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bledur
30 July 2013 08:22:31

looks to be getting cooler in the short term after friday according to the canadians


 


http://www.weatherweb.net/tvweather/birminghamtempgem.gif

White Meadows
30 July 2013 08:26:46

Is something wrong with this mornings ECM on Wetter?

It's so different to other models next week with greens everywhere it must be a glitch unless they have put up charts from early August last year!

I hope they don't verify or the central heating will be back on.....

Andy

Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 


Yes there surely must be something wrong with this morning's ECM. Looks like something out of June 2012!!


Output on the run seems to have been stuck on 168 hours since 8.30 this morning 

bledur
30 July 2013 08:28:34

There we are - bledur's post well and truly balanced 


 


i have to try and balance all these fantasy heat charts people are postingLOL

GIBBY
30 July 2013 08:30:50

Good morning. A little late but here is the report on the midnight outputs of the big 5 models for today Tuesday July 30th 2013.


All models show a weak SW flow across the UK with a ripple on a frontal boundary crossing East over Southern britain today while the North sees another showery day. Later tonight the main front attached to the wave over Southern England is shown to move North carrying some rain and more importantly carrying some warm and humid conditions North across England and Wales which lasts through Thursday and possibly Friday too in the SE. This will be accompanied by dry, very warm or even hot conditions for a time with good sunny spells especially on Thursday. Over Friday and the weekend cooler air will be working it's way back East over the UK behind a weakening cold front which could have enough energy to spark some thundery showers for a time in the East and be followed by a mix of sunshine and scattered showers on a SW flow over the weekend. Throughout the week most of Scotland and Northern Ireland miss out on the warmer phase and maintain rather cloudy and cooler conditions with occasional rain.


GFS then shows a dry start for many early enxtw eek under weak High pressure before Low pressure filters back into the UK from the West with showers or rain at times. the SE could again become very warm for a time before cooler and more showery conditions work there way across from the West later next week. Thereafter the operational shows a cooler and more showery end to the run in light winds, average temperatures but with some warm sunny intervals between the showers.


The GFS Ensembles show growing support for two separate warm ups in the South, one later this week and the other around this time next week when temperatures in the SE reach the very warm category. Further north and West the rise is less pronounced or non-exsistent in the far North and here the whole period is marked by occasional rainfall. Further South and East rainfall is also shown mostly in association from showers on each period when the very warm conditions are ended by some heavy shower potential.


The Jet Stream is shown to spend a lot of the output time flowing across the UK from the SW on its way towards Scandinavia.


UKMO today shows a weak High pressure over Northern Germany and another in the Atlantic separated by a trough lying North South just to the west of the UK. the slack South or SW flow would likely give rise to occasional heavy and thundery showers to begin next week in reasonably warm and somewhat humid conditions.


GEM is largely quite similar to UKMO at 144hrs and moves on to maintain a basic and showery slack airflow pattern over the UK with light winds and temperatures near to or a little above normal in any sunshine. If anything the model firms up on more meaning ful unsettled conditions at the end of the run, especially in the South.


NAVGEM shows pressure building across the UK early next week, especially over the North with fine and bright conditions developing here. Further South Low pressure develops over the near Continent and would promote a more showery pattern for Southern Britain in above average temperatures.


ECM today looks largely similar to UKMO as well at 144hrs with a slack pressure gradient over the UK. Not much changes out to the end of the run with no particular pressure feature having overall control. So as usual in these situations a mix of sunshine and scattered showers is the most likely outcome with the chance of a few of these being heavy and thundery as well as slow moving while many other places stay dry with spells of warm sunshine but on balance from this run the South may be more prone to the showers.


In Summary there is still a lot of detail to be pinned down on the events next week and beyond. UKMO, GEM and ECM do offer some consistency at Day 6 with a High to the East and West separated by a trough close to the West of the UK with scattered showers in rather warm conditions likely. Thereafter the longer term outputs support a fairly similar pattern all the way out to their termination in maintaining rather slack conditions over the UK synoptically with sunshine and showers continuing but plenty of dry and warm weather too though it is important to stress that a return to the searing heat of July on a national scale looks unlikely at the moment.


Martin G
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Justin W
30 July 2013 08:41:30

At the risk of sounding like a 'heat whinger', today's ECM shows the first signs of a blessed end to plume and bust (© Justin W 2013 ;) 


240h is a peach!


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=240&mode=0&map=0&archive=0


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Matty H
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30 July 2013 08:51:36

There we are - bledur's post well and truly balanced 


 


i have to try and balance all these fantasy heat charts people are postingLOL

Originally Posted by: bledur 



Fantasy heat charts? It's pretty much nailed on there's going to be brief hot plume, what are you on about? 😕

Your post yesterday was completely misleading and incorrect. I only left it because James corrected it.

Anyway, back on topic, that low pressure to the SW of Ireland is really starting to **** me off. It's like someone has bolted it there.
Scandy 1050 MB
30 July 2013 08:55:39


At the risk of sounding like a 'heat whinger', today's ECM shows the first signs of a blessed end to plume and bust (© Justin W 2013 ;) 


240h is a peach!


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=240&mode=0&map=0&archive=0


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Agreed, ECM this morning a bit of a backtrack from yesterday's heat fest however it's one run so I'd like to see this trend repeated before I'll buy it. Even GFS a bit more modified than yesterday though still showing heat close to the SE, one to watch but as per Gavin P's excellent video last week, both JMA and the Beijing model have a trough developing near us over August so perhaps it's picking up on that. More runs needed!

Rob K
30 July 2013 10:19:56

Is something wrong with this mornings ECM on Wetter?

It's so different to other models next week with greens everywhere it must be a glitch unless they have put up charts from early August last year!

I hope they don't verify or the central heating will be back on.....

Andy

Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 


Greens on the 500mb charts maybe but the 850mb temperatures are still pretty high! http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1682.gif


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
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30 July 2013 10:27:10

Another hot plume early next week after a brief cool down over the weekend according to the GFS 6z

nouska
30 July 2013 10:27:50
something wrong somewhere - same time on Meteociel.

http://images.meteociel.fr/im/10808/ECM0-168_qra5.GIF 
Rob K
30 July 2013 10:32:22

something wrong somewhere - same time on Meteociel.

http://images.meteociel.fr/im/10808/ECM0-168_qra5.GIF

Originally Posted by: nouska 


That looks more plausible than the WZ temperatures I have to say!


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
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Ally Pally Snowman
30 July 2013 10:40:15


Is something wrong with this mornings ECM on Wetter?

It's so different to other models next week with greens everywhere it must be a glitch unless they have put up charts from early August last year!

I hope they don't verify or the central heating will be back on.....

Andy

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Greens on the 500mb charts maybe but the 850mb temperatures are still pretty high! http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1682.gif


Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 


That looks 5c too warm.


The ECM Mean looks OK though with pleasant warm conditions for the South less so for the NW.


 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem1682.html


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2162.html


 


 


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
GIBBY
30 July 2013 10:47:41

The ECM operational on Wetter was incorrect this morning so discount it. On Meteoceil it was fine.


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Ally Pally Snowman
30 July 2013 10:50:01

GFS 6z max temps 23c, 30c, 29, 25c, 26c, 28c, 32, 28c, Not a bad run there.


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Chiltern Blizzard
30 July 2013 11:26:25


Is something wrong with this mornings ECM on Wetter?

It's so different to other models next week with greens everywhere it must be a glitch unless they have put up charts from early August last year!

I hope they don't verify or the central heating will be back on.....

Andy

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Greens on the 500mb charts maybe but the 850mb temperatures are still pretty high! http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1682.gif


Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 


Is this right?  The 850mb temperatures on here seem extraordinary - the northerly extent of the 20c isotherm seems more akin to what we might have experiened in the Jurassic!


Andrew


Rendlesham, Suffolk 20m asl
Rob K
30 July 2013 11:29:48



Is something wrong with this mornings ECM on Wetter?

It's so different to other models next week with greens everywhere it must be a glitch unless they have put up charts from early August last year!

I hope they don't verify or the central heating will be back on.....

Andy

Originally Posted by: Chiltern Blizzard 


Greens on the 500mb charts maybe but the 850mb temperatures are still pretty high! http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1682.gif


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Is this right?  The 850mb temperatures on here seem extraordinary - the northerly extent of the 20c isotherm seems more akin to what we might have experiened in the Jurassic!


Andrew


Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 


Yes it looks like at least 5C has been added to the temps. I think it's OK up to 120 hours and then turns the sun up to 11! 


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
bledur
30 July 2013 12:09:00

http://www.weatherweb.net/tvweather/londontempens.gif


gfs ensemble for london showing a slow cool down after thursday-friday apart from a brief plume around the 7th 


Your post yesterday was completely misleading and incorrect.  i dont understand that. they were valid ensemble charts and show the same today .  i dont think you should be theatening to delete posts because YOU dont like them. get a grip.Mellow

nouska
30 July 2013 12:49:13

Probably more a matter of phraseology. It would be more precise to say that a return to seasonal normals was forecast after the plume events.


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NickR
30 July 2013 12:54:12


http://www.weatherweb.net/tvweather/londontempens.gif


gfs ensemble for london showing a slow cool down after thursday-friday apart from a brief plume around the 7th 


Your post yesterday was completely misleading and incorrect.  i dont understand that. they were valid ensemble charts and show the same today .  i dont think you should be theatening to delete posts because YOU dont like them. get a grip.Mellow


Originally Posted by: bledur 


Are you talking to Stormchaser? His post was well argued and polite, makign clear he was offering a counter to, not a total dismissal of, your post. I cannot see where he threatened to delete posts, much less because he "didn't like them". Or are you referring to someone else? It's not clear from your post.


Indeed, the most impolite thing I can see over the last 2 days is your call to "get a grip".


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Hendon Snowman
30 July 2013 13:18:19


http://www.weatherweb.net/tvweather/londontempens.gif


gfs ensemble for london showing a slow cool down after thursday-friday apart from a brief plume around the 7th 


Your post yesterday was completely misleading and incorrect.  i dont understand that. they were valid ensemble charts and show the same today .  i dont think you should be theatening to delete posts because YOU dont like them. get a grip.Mellow


Originally Posted by: bledur 


 


Hi Bledur,


 


Please see below, could you explain how this adds up with what you have shown,  I can see the ups and down on your one, but on this one the upward trend on the 5th to the 9th of August is as similair to the 1st to the 4th.  On yours it is a good few centigrade less???


 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png

bledur
30 July 2013 13:23:40

Please see below, could you explain how this adds up with what you have shown,  I can see the ups and down on your one, but on this one the upward trend on the 5th to the 9th of August is as similair to the 1st to the 4th.  On yours it is a good few centigrade less???


i dont know . are the ones i showed adjusted charts rather than raw data? no maybe the one i am showing is the ensemble and yours operational, like so http://www.weatherweb.net/tvweather/londontemp.gif. that is different to the ensemble .

speckledjim
30 July 2013 13:42:21



http://www.weatherweb.net/tvweather/londontempens.gif


gfs ensemble for london showing a slow cool down after thursday-friday apart from a brief plume around the 7th 


Your post yesterday was completely misleading and incorrect.  i dont understand that. they were valid ensemble charts and show the same today .  i dont think you should be theatening to delete posts because YOU dont like them. get a grip.Mellow


Originally Posted by: NickR 


Are you talking to Stormchaser? His post was well argued and polite, makign clear he was offering a counter to, not a total dismissal of, your post. I cannot see where he threatened to delete posts, much less because he "didn't like them". Or are you referring to someone else? It's not clear from your post.


Indeed, the most impolite thing I can see over the last 2 days is your call to "get a grip".


Again, any comments on moderation to be sent to the moderator in question. No more warnings on this.


Originally Posted by: bledur 


Go back a page, i think you will find he was referring to Matty H thretening to delete the post


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NickR
30 July 2013 13:49:30




http://www.weatherweb.net/tvweather/londontempens.gif


gfs ensemble for london showing a slow cool down after thursday-friday apart from a brief plume around the 7th 


Your post yesterday was completely misleading and incorrect.  i dont understand that. they were valid ensemble charts and show the same today .  i dont think you should be theatening to delete posts because YOU dont like them. get a grip.Mellow


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


Are you talking to Stormchaser? His post was well argued and polite, makign clear he was offering a counter to, not a total dismissal of, your post. I cannot see where he threatened to delete posts, much less because he "didn't like them". Or are you referring to someone else? It's not clear from your post.


Indeed, the most impolite thing I can see over the last 2 days is your call to "get a grip".


Again, any comments on moderation to be sent to the moderator in question. No more warnings on this.


Originally Posted by: NickR 


Go back a page, i think you will find he was referring to Matty H thretening to delete the post


Originally Posted by: bledur 


It would help if he quoted the post he was referring to rather than incorporate the words into his post as if they were his own.


I still don't see a "threat to delete", but that he considered deleting. Not the same thing. The former is a misrepresentation and turns things overly emotive. Not for the first time...


No more on this now. Any queries, contact us mods.


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NickR
30 July 2013 13:53:43


Please see below, could you explain how this adds up with what you have shown,  I can see the ups and down on your one, but on this one the upward trend on the 5th to the 9th of August is as similair to the 1st to the 4th.  On yours it is a good few centigrade less???


i dont know . are the ones i showed adjusted charts rather than raw data? no maybe the one i am showing is the ensemble and yours operational, like so http://www.weatherweb.net/tvweather/londontemp.gif. that is different to the ensemble .


Originally Posted by: bledur 


One is temps at 850, with all the model's runs.


Bledur's is the ground temperature following just one run (operational? or the average maybe of the ens?).


The 850s. which incorporate more runs and data are better to follow. Calculation of ground temps (based on the average?) is going to be far more prone to correction and fails to give as good an idea of probabilities of outcome, and, in general, can be misleading.


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NickR
30 July 2013 13:57:12
http://weatherfaqs.org.uk/node/142 


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