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11 September 2013 08:43:52

Not that it holds much water this far out but, the CFS has higher than average pressure around Greenland from Ocotber right through to April. Droughts for them if that came off I would think!

RavenCraven
11 September 2013 09:39:39

Im just sat here on the beach in corfu, 31c and crystal clear skies, For the last week I have been keeping a watch over the ECM only and has gradually showing more and more positive signals for heights to build north in the atlantic towards southern greenland, This happened around 10 days ago for last weekend but eventually the wave was quite low amplitude, something more inline with summer, however this second attempt may result in more amplification this time - and could even see the first north/ north west flow of the year ushering in the 0c isotherm. Maybe just maybe in the most amplified solution even the -2 line- Either way something autumnal on the cards as the polar heights seem to be building in september once again S

Originally Posted by: Steve Murr 

You have been predicting that for almost a month now and its not really begun to happen until early next week. Enjoy your holiday.

Originally Posted by: RavenCraven 

I think you must have me mistaken for someone else? I've only posted a couple times in the last 3 weeks, Was it you who posted that this winter will be mild due to a displaced azores high in September I'm sure I could quote it somewhere.... Anyway the cold wave gathers pace tonight with the 0c isotherm hitting the whole of the uk and the -2 line heading into Scotland- still an outside chance of the -4 line hitting Scotland.... S

Originally Posted by: Steve Murr 


No definitely you Steve  ...and yes I did say that IF the Azores sticks around it bodes well for a milder winter, but we all know that.


Anyway, the brief cold snap still looks on the cards mon-weds next week but good agreement in the models for the high pressure to settle us down again, and could be quite a warm end to the month. 

RavenCraven
11 September 2013 09:41:00


  Cold wet and windy sums it up. September looks certain to be colder than average now.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1202.html


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1442.html


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1682.html


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1922.html


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


 


Only for those days, the days before and the days after the charts posted look good to me.

Polar Low
11 September 2013 09:56:02

Much appreciated Martin


                  Were lucky to have you.



Good morning. Here is this morning's offerings from the midnight outputs of GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Tuesday September 11th 2013.


All models show an occlusion close to the SE moving away East. A new set of fronts over the NW are shown to move South and SE through the day bringing outbreaks of rain and drizzle, heaviest in the West through the latter half of today. The cold front then gets hung up over the South as it loops back and returns East over the North tomorrow as a warm front with rain and drizzle for the North and cloudy but less damp weather in the South. As the cold front slips South on Friday and Saturday it develops waves which enhance rainfall over Southern Britain for Friday and Saturday clearing late in the day. The North will be brighter and fresher on Friday and Saturday. By Sunday all models show freshening Westerly winds and fronts approaching from the West with rain following later in the day moving East.


GFS then shows the deep Low bringing Sundays rain further North than last evening's midday run and consequently brings less dramatic changes to the South at least. Nevertheless, all areas will see a spell of rain and fresh to strong winds with gales in the North and NE followed by brighter and cooler weather with NW winds, the showers most prolific in the North. Later in the run the weather warms up somewhat for a time, especially across the South as High pressure ridge up into Southern England. This is then pulled east in response to the remains of an ex-tropical storm heading NE towards Iceland and giving the UK a spell of rain as it's cold front clears through and followed by Low pressure to the North delivering further showers or outbreaks of rain in temperatures close to average to end the run.


The Fax Charts show a complex array of fronts mostly affecting the South and West with rain and drizzle over the coming days before the large depression forming on Sunday brings a warm and cold front East across the UK at the end of the weekend with wind and rain for all.


The GFS Ensembles show very little cohesion following the weekend Low pressure with a wide spread between members showing many different options again this morning. The only general theme I can pick up is that following the weekend rainfall the trend shows rather less rainfall for the South the deeper we move into the run. The temperature profile is hard to quantify today as the average shown by the mean line for the run is skewed by equal warm or chilly options with the operational a warmer outlier in it's latter stages.


The Jet Stream shows the off shoot from the flow moving South or SW today in association with today's complex front structure dissolving away later tonight as the main arm rides NE to the North of the UK for tomorrow until the weekend. The flow strengthens early next week innitially across the UK from the NW before lifting slowly North towards Northern Scotland or even further North deeper into next week.


UKMO today holds the deep Low to the North of the UK early next week with the brunt of the cold and showery weather held to these areas while Southern areas become at risk of further Atlantic disturbances running East in the flow with spells of rain but less cool conditions than in the North.


GEM develops the Low as the other models and maintains Low pressure close to the North and NE of Britain well into next week with unstable, cool and showery conditions for all with the added ingredient of rather more prolonged rainfall at times as troughs running East in the West or NW winds continues until later in the week. Then High pressure builds from the South with a quieter Autumnal spell of dry anticyclonic weather likely for a time towards next weekend.


NAVGEM brings the Low pressure towards Northern Scotland at the beginning of next week and holds it there while filling slowly for several days, all the while continuing to spiral areas of cloud, rain and showers East across Britain in a cool West to NW flow.


ECM today shows the deep Low to the North and NE of britain at the start of next week with a band of rain followed by showers for all. It then draws a secondary depression into it's flow towards midweek which would bring heavy rain across england and wales followed by very cool Northerly winds and showers to all for a while later in the week before a ridge of High pressure in the wake of the Low topples East over the UK with further low pressure, this time well to the NW delivers cloud and rain on milder SW winds towards the end of the run.


In Summary today it's a very mish mash selection of charts which while showing some interesting synoptics offer no cohesion in patterns making next weeks weather extremely difficult to decipher today. It looks odds on that some sort of wet and windy spell early next week is likely, most effective in the North while the South may see no more than a strong breeze and a band of rain. Where that depression goes in the longer term is open for debate this morning as options of High pressure rebuilding or continuing unsettled weather with Low pressure to the North are all shown to some degree or another with anything possible. To use the much used phrase on this forum it's a case of many more runs needed before things become any clearer and commonplace between the models.


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 

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11 September 2013 11:24:28



  Cold wet and windy sums it up. September looks certain to be colder than average now.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1202.html


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1442.html


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1682.html


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1922.html


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


That's not in the least bit certain - for all you or anybody knows, the final week could see something akin to late September 2011. Admittedly it's going to take something considerable to turn around the negative anomalies that look likely to develop during the next week or so.


If anything, the key phrase this morning is 'uncertain', as an active jet stream provides numerous areas of low pressure that are each likely to be modified in one way or another as their time draws closer. It does look to be turning into one of my least favourite months of all time, but what can you do eh?


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Good post, yes nothing is certain but what is interesting is that every time very warm weather is shown it ends up being a lot cooler. Possible warm spell at the end of the month I agree, but the models are all over the place for this September for some reason. A very different September to what we have been used to so far - I think if the warm spell does come off at the end of the month it could perhaps end up like June with a very slight negative CET. More runs needed.

Tractor Boy
11 September 2013 12:13:47

GFS 06z Op FI paints a rather settled and pleasant picture...


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1921.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2401.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3001.png


...but huge scatter in the ENS with the op on the warm side


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png


Dave
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Polar Low
11 September 2013 17:18:01

Looks very unstable to me in the reliable if gm is right


Maybe storm force winds for the north if gm is right very cool in the wind


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/geme_cartes.php?&ech=108&mode=0&carte=0


secondary energy feature adds weight to unsettled period


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/geme_cartes.php?&ech=156&mode=0&carte=0


Jet roars on thru the uk http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/geme_cartes.php?&ech=150&mode=5&carte=0


Good hold of heights NH.


 


 

Steve Murr
11 September 2013 17:52:22

COLD!


 


http://91.121.16.5/modeles_gfs/runs/2013091112/144-778.GIF?11-12


 


GFS calling for 7c Max next Tuesday- impressive for Sept!


UKMO going for a secondary wave supporting the Northerly flow-


S

Polar Low
11 September 2013 18:45:07

 no 15 http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=15&ech=102&mode=1&carte=1


early march of the Penguins


I will not move!!

Stormchaser
11 September 2013 19:13:18

That ECM run is bonkers - the blocking required to beat down such a strong storm and lock it's remnants in place for days on end at this time of year is... astronomical.


But not impossible.


Shame we're going to be on the chilly side of the trough when that blocking develops. I really thought we'd be on the warm side instead, mostly based on longer range CFS and GFS output plus hints from the ECM 32-day runs. Just goes to show how hopeless our forecasting attempts can be beyond just a few day's range!


Will the blocking be as mighty as ECM shows? If it does turn out like that, then it will be an exceptional event for September - which will serve to keep me on the forum no matter how miserable it gets.


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Polar Low
11 September 2013 19:33:32

Lovely hold off heights on japs huge NH blocking s..m


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/jma.php?ech=156&mode=1&nh=1&archive=0


Smashes her to bits note 2 feature similiar to Gav viddy other day.


 

GIBBY
11 September 2013 19:44:57

Good evening. Here is the report on the midday outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for tonight Wednesday September 11th 2013.


All models remain the same for events between now and Sunday with a changeable period expected for most areas as a series of troughs move slowly East and South across the UK over the period. A slow moving waving front over Southern Britain could give a dull and wet day in the South on Friday clearing only slowly on Saturday. The North will then turn windy, cloudy and wet on Sunday spreading to all areas by the end of the day. Temperatures through this period will be close to average after rather muggy day tomorrow in the South.


GFS then shows the Autumn storm crossing East North of Scotland late in the weekend followed by a secondary depression crossing the South early in the week with a spell of strong winds, showers and more prolonged rain at times over the UK. In FI tonight High pressure slowly builds back NE over the UK with fine and dry conditions developing as the NW wind eases. This then lasts through to the end of the run before any change to slightly less settled conditions is shown.


The GFS Ensembles show an undulating period of uppers which rise and fall as fronts and attendant Low pressure passes through the first half of the run. A wide spread values exist between the members from the mid point of the run with rainfall quantities gradually reducing for a time in the South as we move deeper into the run.


The Jet Stream shows the main arm of the flow blowing SE across the UK as we move towards the weekend and in association with Low pressure to the North of the UK on Sunday. As we move through next week the flow maintains it's NW to SE flow over the UK until it weakens later in the week as pressure builds from the SW pushing the flow slowly North.


UKMO tonight has Low pressure to the NW of the UK early Sunday moving ESE then SE down the North Sea early next week. The result off this is a period of cool or very cool NW then north winds with rain or heavy showers affecting all of the UK until midweek at least.


GEM tonight shows an unsettled start to next week as a showery NW flow following Sunday's wind and rain is replaced by a secondary Low enhancing the wind and rain in the South for a time. Later in the week High pressure does build slowly from the South with fine and dry conditions gradually extending North and east over the UK by the end of next week.


NAVGEM shows a UKMO type solution taking Low pressure down the North sea next week to end the run with a Low complex over the North sea and the UK bathed in very cool and showery North winds with some areas of more persistent rain possible near the East Coast.


ECM tonight also holds Low pressure over the north sea next week with rain and showers in cool air across the UK. Late in the week the weather moderates to some degree but continues to be changeable with further rain at times as further Low pressure trundles in from the West on somewhat milder Atlantic winds late in the run.


In Summary tonight the weather is shown to go one of two ways. We have GFS and GEM on the one side with a spell of wet and windy weather at the weekend followed by a slow improvement next week as High pressure builds from the SW. Alternatively we have UKMO, NAVGEM and ECM all showing Low pressure hanging around in the North Sea for some considerable time next week with a more sustained spell of very and almost exceptionally cool and showery weather. Which is right is hard to call at the moment though with the strength of the power horse models of UKMO and ECM batting on the same side one would probably favour the latter route as more likely to be the correct one.


Martin G
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Saint Snow
11 September 2013 22:31:07
GIBBY
12 September 2013 07:34:43

Good morning folks. Here is the latest report taken using the midnight outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Thursday September 12th 2013.


All models including the Fax Charts show a moist NW or West airflow over the UK today and across the South tomorrow and some of Saturday too as a warm front crosses from the West later today with it's associated cold front getting hung up over Southern Britain tomorrow and Saturday. Within these fronts will lie outbreaks of mostly light rain but with some heavier bursts tomorrow and Saturday morning in the South as ripples run along the front West to East. The North will become clearer and fresher tomorrow and Saturday with some bright spells. By Sunday a vigorous depression will move East to the North of Scotland with winds becoming strong Westerly everywhere with gales in the North and a band of heavy rain pushing East through Sunday, heavy in places. Monday then sees a cold front having chased the rain away SE leaving all of the UK in a cool or very cool NW flow with squally showers and sunny spells.


GFS then shows much of next week being governed by the Low slowly filling as it ambles around in the North sea maintaining showery and cool weather over the British Isles with limited sunny intervals. The strong winds do ease through each day but coming from the North it will always feel cool or very cool especially near the East Coast. Through the second half of the output this morning is for the UK to see continuing changeable weather with rain at times in quite cool conditions with the most notable difference this morning being the strong build of pressure over Greenland later which could well steer some powerful storms across the Atlantic towards the UK later in the month should that happen.


The GFS Ensembles are well trending on the cool side of average this morning, certainly through the next week before something of a recovery to more normal levels of temperature in what appears to be a changeable spell of weather throughout.


The Jet Stream shows the flow to the north of the UK tilting NW to SE across the UK at the weekend in a very powerful form with the flow then projected more or less SE across the UK within the reliable time restraints of the output today.


UKMO shows a cool and very windy start to next week with the first band of squally rain clearing to showers but followed by another across the South over Tuesday behind which cool or very cool weather with frequent showers Nationwide look likely.


GEM although the same in the short term offers a strong build of pressure late next week from the SW with High pressure straddled across the UK in 10 days time with fine Autumnal weather for most with fog and mist overnight.


NAVGEM is much more reluctant to build High pressure in later next week instead opting for a GFS type solution with Low pressure maintained close to or over the North with further cool and showery weather with more prolonged rainfall at times for most areas with High pressure held well to the SW.


ECM does show a tentative rise in pressure later next week which would ensure Southern areas at least see drier and brighter weather with no more than the odd shower while Northern parts look likely to hold on to an Atlantic Westerly delivering some rain at times as fronts pass by in association with Low pressure to the NW.


In Summary this morning the one thing that is clear is all areas are going to see a spell of wet and windy weather at the end of the weekend and start of next week which will include some unseasonably cool conditions for the north and East in particular for a time. What is unclear remains to be what follows after with GEM and ECM to a lesser degree opting for a more settled ending to next week as high pressure builds from the South. The limitations of the UKMO run make it unclear where that one is heading while GFS and NAVGEM showing something much more unsettled continuing over the UK. GFS shows pressure rising strongly over Greenland which if happens could eventually steer the Jet Stream South and put the UK in the firing line for some potent storms later in the month but at this range this is simply embryonic and subject to change. So all in all a lot of interesting synoptics jostling around over the next few weeks as the poles cool quickly and the summer warmth holds on to our South.


Martin G
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Jiries
12 September 2013 08:19:05


Today we under the HP cell and still raining so I don't there any point to trust any HP cell being very dry and sunny type. It been poor wet HP week so far here.  Any unseasonable cool next week doesn't excite me because those low teen temps next week would be the same thing appearing in winter months occasionally.  This year September more like 1994 which was the coolest month than Oct 94 to Feb 95 which was warmer then average.

Jiries
12 September 2013 08:24:55

Also who know what the weather be like by this weekend since today models and BBC forecast went very wrong as they promised dry day and the London ensembles show no rain spikes for right now then over the top rain spikes by tomorrow which would turn opposite way.

GIBBY
12 September 2013 08:47:06


Also who know what the weather be like by this weekend since today models and BBC forecast went very wrong as they promised dry day and the London ensembles show no rain spikes for right now then over the top rain spikes by tomorrow which would turn opposite way.


Originally Posted by: Jiries 


I think the rain your experiencing Jiries is from a very low based stratus cloud which is never picked up well by the models. As there is no front as such over you or some other Eastern and Southern parts currently the sheer saturation of the air at the moment means drizzle can fall from very shallow Stratus cloud. Tomorrows rain is expected to be more appreciable and widespread with a slow moving front across Southern Britain.


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Jiries
12 September 2013 09:06:30



Also who know what the weather be like by this weekend since today models and BBC forecast went very wrong as they promised dry day and the London ensembles show no rain spikes for right now then over the top rain spikes by tomorrow which would turn opposite way.


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 


I think the rain your experiencing Jiries is from a very low based stratus cloud which is never picked up well by the models. As there is no front as such over you or some other Eastern and Southern parts currently the sheer saturation of the air at the moment means drizzle can fall from very shallow Stratus cloud. Tomorrows rain is expected to be more appreciable and widespread with a slow moving front across Southern Britain.


Originally Posted by: Jiries 


It may end up opposite with fast moving front instead.  We had rain on Monday all day when they forecasted few showers and better day than Sunday as they thought. 

Charmhills
12 September 2013 09:06:31

The models are looking very seasonal this morning.


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colin46
12 September 2013 09:23:44
i love the different seasons and the weather they bring,Autumn is my favourite,the wind,rain,frost,fog,the chill in the air and the possibility of snow over the scottish mountains,the blowing leaves,the colours etc.Bring it on.
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ARTzeman
12 September 2013 11:26:10

The Met office 30 Day is Autumnal  from 19 th to the end of the month for this area..Pleasant but nights could bring...Mist...Fog or Frost...


 






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yorkshirelad89
12 September 2013 11:43:10

One dominant theme over the last few months has been the persistant formation of high pressure between NE Scandanavia and Svalbard. Like 2010 this area was were the most anomalous melting of ice took place. SST's in this region as a result are far above normal. Will the formation of high pressure be persistant there over the next few months? Will be interesting to see. It has been very pronounced on recent runs.


The pattern we are seeing IMO is reminiscent to the second half of May, high pressure to our NE transporting heat to Scandi and leaving central Europe under threat from troughs, the UK and France left with temepratures noticeably below normal.


Given the uprade of next weeks below normal temperatures in recent runs, we are definitely within a shot of having a CET in the 12's.


One thing noticeable later in the runs is hurricane Humberto emerging, this will throw a lot of uncertainty within the models for the later part of the month.


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Saint Snow
12 September 2013 11:54:12


Probably show us under a huge Atlantic storm by tomorrow's output


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


Yup 



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Gavin P
12 September 2013 13:24:31

Hi all,


Here's todays video update;


Northern Blocking Re-Emerging;


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


Thnking we could have a notably cool and unsettled September developing now.


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12 September 2013 13:43:01


Hi all,


Here's todays video update;


Northern Blocking Re-Emerging;


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


Thnking we could have a notably cool and unsettled September developing now.


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Just done a post about the JMA on my page and promoted your page at the same time, Gavin

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