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1256/wea.04.04/pdf


 


I'm sure it will happen at an official station sooner or later, maybe within the next 12 months, who knows?

GIBBY
25 July 2013 19:27:51

Good evening. Here is the report on the midday outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Thursday July 25th 2013.


All models show a slack Southerly flow over the UK in association with Low pressure West of the British Isles. A basic showery pattern is shown with most of the showers in the North. Then on Saturday a large area of thundery rain moves North out of France with thunderstorms, severe in places. The question is how far West into the UK this comes with some output just suggesting SE England and East Anglia affected while some other output brings it further West into Central Southern England and the Midlands as well as the Eastern part of the west Country and SE Wales. By Sunday the pattern simplifies as somewhat cooler and more showery conditions move in from the West behind it with some sunny spells in between, a pattern that then lasts well into next week with the heaviest showers in the North and West.


GFS tonight shows Low pressure winding up from the SW by late sunday with the early part of the week windy and unsettled with rain then showers moving NE over Britain. Then after several days of average temperatures and rain at times warm weather develops again in the SE with humidity on the rise and thundery showers returning to SE areas by or over the weekend. Longer term changeable weather returns to all with temperatures returning to the seasonal average in broadly Westerly winds.


The GFS Ensembles fluctuate a lot in the South over the coming week as warm uppers engage with cooler Atlantic air with varying degrees of success in week. Agreement then firms up on a spell of cooler more average temperatures with rain at times thereafter.


The Jet Stream continues to show a more Southerly aspect to it's flow over the coming few weeks. For the first week the flow turns NE over the UK and around the top of the hot plume over Europe before a more definitive West to East push develops across the Atlantic, Southern UK and Europe later in the run.


UKMO tonight keeps Low pressure close to NW Britain midweek with a sunshine and shower mix continuing across the UK with temperatures holding well up to average or slightly above.


GEM tonight shows a showery start to the week before Southern areas become warmer and more humid again for a time before a return to cooler and somewhat unsettled conditions late in the run especially affecting the North and West with some longer drier spells still in the SE.


NAVGEM maintains Low pressure to the West or NW of the UK throughout though it does migrate as far away as Iceland later in the run with any rainfall by then in the SE not very noteworthy with temperatures close to or a little above normal overall.


ECM tonight looks quite unsettled next week with rain at times as Low pressure moves over or close to the UK. With fresh winds blowing from the SW much of the week the weather will become cooler everywhere. The rain will come in bands interspersed by showers, heavy in places. The end of the run keeps things fairly unsettled and showery with slack Low pressure continuing to be centred close to or over the UK.


In Summary there is still a lot of support for the UK to lose a lot of the very warm conditions after the weekend with temperatures returning to average along with the typical Summer mix of sunshine and showers in mostly SW winds. However, warm air resists moving far away from the near Continent and could infiltrate SE England at times with the risk of some thundery rain too while most other areas stay unsettled and cooler with rain at times.


Martin G
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NICKJE
25 July 2013 20:53:05
Just to add,if there was any chance that 40c could be reached in the coming days,the met office/bbc would of mentioned the possibility in their forecasts especially regarding the relatively new heatwave level warnings.40c would be considered as serious and would be stated as necessary within the forecasts,just as they do when there is a chance of severe weather afew days ahead.
Gooner
25 July 2013 21:00:13

Just to add,if there was any chance that 40c could be reached in the coming days,the met office/bbc would of mentioned the possibility in their forecasts especially regarding the relatively new heatwave level warnings.40c would be considered as serious and would be stated as necessary within the forecasts,just as they do when there is a chance of severe weather afew days ahead.

Originally Posted by: NICKJE 


The chance has been missed IMO looks cooler for a while now


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Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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Matty H
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25 July 2013 21:04:11

Just to add,if there was any chance that 40c could be reached in the coming days,the met office/bbc would of mentioned the possibility in their forecasts especially regarding the relatively new heatwave level warnings.40c would be considered as serious and would be stated as necessary within the forecasts,just as they do when there is a chance of severe weather afew days ahead.

Originally Posted by: NICKJE 



I don't think anyone has actually said 40c is likely. There have been comments like "imagine if we tapped into that air", but by the same token imagine if we tapped into the air around the North Pole. Neither are going to happen, it's just throw away comments.

Roll on summer 👅
David M Porter
25 July 2013 21:05:10


Just to add,if there was any chance that 40c could be reached in the coming days,the met office/bbc would of mentioned the possibility in their forecasts especially regarding the relatively new heatwave level warnings.40c would be considered as serious and would be stated as necessary within the forecasts,just as they do when there is a chance of severe weather afew days ahead.

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


The chance has been missed IMO looks cooler for a while now


Originally Posted by: NICKJE 


I'll be glad to see some cooler weather to be honest, even if it is more unsettled at times than we've been used to recently. The dry heat of the last two weeks was lovely but it's humidity like we have just now that I have a problem with.


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Justin W
25 July 2013 21:12:35
There's as much chance of 40C being recorded in the UK this summer as there is of -40C being recorded next winter.
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Gooner
25 July 2013 21:14:05

There's as much chance of 40C being recorded in the UK this summer as there is of -40C being recorded next winter.

Originally Posted by: Justin W 


I agree , we have got as close to it as we are likey to


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Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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NICKJE
25 July 2013 21:15:52

Just to add,if there was any chance that 40c could be reached in the coming days,the met office/bbc would of mentioned the possibility in their forecasts especially regarding the relatively new heatwave level warnings.40c would be considered as serious and would be stated as necessary within the forecasts,just as they do when there is a chance of severe weather afew days ahead.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



I don't think anyone has actually said 40c is likely. There have been comments like "imagine if we tapped into that air", but by the same token imagine if we tapped into the air around the North Pole. Neither are going to happen, it's just throw away comments.

Roll on summer Tongue

Originally Posted by: NICKJE 


Cold level warning

Jiries
25 July 2013 21:29:11


Not sure what record is Alan but sure u would not need u heating on and Jiries would be happy at long last


 


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


Too right and with the continent already very hot the heat have to go somewhere and that UK and my gut feeling we will see over 20C uppers being recorded some point soon in August.

Steam Fog
25 July 2013 22:02:45

There's as much chance of 40C being recorded in the UK this summer as there is of -40C being recorded next winter.

Originally Posted by: Justin W 



Nah! Both are really (really!) unlikely, but there is a little more chance of +40C than -40C surely?
Medlock Vale Weather
25 July 2013 22:11:54

There's as much chance of 40C being recorded in the UK this summer as there is of -40C being recorded next winter.

Originally Posted by: Steam Fog 



Nah! Both are really (really!) unlikely, but there is a little more chance of +40C than -40C surely?

Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Definitley... parts of England have been only 1.5C away from 40C in 2003, but Scotland has still been 12C or so away from -40C, so yeah more likely to hit 40C than -40C. Doesn't mean it will definitely happen just the odds are more likely given the temperature range of both records.


Alan in Medlock Valley - Oldham's frost hollow. 103 metres above sea level.
What is a frost hollow? http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/reports/wxfacts/Frost-hollow.htm 
Gooner
25 July 2013 22:12:35

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn4817.png


GFS showing Saturday as being much warmer than the Beeb are suggesting


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn544.png


Thundery rain moving North


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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Gooner
25 July 2013 22:23:28

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1681.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1684.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn16817.png


Miserable start to August for some


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Jiries
25 July 2013 22:27:26


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn4817.png


GFS showing Saturday as being much warmer than the Beeb are suggesting


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn544.png


Thundery rain moving North


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Yes and Gavin 5 days forecast also going for very warm Saturday and the models had been showing this for a week now.   Still again and again I never seen thundery rain so more likely general rain, showers or thunderstorms on Sat night.

Jiries
25 July 2013 22:33:34


The temps look very dodgy as it normal 18z faulty sets because on 3 hours time scale was showing widespread pink colours.  Most likely that starting with low to mid 20's in early next week before rising to high 20's to 30C.

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