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Rob K
25 July 2013 23:27:27



The temps look very dodgy as it normal 18z faulty sets because on 3 hours time scale was showing widespread pink colours.  Most likely that starting with low to mid 20's in early next week before rising to high 20's to 30C.


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Very big temperature gradient there with 18C in far east Kent and 30C 50 miles across the Channel in Belgium. Looks a bit dodgy but I suppose temps would be a lot lower in the rain.


 


BTW look at NAE. heads up Channel Islanders  


http://expert-images.weatheronline.co.uk/daten/proficharts/en/nae/2013/07/25/basis18/ukuk/prec/13072718_2518.gif


 


PS Justin I think it is rubbish to say -40C is as likely as +40C. Do you really think a record is as likely to be broken by 12.8C as it is to be broken by 1.5C?  I would say 40C in the UK is vanishingly unlikely but within the realms of possibility, whereas -40C is flat out impossible because of the warm waters surrounding us. In fact in the 2003 heatwave I wouldn't be too surprised if you could have found a spot where a thermometer in a Stevenson screen would have recorded 40C.


There again I am sure there are places in the Highlands where a properly screened thermometer would record -30C on cold nights.The recording network is very sparse and the chances of the coldest or hottest spot coinciding with a thermometer are pretty slim!


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Islander
26 July 2013 04:31:37



The temps look very dodgy as it normal 18z faulty sets because on 3 hours time scale was showing widespread pink colours. Most likely that starting with low to mid 20's in early next week before rising to high 20's to 30C.

Originally Posted by: Jiries 


Very big temperature gradient there with 18C in far east Kent and 30C 50 miles across the Channel in Belgium. Looks a bit dodgy but I suppose temps would be a lot lower in the rain.

BTW look at NAE. heads up Channel IslandersUserPostedImageUserPostedImageUserPostedImage
http://expert-images.weatheronline.co.uk/daten/proficharts/en/nae/2013/07/25/basis18/ukuk/prec/13072718_2518.gif 

PS Justin I think it is rubbish to say -40C is as likely as +40C. Do you really think a record is as likely to be broken by 12.8C as it is to be broken by 1.5C? I would say 40C in the UK is vanishingly unlikely but within the realms of possibility, whereas -40C is flat out impossible because of the warm waters surrounding us. In fact in the 2003 heatwave I wouldn't be too surprised if you could have found a spot where a thermometer in a Stevenson screen would have recorded 40C.
There again I am sure there are places in the Highlands where a properly screened thermometer would record -30C on cold nights.The recording network is very sparse and the chances of the coldest or hottest spot coinciding with a thermometer are pretty slim!

Originally Posted by: Gooner 



Ooooo goody goody bring on a decent storm please!!! :-)

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Justin W
26 July 2013 04:58:30
I was using it in an exagerrated, analgous way to make a point without realising all the 100 per cent literal types on here would jump down my throat ;)

Perhaps I should have said as likely as -30C.
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Andy Woodcock
26 July 2013 05:41:41
Very little sign of what i would call poor summer weather this morning even in the north. Sunshine and showers sums it up with temperatures still above average. Its a million mile from the last few summers when deep lows were the default pattern. Even now while the heatwave has broke the Atlantic is not dominant and at this time of year that can only mean reasonable conditions at the surface. Yesterday we still managed 24c and just a trace of rain, could be a lot worse! Andy
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Gooner
26 July 2013 06:45:34

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn4217.png


warm on Saturday , with thundery rain to follow


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Sunday looks warm but showery


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26 July 2013 06:59:35
Have the models downgraded this Saturdays thunderstorms moving in From France? The reason I ask is thatcthe met office weather warnings for Saturday have vanished??? Or do the met office have tech issues???
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idj20
26 July 2013 07:16:33

Have the models downgraded this Saturdays thunderstorms moving in From France? The reason I ask is thatcthe met office weather warnings for Saturday have vanished??? Or do the met office have tech issues??? Cheers VSC.

Originally Posted by: VIRTUAL STORMCHASER 



I have been keeping an eye on this development but at the same time am aware that there will be much uncertainty about it all, especially since the models are at odds over it (NAE being very keen but GFS and even NAVGEM less so as well as shunting everything further to the east). Mind you, last night the modelled rain had completely missed Kent where most of it stayed over the French side, it's just another one of those things when it comes to forecasting.
  Regarding Saturday's event, I reckon we won't know for sure what's going to happen until right at the point of watching it unfold on the radars as well as looking out of the window - not terribly useful or helpful but that's how it is with what is quite a complex set up. A bit like waiting for a snow event in February.


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Stormchaser
26 July 2013 07:42:11

http://expert-images.weatheronline.co.uk/daten/proficharts/en/nae/2013/07/26/basis00/ukuk/prec/13072721_2600.gif


!


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1682.gif


!


 


That's a potentially severe event on Saturday going by NAE's 00z run followed by a potentially extreme event next Thursday/Friday going by ECM's 00z op run.


So... plenty to keep severe weather enthusiasts buzzing! Should add that for Saturday, NAE is just one take on things, and while in close agreement with GFS, it differs markedly from WRF, which takes the initial energy NE to just clip the far SE before a direct hit early on Saturday night:


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/nmm-1-36-0.png?26-07


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/nmm-1-45-0.png?26-07


Given how hopeless the models and forecasts were with last Tuesday's event, there's still room for things to be very different to the current Met Office forecasts.




As for next Thursday/Friday... ECM is lacking in support from the other models but has been consistent with it's previous run. UKMO does leave energy to the SW like ECM but doesn't develop it anywhere near as much and doesn't look to be pulling the 20°C uppers quite so close to us based on the 500mb heights shown.
GFS still ploughs most of the energy NE while GEM has a lot of energy going both NE and staying to our SW, with interesting results i.e. two notable ridges of high pressure accompanied by plumes of hot air and followed by thundery breakdowns.




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GIBBY
26 July 2013 07:44:36

Good morning. Here is my interpretation of how and what to expect weather wise from the midnight outputs of GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Friday July 26th 2013.


All models show low pressure to the West of the UK with a light Southerly or SE drift over the UK. Many Southern areas will see dry and fine weather over the coming 24 hours while the North sees further heavy and sometimes thundery showers. Through tomorrow an area of Low pressure will move North from France over England with spells of thundery rain moving North too with thunderstorms embedded in places particularly in the SE. As the South moves on the Southern flank of this Low later in the weekend cooler and fresher air will move across from the West with brighter and breezier conditions with scattered showers. Through Monday and Tuesday the weather is shown to become cooler and fresher for all as winds settle SW with showers at times and the occasional longer spells of rain too here and there.


GFS then shows further unsettled weather through the remainder of the week, especially in the North and West while Southern and Eastern parts may become rather warmer and drier again for a time before a cold front brings thundery rain across from the West at the weekend and a return to fresher air once more. Later in the run the trend towards warmer weather is shown again as a High pressure ridge over the North develops drier weather there while areas in the South see thundery Low pressure from the Continent bring outbreaks of thundery rain, clearing later as warm High pressure rebuilds from the SW at the end of the run with attendant fine and warm conditions by then for all away from the far NW.


The Ensemble data from GFS shows a variable pattern of temperatures in the South for another week often bordering warm before the South joins the North in a basic Westerly regime with average temperatures and rain at times.


The Jet Stream shows the flow blowing NE across the South of the UK from Biscay for some time to become before the trend evolves to send it on a West to East course across Southern Britain in Week 2 of the output.


UKMO today has a showery SW flow midweek before it opens isobars out to give a slack period of weather with light winds and thundery showers in the North while Southern parts see a lot of dry weather. The SE close to the still hot conditions over Europe would remain under risk of pulses of thundery rain moving NE close to the coast on occasion.


GEM today shows very warm air extending North midweek at the same time as Low pressure moves into it from the West. The potential for heavy, thundery rain is there for many with very warm and humid weather extending on through the weekend with the risk of thunder sustained as further Low pressure edges into the hot air over the UK from the SW over the weekend.


NAVGEM is less dramatic with a generally NW/SE split developing next week with most of any rain in the North and west while the South and east see lengthy periods of dry, bright and quite warm weather with just brief flirtations with rain as an occasional front edges over from the West later.


ECM this morning shows a warm up across the UK midweek with Low pressure to the West edging in giving rise to the potential for further thundery rain or storms late next week before cooler, breezier and fresher air follows behind the depression later. The end of the run shows a cooler NW flow in the wake of the Low bring a day or two of cooler, showery weather before the end of the run raises optimism on a return to warm High pressure in the period immediately following the end of the run.


In Summary details are very different between the models this morning once we get through the mostly agreed pattern of events over the coming 5 days or so. So after the warmth and potential thundery weather of the weekend has passed a cooler phase looks likely with showers. Beyond that the output is varied with some output quickly bringing warm weather back across Britain with further thundery incursions at times while other show a more Atlantic dominance with rain at times in cooler westerly winds. Personally I feel that warm weather is never going to be far away from many Southern areas over the coming weeks given that the Continent remains very warm for a long while to come. It's all a matter of how the cooler Atlantic air always present on this morning's runs interacts with any warmer weather fed up from Europe. The result of such an interaction could result in copious thundery rainfall on occasion most likely towards the SE. Of course less interaction will mean the majority of rain stays in the North and West with the most pleasant conditions towards the SE. Forecasting these small differences in synoptics could be very difficult over the coming 10-14 days and only possible at short range but could have major implications on events at the surface. 


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Jiries
26 July 2013 08:38:06

Very nice and warm to hot at times on 00z with tomorrow being very warm at high 20's then low to mid 20's in first half of next week before rising to high 20's or low 30's as the uppers of 15C clipped the SE.  I rather have a nationwide heatwave than SE based heatwave whcih is so limited and too short.

Jiries
26 July 2013 09:01:09

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1682.gif


20C uppers almost reaching to the SE.  That would give low to mid 30's next Friday.

Sevendust
26 July 2013 09:10:04

The general pattern appears to be one of bringing the trough closer from the west before potentially killing it in FI as the Azores HP ridges back. That theme would see reasonable temperatures, especially in the south with unsettled conditions and some welcome rain at times before a return to summer in the second week of August. All speculation at that range but a definite theme.Meanwhile I have tomorrows rain to concentrate on

Charmhills
26 July 2013 09:18:30

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http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm1441.gif


 


Another convective burst of heat/humidity and storms potentially.


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Hungry Tiger
26 July 2013 09:26:34


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20C uppers almost reaching to the SE.  That would give low to mid 30's next Friday.


Originally Posted by: Jiries 



 


Amazing that is - It would not take much of a shift to bring 25C plus uppers over the SE and deliver a 38C plus. It is so close.


The only thing precluding it is the position of the low to the west of us.


 


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Rob K
26 July 2013 10:00:11


 


So... plenty to keep severe weather enthusiasts buzzing! Should add that for Saturday, NAE is just one take on things, and while in close agreement with GFS, it differs markedly from WRF, which takes the initial energy NE to just clip the far SE before a direct hit early on Saturday night:


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/nmm-1-36-0.png?26-07


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/nmm-1-45-0.png?26-07


Given how hopeless the models and forecasts were with last Tuesday's event, there's still room for things to be very different to the current Met Office forecasts.




 


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


Wow that is some serious rainfall! >40mm per hour.


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26 July 2013 10:05:52



 


So... plenty to keep severe weather enthusiasts buzzing! Should add that for Saturday, NAE is just one take on things, and while in close agreement with GFS, it differs markedly from WRF, which takes the initial energy NE to just clip the far SE before a direct hit early on Saturday night:


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/nmm-1-36-0.png?26-07


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/nmm-1-45-0.png?26-07


Given how hopeless the models and forecasts were with last Tuesday's event, there's still room for things to be very different to the current Met Office forecasts.




 


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Wow that is some serious rainfall! >40mm per hour.


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


I prefer this chart - http://images.meteociel.fr/im/8022/nmm-1-47-0_lqa8.png

Might need my coat Saturday night!

Jiries
26 July 2013 10:58:53



http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1682.gif


20C uppers almost reaching to the SE.  That would give low to mid 30's next Friday.


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 



 


Amazing that is - It would not take much of a shift to bring 25C plus uppers over the SE and deliver a 38C plus. It is so close.


The only thing precluding it is the position of the low to the west of us.


 


Originally Posted by: Jiries 


The Low to the west of us eventually will die just like the recent strong HP that took resident here for over 2 weeks passed away so once that happen we would tap in to 20-25C uppers some point in early August.  It my hutch as the 33.5C offical max is not done by yet.

Polar Low
26 July 2013 11:10:47

Thanks Martin



Good morning. Here is my interpretation of how and what to expect weather wise from the midnight outputs of GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Friday July 26th 2013.


All models show low pressure to the West of the UK with a light Southerly or SE drift over the UK. Many Southern areas will see dry and fine weather over the coming 24 hours while the North sees further heavy and sometimes thundery showers. Through tomorrow an area of Low pressure will move North from France over England with spells of thundery rain moving North too with thunderstorms embedded in places particularly in the SE. As the South moves on the Southern flank of this Low later in the weekend cooler and fresher air will move across from the West with brighter and breezier conditions with scattered showers. Through Monday and Tuesday the weather is shown to become cooler and fresher for all as winds settle SW with showers at times and the occasional longer spells of rain too here and there.


GFS then shows further unsettled weather through the remainder of the week, especially in the North and West while Southern and Eastern parts may become rather warmer and drier again for a time before a cold front brings thundery rain across from the West at the weekend and a return to fresher air once more. Later in the run the trend towards warmer weather is shown again as a High pressure ridge over the North develops drier weather there while areas in the South see thundery Low pressure from the Continent bring outbreaks of thundery rain, clearing later as warm High pressure rebuilds from the SW at the end of the run with attendant fine and warm conditions by then for all away from the far NW.


The Ensemble data from GFS shows a variable pattern of temperatures in the South for another week often bordering warm before the South joins the North in a basic Westerly regime with average temperatures and rain at times.


The Jet Stream shows the flow blowing NE across the South of the UK from Biscay for some time to become before the trend evolves to send it on a West to East course across Southern Britain in Week 2 of the output.


UKMO today has a showery SW flow midweek before it opens isobars out to give a slack period of weather with light winds and thundery showers in the North while Southern parts see a lot of dry weather. The SE close to the still hot conditions over Europe would remain under risk of pulses of thundery rain moving NE close to the coast on occasion.


GEM today shows very warm air extending North midweek at the same time as Low pressure moves into it from the West. The potential for heavy, thundery rain is there for many with very warm and humid weather extending on through the weekend with the risk of thunder sustained as further Low pressure edges into the hot air over the UK from the SW over the weekend.


NAVGEM is less dramatic with a generally NW/SE split developing next week with most of any rain in the North and west while the South and east see lengthy periods of dry, bright and quite warm weather with just brief flirtations with rain as an occasional front edges over from the West later.


ECM this morning shows a warm up across the UK midweek with Low pressure to the West edging in giving rise to the potential for further thundery rain or storms late next week before cooler, breezier and fresher air follows behind the depression later. The end of the run shows a cooler NW flow in the wake of the Low bring a day or two of cooler, showery weather before the end of the run raises optimism on a return to warm High pressure in the period immediately following the end of the run.


In Summary details are very different between the models this morning once we get through the mostly agreed pattern of events over the coming 5 days or so. So after the warmth and potential thundery weather of the weekend has passed a cooler phase looks likely with showers. Beyond that the output is varied with some output quickly bringing warm weather back across Britain with further thundery incursions at times while other show a more Atlantic dominance with rain at times in cooler westerly winds. Personally I feel that warm weather is never going to be far away from many Southern areas over the coming weeks given that the Continent remains very warm for a long while to come. It's all a matter of how the cooler Atlantic air always present on this morning's runs interacts with any warmer weather fed up from Europe. The result of such an interaction could result in copious thundery rainfall on occasion most likely towards the SE. Of course less interaction will mean the majority of rain stays in the North and West with the most pleasant conditions towards the SE. Forecasting these small differences in synoptics could be very difficult over the coming 10-14 days and only possible at short range but could have major implications on events at the surface. 


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 

Matty H
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26 July 2013 11:12:30


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1682.gif 
20C uppers almost reaching to the SE. That would give low to mid 30's next Friday.

Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


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Amazing that is - It would not take much of a shift to bring 25C plus uppers over the SE and deliver a 38C plus. It is so close.
The only thing precluding it is the position of the low to the west of us.

Originally Posted by: Jiries 



Cue another three pages of posts about high temperatures.

For all we know it would take a massive change for that to happen, Gavin. I see bitter temps over the polar region. It wouldn't take much to bring those down either, in theory 🙄
Polar Low
26 July 2013 11:12:42

Shot it with a shotgun Jiries u r a star u never give up .





http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1682.gif


20C uppers almost reaching to the SE.  That would give low to mid 30's next Friday.


Originally Posted by: Jiries 



 


Amazing that is - It would not take much of a shift to bring 25C plus uppers over the SE and deliver a 38C plus. It is so close.


The only thing precluding it is the position of the low to the west of us.


 


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


The Low to the west of us eventually will die just like the recent strong HP that took resident here for over 2 weeks passed away so once that happen we would tap in to 20-25C uppers some point in early August.  It my hutch as the 33.5C offical max is not done by yet.


Originally Posted by: Jiries 

RobN
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26 July 2013 11:23:23




http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1682.gif


20C uppers almost reaching to the SE.  That would give low to mid 30's next Friday.


Originally Posted by: Jiries 



 


Amazing that is - It would not take much of a shift to bring 25C plus uppers over the SE and deliver a 38C plus. It is so close.


The only thing precluding it is the position of the low to the west of us.


 


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


The Low to the west of us eventually will die just like the recent strong HP that took resident here for over 2 weeks passed away so once that happen we would tap in to 20-25C uppers some point in early August.  It my hutch as the 33.5C offical max is not done by yet.


Originally Posted by: Jiries 


Jiries, you've swapped your shed for a hutch? Better ventilated and more likely to give sensible readings I suppose


Rob
In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.
picturesareme
26 July 2013 11:24:14



[font=comic sans ms,sans-serif; font-size: small]So... plenty to keep severe weather enthusiasts buzzing! Should add that for Saturday, NAE is just one take on things, and while in close agreement with GFS, it differs markedly from WRF, which takes the initial energy NE to just clip the far SE before a direct hit early on Saturday night:[/font]
http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/nmm-1-36-0.png?26-07 
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[font=comic sans ms,sans-serif; font-size: small]Given how hopeless the models and forecasts were with last Tuesday's event, there's still room for things to be very different to the current Met Office forecasts.[/font]
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Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Wow that is some serious rainfall! >40mm per hour.

Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 



Does this mean my 2mm is under threat. 😮
Jiries
26 July 2013 11:31:30

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rmgfs364.gif


27C tomorrow which is 5-6C higher than the BBC that going for 21C because they are too excited about the rain and forgot the warmth still around.  If coming from France how they managed to keep the temps in the 30's nationwide under the rain that going to reach here tomorrow night after it rain in France during the day.

Polar Low
26 July 2013 11:34:39

Latest fax chart


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ukmo2.php?ech=48&carte=2000


 note the 564





 


So... plenty to keep severe weather enthusiasts buzzing! Should add that for Saturday, NAE is just one take on things, and while in close agreement with GFS, it differs markedly from WRF, which takes the initial energy NE to just clip the far SE before a direct hit early on Saturday night:


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/nmm-1-36-0.png?26-07


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/nmm-1-45-0.png?26-07


Given how hopeless the models and forecasts were with last Tuesday's event, there's still room for things to be very different to the current Met Office forecasts.




 


Originally Posted by: ManUtdMatt1986 


Wow that is some serious rainfall! >40mm per hour.


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


I prefer this chart - http://images.meteociel.fr/im/8022/nmm-1-47-0_lqa8.png

Might need my coat Saturday night!


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 

Polar Low
26 July 2013 11:37:47






http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1682.gif


20C uppers almost reaching to the SE.  That would give low to mid 30's next Friday.


Originally Posted by: RobN 



 


Amazing that is - It would not take much of a shift to bring 25C plus uppers over the SE and deliver a 38C plus. It is so close.


The only thing precluding it is the position of the low to the west of us.


 


Originally Posted by: Jiries 


The Low to the west of us eventually will die just like the recent strong HP that took resident here for over 2 weeks passed away so once that happen we would tap in to 20-25C uppers some point in early August.  It my hutch as the 33.5C offical max is not done by yet.


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


Jiries, you've swapped your shed for a hutch? Better ventilated and more likely to give sensible readings I suppose


Originally Posted by: Jiries 

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