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DEW
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17 September 2013 10:48:26

While definitely looking forward to the spell of warm fine weather forecast for the end of this September, may I put in a plea for British English and ask for it to be called by its traditional British name, St Martin's Summer? St Martin is said to have been rewarded with a spell of fine weather after giving his warm cloak to a beggar.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_summer


Indian Summer is an American import. I suspect that St Martin's Summer belongs to the home of lost causes, now the newspapers have got hold of the term, but that's no excuse. No-one here would use the media term 'mini-tornado' - would they? At least it sounds better thant the Dutch equivalent, 'Old Ladies' Summer'!


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Rob K
17 September 2013 10:51:01
I shall continue to use the term "Freak September Scorcher", as the Daily Express intended.
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Jonesy
17 September 2013 11:00:28

I don't care who's summer it's going to be aslong as we get some late warmth and I don't need a jacket to go out in  Oh and also so I can make full use of my new flip flops purchased in the "End of Summer Sale"


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nsrobins
17 September 2013 11:02:19

I shall continue to use the term "Freak September Scorcher", as the Daily Express intended.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 



Agree it should be St Martins Summer. 'Indian Summer' is an American import, like elevator and 2XL. It refers to a period of warm, dry weather that occurs after the first proper frost of the season.
Many European countries do refer to it as 'Old Ladies Summer' (in Russia it is called Babye Leto, although being Russian they have tended to deny all knowledge of it and will only support a period of warm dry weather if it was of strategic use to them).


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ARTzeman
17 September 2013 11:08:34

18 th Of October is St Luke's Day. Known as St Luke's Summer   as it is sometimes in the middle of a fine period of weather...  






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Essan
17 September 2013 11:55:37

Have I lost a month?

I thought it was still mid September? 

Far too early to know whether we'll have spell in unseasonal warm weather in late October or early November, surely?


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Snowfan
17 September 2013 12:10:46


Have I lost a month?

I thought it was still mid September? 

Far too early to know whether we'll have spell in unseasonal warm weather in late October or early November, surely?


Originally Posted by: Essan 


 


 I do hope not!!!!!!!!!!!!


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vince
17 September 2013 12:27:18


Have I lost a month?

I thought it was still mid September? 

Far too early to know whether we'll have spell in unseasonal warm weather in late October or early November, surely?


Originally Posted by: Essan 


 


Well said that man , mind you if the rain gets any heavier here at the moment , will it turn to snow ....LOL..  only 8.9 degrees now , truely shocking September weather today

Saint Snow
17 September 2013 13:16:22

At least it sounds better thant the Dutch equivalent, 'Old Ladies' Summer'!


Originally Posted by: DEW 


 


Also known as St Michaels summer


 


 


 


for those old enough to remember Marks & Spencer's own brand label


 


 


 


 



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Essan
17 September 2013 15:29:30


At least it sounds better thant the Dutch equivalent, 'Old Ladies' Summer'!


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


Also known as St Michaels summer


 


 


 


for those old enough to remember Marks & Spencer's own brand label


 


 


 


 


Originally Posted by: DEW 


 

So named because it gets so hot we all strip down to our (M&S) undies


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Osprey
18 September 2013 13:36:48


While definitely looking forward to the spell of warm fine weather forecast for the end of this September, may I put in a plea for British English and ask for it to be called by its traditional British name, St Martin's Summer? St Martin is said to have been rewarded with a spell of fine weather after giving his warm cloak to a beggar.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_summer


Indian Summer is an American import. I suspect that St Martin's Summer belongs to the home of lost causes, now the newspapers have got hold of the term, but that's no excuse. No-one here would use the media term 'mini-tornado' - would they? At least it sounds better thant the Dutch equivalent, 'Old Ladies' Summer'!


Originally Posted by: DEW 


Never heard of it (St Martins) Always known it as an Indian Summer, even in the early 70's we new it as an Indian and as for USA import well maybe they did but I have my doubts, and the newspapers getting hold of the term now, well thats old news, they've been saying that for years too


St Martins mmm na.. St Swithin's day, that I can relate too


Besides, the term "Indian summer" Makes most people feel good (Those who like warm weather that is)


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Col
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18 September 2013 20:15:48



While definitely looking forward to the spell of warm fine weather forecast for the end of this September, may I put in a plea for British English and ask for it to be called by its traditional British name, St Martin's Summer? St Martin is said to have been rewarded with a spell of fine weather after giving his warm cloak to a beggar.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_summer


Indian Summer is an American import. I suspect that St Martin's Summer belongs to the home of lost causes, now the newspapers have got hold of the term, but that's no excuse. No-one here would use the media term 'mini-tornado' - would they? At least it sounds better thant the Dutch equivalent, 'Old Ladies' Summer'!


Originally Posted by: Osprey 


Never heard of it (St Martins) Always known it as an Indian Summer, even in the early 70's we new it as an Indian and as for USA import well maybe they did but I have my doubts, and the newspapers getting hold of the term now, well thats old news, they've been saying that for years too


St Martins mmm na.. St Swithin's day, that I can relate too


Besides, the term "Indian summer" Makes most people feel good (Those who like warm weather that is)


Originally Posted by: DEW 


That is my recollection too, the term has been used in this country since at least the 70s. If it is an American import, it's not a recent one.


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GIBBY
19 September 2013 07:54:58

May of been said alreaady but an Indian Summer does not occur in September. It happens when an unusually warm and sunny feed from Europe occurs over the UK in October. It is far too early for it to be referred to in the upcoming settled period.


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Osprey
19 September 2013 08:16:37


May of been said alreaady but an Indian Summer does not occur in September. It happens when an unusually warm and sunny feed from Europe occurs over the UK in October. It is far too early for it to be referred to in the upcoming settled period.


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 


I think it's because of the cooler weather of late has reinforced the notion that if it warms up people refer it to an Indian summer because it's in Autumn. even though like you said an Idian or St Martins summer is during October.


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