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Gandalf The White
12 September 2013 14:30:26


The models are looking very seasonal this morning.


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


As they have been for several days.


My memory may be faulty but it seems generally to be the case that once the first autumn storm has arrived we never seem to get back to 'summery' conditions.  I wonder if this year will follow the pattern - certainly the charts and MetO forecast suggest so.


The models have been pretty consistent in recent days in picking up the deep low to the NE of Scotland and the development of that secondary feature which runs across on Tuesday.


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130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Scandy 1050 MB
12 September 2013 14:33:58


All JFF of course but that's the second or third time the CFS has thrown out a chart like that for Christmas, rather like the January situation which keeps coming and going. With what seems to be a trend towards perhaps another negative CET month possible I wouldn't rule anything out.


Back to present and I'd enjoy the relatively warm couple of days today and tomorrow if you have any sunshine, next week looking distinctly wet and cool.

12 September 2013 14:38:10



All JFF of course but that's the second or third time the CFS has thrown out a chart like that for Christmas, rather like the January situation which keeps coming and going. With what seems to be a trend towards perhaps another negative CET month possible I wouldn't rule anything out.


Back to present and I'd enjoy the relatively warm couple of days today and tomorrow if you have any sunshine, next week looking distinctly wet and cool.


Originally Posted by: ManUtdMatt1986 



I'm keeping scores of the pressure patterns and temperature anomolies being thrown out by the CFS for each of the winter months - https://www.facebook.com/WeatherWatchUK/posts/234444746709513

Scroll to the bottom of the comments to get the current scores (I've only been doing this since yesterday though).

Just for fun but will be interesting to see if it keeps up the same sort of trend and whether it ends up being close to the mark or way off.

mikeyo
12 September 2013 14:48:27


Hi all,


Here's todays video update;


Northern Blocking Re-Emerging;


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


Thnking we could have a notably cool and unsettled September developing now.


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


 


OK, this is not right. I have started watching the vids and it aint even winter yet! Something is brewing! Great vid Gav.

Gooner
12 September 2013 16:57:32


Hi all,


Here's todays video update;


Northern Blocking Re-Emerging;


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


Thnking we could have a notably cool and unsettled September developing now.


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Cheers Gav


Nice and seasonal


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
12 September 2013 16:58:40


Ideal


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Charmhills
12 September 2013 16:59:40
GIBBY
12 September 2013 19:09:07

Good evening. Here is tonight's viewpoint from me on the midday outputs of GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for tonight Thursday September 12th 2013.


All models maintain the pattern of weather now up to and including Tuesday of next week. The next 24-36 hours will see an array of fronts cross all of the UK tonight and across the South later tomorrow as a wave depression runs East across Southern England late tomorrow. This will bring outbreaks of slight to moderate rainfall but with some heavier bursts possible here and there especially in the South later tomorrow. Once this clears early on Saturday a respectable period of weather will occur with some sunshine and light winds. However, this is the lull before the first Autumn gale of the season which batters the North on Sunday with troughs sweeping East across all areas with widespread rain, heavy in places. Following a squally cold front SE Monday will be a very windy day for all areas with squally, heavy and thundery showers likely almost anywhere but most frequent in the North and West. On Tuesday Northern areas see another showery day while Southern areas see another small but vigorous trough feature run East across Southern England through the day with a spell of more prolonged rainfall before a return to squally showers in NW winds ends the day.


GFS then shows further disturbances running SE across SW Britain through the remaining days of next week with further cool and rainy weather here at times while the North and East seem more likely to stay rather showery but all areas stay very cool. Later in the output the South becomes drier and brighter for a time as a ridge to the South edges into Southern Britain for a time. However, the North stays breezy and changeable with this windy and changeable theme extending back South across the rest of Britain late in the run.


The GFS Ensembles tonight show a period of rather cool weather with good consensus between the members of cool and changeable weather with rain at times for a good part of the run. Some drier spells look probable at times but Low pressure looks likely to hold sway over the UK with at least some rain and strong winds for the UK, even in the South.


The Jet Stream shows the flow moving East to the North of the UK over the next few days before it dives SE on a very strong flow through much of next week and even shows little sign tonight of leaving the UK continuing to blow from the West or NW for the next 10 days or so.


UKMO tonight shows Low pressure moving SE over the North Sea with a very showery NW flow following a very strong taste of Autumn in the way of wind and rain in the days before. With High pressure showing rising heights to the North of the UK it looks like further Low pressure crossing the Atlantic later next week could have the UK in it's trajectory.


GEM shows a very windy and unsettled week throughout next week before the emphasis on the most changeable conditions shifts to the North of the UK with generally less wind and rain in the South later in the run as High pressure edges somewhat closer to the South.


NAVGEM shows a very deep Low trundling down the North Sea early next week with the centre making it's home somewhere near Denmark late in the week pulling down continually cool or very cool and showery North or NW winds with the final day's charts showing further Low pressure moving across the Atlantic towards the British Isles at the close of the run.


ECM tonight shows an extended cool and unsettled spell through next week and possibly beyond with showers or longer spells of rain and very cool NW or North winds as High pressure over the Arctic forces the Jet South over the UK with the UK in the firing line for a succession of depressions running through on a brisk and cool West flow though conditions warming a little late in the run. 


Tonight's Summary can best be described as a typical Autumn one with all models hardening their grip on the prospect of a very early taste of cool and potentially very windy weather next week when showers or longer spells of rain remain the order of the weather through the week. The prospect of High pressure building NE across the UK shown by previous output is looking a little less certain tonight with more members going for a continuation of changeable conditions albeit with something slightly less cool developing with time as winds become more westerly but still fresh to strong at times. 


Martin G
Kilmersdon Radstock Bath Somerset



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Hungry Tiger
12 September 2013 19:35:28



Ideal


Originally Posted by: ManUtdMatt1986 



My goodness - that would be close to one of the coldest Xmas days on record. I can see a daytime max of -5C with that one.


Mores besides as well - non stop snow as well.


 


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TWO Moderator.
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South Cambridgeshire. 93 metres or 302.25 feet ASL.


Quantum
12 September 2013 20:02:57

There is a real risk that Hurricane Humerto could end up directly hitting the UK. The ECMWF and the ensembles seem to think so at any rate. Of course it will be an extratropical cyclone when it arrives, but it could combine with the polar front to form a rapidally developing 'bomb' secondary system. Its a long time in the future, but since most hurricanes follow a similar track, and this one is unlikely to be heading to the baffin, I think its a real possibility. 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Andy Woodcock
12 September 2013 20:17:42

Have heard the saying 'Four Seasons In One Da'y but not Four Weather Fronts In One Day!


http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/fax/PPVK89.png


 


It might be a bit wet.


 


Andy


Andy Woodcock
Penrith
Cumbria

Altitude 535 feet

"Why are the British so worried about climate change? Any change to their climate can only be an improvement" John Daley 2001
Gooner
12 September 2013 20:19:13


Have heard the saying 'Four Seasons In One Da'y but not Four Weather Fronts In One Day!


http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/fax/PPVK89.png


 


It might be a bit wet.


 


Andy


Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 


Blimey, one after the other after the other after the other


Wet wet wet


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Quantum
12 September 2013 20:30:15



Have heard the saying 'Four Seasons In One Da'y but not Four Weather Fronts In One Day!


http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/fax/PPVK89.png


 


It might be a bit wet.


 


Andy


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Blimey, one after the other after the other after the other


Wet wet wet


Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 


I suspect though, the cold front of the parent depression is the only active front. The other three fronts are probably kata, and carry little more than depressingly thick cloud and drizzly rain.  


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
GIBBY
13 September 2013 07:34:10

Good morning. Here is the report on the midnight outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Friday September 13th 2013.


All models including the Fax Charts are very much in agreement on the course of events over the coming 4-5 days taking us towards the middle of next week. A rippling front across Southern Britain will pep up this morning to give a wet period later today and tonight, clearing the SE only slowly tomorrow. Clearer and fresher weather over Northern Britain today will extend to all areas tomorrow as a weak ridge passes over. Then on Sunday a deep and vigorous Low pressure area is shown by all models to be close to Northern Scotland with a series of fronts crossing East across the UK with rain for all, heavy in places and gales in the North. then following a cold front a spell of windy, very cool and showery weather will arrive in time for the new week with a spell of more persistent rain across the South at some point through Tuesday as a secondary Low feature runs across Southern Britain from the West with showers returning for Wednesday.


GFS then shows the weather slowly improving from the SW as the latter half of the run commences with some drier spells between a little rain at times in the South with the more unsettled weather more likely in the north. Following a dry and bright few days across Southern Britain the operational shows a return to changeable conditions for all with some rain at times to end the run though with a SW feed it would become quite warm and humid feeling.


The GFS Ensembles look distinctly Autumnal this morning with a period of cool and windy weather shown by most members through the coming week lifting only slowly towards more average uppers later in the run. The operational runs warm end proves it to be a warm outlier in among a majority of rather cooler options. throughout the run rainfall is a common feature with less evidence of a lessening of amounts later in the run shown today.


The Jet Stream continues to fire over the Atlantic strengthening markedly at the weekend as it powers SE across the UK. It then looks like holding firm at this position for much of next week holding Low pressure close to the East and encouraging further developments to keep the changeable and often cool theme going.


UKMO today closes it's run with a slacker Northerly flow on the departure of low pressure over northern Germany. Some showers are still likely over the UK but winds will be lighter and in any clear skies overnight the risk of mist and fog and even ground frost is very possible.


GEM today shows a cool and windy middle of next week still with plenty of showers in a cool NW flow. Later in the week and weekend High pressure builds from the SW with rainfall lighter and more intermittent with a dry spell developing for all at the end of the run as High pressure takes hold with decent days and mist and fog overnight.


NAVGEM slides the Low pressure down the East coast of the UK next week with maintained cool and showery NW then North and NE winds. Slightly less unsettled conditions do look possible at the end of the run there is still plenty of scope for low pressure to keep the unsettled theme going.


ECM today keeps Low pressure in some shape or form close to the East and NE of the UK maintaining a cool and unsettled period with rain at times for all in often cool and blustery NW winds.


In Summary today the weather looks like showing and proving that we are now entering Autumn with cool, windy and showery weather the order of most of the output for much of next week. Leaving aside the natural variability at longer range between the models with a more Southerly Jet flow predicted now there is more chance that the Azores High will have less of an impact on the UK weather as Low pressure is forced on a more Southerly track over the UK or North Sea than of late with pressure likely to become somewhat higher in the Arctic.


Martin G
Kilmersdon Radstock Bath Somerset



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nsrobins
13 September 2013 08:05:30

Gales are definately a feature of the next five days, with the NW at highest risk Monday.
My attention is on the secondary feature swinging in on Tuesday that threatens gales/severe gales across a large portion of the UK.
Summer is over, and the tap on Autumn has definately been turned.


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
Ally Pally Snowman
13 September 2013 08:15:47

Interesting that London is wetter than Manchester for the first time in ages. Both very wet though could be talking about floods soon if this keeps up.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_Manchester_ens.png


 


ECM is even wetter a non stop rain fest.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm721.html


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm961.html


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1441.html


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1681.html


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2161.html


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2401.html


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Sevendust
13 September 2013 08:29:09


Gales are definately a feature of the next five days, with the NW at highest risk Monday.
My attention is on the secondary feature swinging in on Tuesday that threatens gales/severe gales across a large portion of the UK.
Summer is over, and the tap on Autumn has definately been turned.


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


Indeed - a run through the Meto faxes shows a big drop in ambient pressure in the next few days with a series of features coming into the UK. What it does mean is a lot of rainfall here which has been desperately lacking for seemingly ages. Finally the new summer house guttering will be tested!

turbotubbs
13 September 2013 08:43:28

I think some of us in the South might not have as bad a day on sunday as the TV forecasts are leading us to believe. Looking at the precipitation forecasts from the GFS and METO I just can't see the rain for south of the M4, at least until much later in the day.


 


http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-bin/expertcharts?LANG=en&MENU=0000000000&CONT=ukuk&MODELL=ukmo&MODELLTYP=1&BASE=-&VAR=prec&HH=60&ZOOM=0&ARCHIV=0&RES=0&WMO=&PERIOD=

stophe
13 September 2013 08:59:26

Currently in kiev at the moment.we could have alot of rain over the next few days as a low sits right over us.


Looks very stormy over the british isles. 




http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_Kiew_ens.png  

Charmhills
13 September 2013 09:10:38


It will be wet and windy at times but not sure about a rainfest though at this stage.


Loughborough, EM.

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Duane.
ARTzeman
13 September 2013 09:34:00

Anemometers at the ready..new rain gauge is working..  So is ECM....






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Others just get wet.
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Cumbrian Snowman
13 September 2013 11:11:50

At last some proper interesting weather.


Liking the idea of an Ex Hurricane on its way - I can see the headlines now !


Gavin P
13 September 2013 12:56:15

Hi all,


Have done a bit of  a September/October Look-Ahead video today;


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


Thinking drier and cool for early October?


Rural West Northants 120m asl
Short, medium and long range weather forecast videos @ https://www.youtube.com/user/GavsWeatherVids
Jiries
13 September 2013 17:27:18


I think some of us in the South might not have as bad a day on sunday as the TV forecasts are leading us to believe. Looking at the precipitation forecasts from the GFS and METO I just can't see the rain for south of the M4, at least until much later in the day.


 


http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-bin/expertcharts?LANG=en&MENU=0000000000&CONT=ukuk&MODELL=ukmo&MODELLTYP=1&BASE=-&VAR=prec&HH=60&ZOOM=0&ARCHIV=0&RES=0&WMO=&PERIOD=


Originally Posted by: turbotubbs 


It would be good for the car boot sales being on Sunday as they went on last week without problems from rain showers that came later in the afternoon.  My gut feeling that if this unwelcome rain continuing like this for rest of the month then car boot sales would sadly ended very early for 2013 due to flooding issue.  It was opened late this year in late April thanks to the cold weather. 

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