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07 October 2013 23:05:29


Personally I haven't got any faith in pattern matching with years gone by. The weather has a mind of it's own and rarely follows the exact path predicted the day before yet alone years. With regard to the upcoming wintry style synoptics I would rather of seen them in January rather than October but just like in January chances are that things will look mild again in a couple of weeks such is the vagueries and complexities of a maritime island climate


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 


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idj20
08 October 2013 07:40:28

Looks like being Spring 2013 all over again for my neck of the woods (East Kent) going by the outputs, as in being cold, windy, damp and cloudy for the next few days as winds becomes a north-easterly.
  The only difference this time round is the STTs over the North Sea being higher than six months ago. 


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turbotubbs
08 October 2013 08:01:14


Personally I haven't got any faith in pattern matching with years gone by. The weather has a mind of it's own and rarely follows the exact path predicted the day before yet alone years. With regard to the upcoming wintry style synoptics I would rather of seen them in January rather than October but just like in January chances are that things will look mild again in a couple of weeks such is the vagueries and complexities of a maritime island climate. 


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 

I have two problems with pattern matching


(1) Its never matching for the whole earth (or at least no one checks...)


(2) Chaos thory is built on small initial differences (as are present to a very large degree in pattern matching) leading to massive differences down the line


But apart from that its lots of fun!


Re the 'excitement' of some - for me I'm just glad to be moving away from the current regime that has just been too warm (for oct). We've not even needed the heating on!


Plus last November it snowed in Warminster (and more on the high ground in Bath) around the 4-5th  so we are not that far away from potential.

GIBBY
08 October 2013 08:19:45

Good morning. Here is the report on the 12 midnight outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Tuesday October 8th 2013.


All models show the same pattern that's been shown for some time now. After a sustained period of above average temperatures across the UK things are set to change as a couple of cold fronts move South through Britain today and tomorrow. Pressure then rises to the West and NW of Britain with a chilly and strong Northerly flow developing, especially in the East where showers will be heavy and prolonged in places on Thursday before the risk of these becomes restricted towards more Southern and SE areas by the weekend as High pressure builds back NE over the North. Away from the South and East the weather will become dry and bright with clear or sunny spells and temperatures on the low side with frost and patchy fog possibilities at night.


GFS then shows next week as becoming more changeable and sometimes windy after a short spell of higher pressure has collapsed over the UK by midweek. Thereafter rain at times moves in off the Atlantic in association with Low pressure areas moving NE across the UK. Temperatures would be close to average though rather chilly in the wake of cold fronts having passed through.


UKMO today continues it's approach to more modified influence from Low pressure to the SE at the weekend, filling it up and leaving a spell of slack winds and pressure to start next week with a lot of dry, cloudy and probably misty weather with the risk of a shower almost anywhere.


GEM today shows most Southern areas of England and possibly South Wales cool and showery at the weekend before these conditions ease to quiet and rather cool weather at the surface with a lot of cloud and mist around. Later in the run the trend is for Southerly breezes to develop with occasional rain moving in from the West towards or over the South and West later.


NAVGEM shows a more meaningful attack from the Low pressure over the South of England at the weekend with most Southern areas seeing rain or showers at times in rather cool conditions while the North stays dry and bright if cool. At the end of the run this drier and benign weather extends South to all as a weak ridge of High pressure ridges down from the North with light winds and mostly cloudy weather but foggy if skies clear by night.


ECM this morning shows the showery Low near the SE at the weekend filling up to allow the ridge of High pressure in the North to extend South to all with fine and dry weather for all when there will be a lot of cloud, mist and fog or all three in temperatures just about scraping to average values if conditions brighten. Late in the run fronts approaching the SW could bring a little rain into these parts later before High pressure returns on Day 10 killing any rain and returning the UK into fine and quiet weather with fog looking likely to ebcome a major issue later next week should this pattern evolve.


The GFS Ensembles this morning indicate an unsettled spell to come from this weekend with some rainfall for all areas at times for the rest of the run. The operational run was one of the drier members with some members opting for more Low pressure dominance with most members showing average temperatures in the second half of the run once the influence of the cold Northerly has been lost at the weekend.


The Jet Stream Ensemble forecast this morning shows the flow to the North diving South over the UK today and tomorrow to the East of which forms the Low pressure near the SE. This circualtion draws a new arm of the Jet towards in and begins a spell when the Southern arm of the Jet crosses the Atlantic well South of recent positioning.


In Summary today the pattern shown over yesterday is maintained this morning. There are variances on how much influence the Low to the SE affects the weather in the South at the weekend with UKMO showing very little spread while GFS and NAVGEM are more bullish in potential wet weather in the South. Meanwhile the North look more guaranteed to stay dry if rather chilly with some night frost and fog. Next week looks fairly benign as what's left of the Low near the SE fills up leaving a legacy of cloud and mist across the UK in very light winds. In the outer limits the Atlantic does look at least interested in playing a part in our weather later in the month but there looks nothing distinctive about this at the moment with only the South and West likely to see some rain from this scenario. However, GFS does show much more push from this supported greatly by it's ensembles with all areas seeing some rain too later next week. Whatever happens all models share the fact that the unseasonably warm weather of recently willbe a thing of the past after today with much more average and at times below average temperatures more likely with some fog and frost issues if skies clear by night. having said that there seems little sign of anything desperately cold to excite folks as yet.


Transcript taken from:-http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/Model-Analysis(2859336).htm 


Martin G
Kilmersdon Radstock Bath Somerset



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nsrobins
08 October 2013 08:28:04

To me it's fairly typical looking October stuff - more of a cobweb blow for a few days and damn inconvenient as I've booked an outside job Fri to Sat so I'm hoping it won't rain too much!
Of more interest is the significant cool down in Eastern Europe next week which will see the already impressive snow-cover further enhanced above norm for this time of year. There is a debatable link between the amount of European snow cover and the frequency of continental incursions into W Europe, but it's a good place to start if it's a freezing Northeasterly you're after come January.


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Jiries
08 October 2013 08:38:06

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm961.gif


Unusual set-up for mid-October and still going for decent nationwide HP this weekend which seem to stand against the other 2 which show flirting us with very wet weather over the channel and Benelux and northern France.  Temps rise back to 15C easily on Sunday which mean sunny spells while 10-11C over other side the channel. 

Polar Low
08 October 2013 11:25:42

Having said that Martin thou, I’m also a bit skeptical of the long-term winter  pattern matching prediction forecasts as well  For example theres still lots of uncertainty as to what will happen with the ENSO in the months ahead, and if you can’t predict the ENSO for the next few months, then how can you predict the other global seasonal patterns?


On the other hand thou, we now have more than 100 years of detailed weather data that now allow us to recognize certain repeating patterns, and so seasonal tendency forecasts are becoming more of a reality.


You can’t  or should not just dismiss them off hand more with a open mind I suspect.


Thats what I do anyway sorry for being a bit off topic


 


 



Personally I haven't got any faith in pattern matching with years gone by. The weather has a mind of it's own and rarely follows the exact path predicted the day before yet alone years. With regard to the upcoming wintry style synoptics I would rather of seen them in January rather than October but just like in January chances are that things will look mild again in a couple of weeks such is the vagueries and complexities of a maritime island climate. 


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 

Gavin P
08 October 2013 12:55:28

Hi all,


Here's today's video update;


Blocking Holds Sway Next 8-10 Days;


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


Looks potentially very wet and cold in the south over weekend and through next week, too.


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Gooner
08 October 2013 14:59:43

Cheers Gav


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


doctormog
08 October 2013 15:47:33
It is currently 17°C and cloudy here, rather warm for Ocotber. It's hard to believe that sub 528dam air is just around the corner!

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn243.png 

At least it will feel more like autumn tomorrow (with a chilly feel for a couple of days - albeit more "normal" than what we have had recently!)
Gooner
08 October 2013 16:28:05

It is currently 17°C and cloudy here, rather warm for Ocotber. It's hard to believe that sub 528dam air is just around the corner!

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn243.png

At least it will feel more like autumn tomorrow (with a chilly feel for a couple of days - albeit more "normal" than what we have had recently!)

Originally Posted by: doctormog 


The change to more seasonal conditions is most welcome Michael


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Quantum
08 October 2013 16:58:36

I think something is stiring. With all that cold air over Europe, it really won't take much to push it our way. Indeed atlantic lows bumping up against a ridge could catalyse this process. So I think, we should really take seriously the possibility of a very early wintry spell towards the end of the month if this pattern continues to be shown. On the GFS runs today the cold air is even closer. 


 


NAVGEM6z this morning is an eye opener for those that want the above 


http://www.modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/navgem/runs/2013100806/navgem-0-144.png?08-12


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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gooner
08 October 2013 17:34:29


I think something is stiring. With all that cold air over Europe, it really won't take much to push it our way. Indeed atlantic lows bumping up against a ridge could catalyse this process. So I think, we should really take seriously the possibility of a very early wintry spell towards the end of the month if this pattern continues to be shown. On the GFS runs today the cold air is even closer. 


 


NAVGEM6z this morning is an eye opener for those that want the above 


http://www.modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/navgem/runs/2013100806/navgem-0-144.png?08-12


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Far too early for anything wintry , just seasonal will do for the time being .


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Rob K
08 October 2013 17:48:11

There are slightly worrying signs of the jet stream being forced well to the south next week. Worrying for me because I'm going on holiday to Lisbon and if this sort of chart verifies then it could be a very wet weekend! Not what I want on our first overseas trip for three years...

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2401.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2641.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2644.png 


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Gooner
08 October 2013 17:55:20


There are slightly worrying signs of the jet stream being forced well to the south next week. Worrying for me because I'm going on holiday to Lisbon and if this sort of chart verifies then it could be a very wet weekend! Not what I want on our first overseas trip for three years...

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2401.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2641.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2644.png 


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Wet is right Rob.


You've been a bit unlucky there mate


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Quantum
08 October 2013 17:56:42



I think something is stiring. With all that cold air over Europe, it really won't take much to push it our way. Indeed atlantic lows bumping up against a ridge could catalyse this process. So I think, we should really take seriously the possibility of a very early wintry spell towards the end of the month if this pattern continues to be shown. On the GFS runs today the cold air is even closer. 


 


NAVGEM6z this morning is an eye opener for those that want the above 


http://www.modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/navgem/runs/2013100806/navgem-0-144.png?08-12


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Far too early for anything wintry , just seasonal will do for the time being .


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


 


By the time that cold air reaches the UK (if it gets there at all) it will be cold enough. In fact it happened last year and in 2008. I can conceivably see a snow event around the 22nd appearing if the charts keep coming up like they are. 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Matty H
08 October 2013 18:05:03
Meanwhile, back with what the charts are actually showing, certainly a cool down on the way from Thurs < on for here. Tomorrow further north. What is noticeable is that we'll lose a lot of the cloud, so I reckon out of the breeze temperatures of 13c or 14c will feel very pleasant. Autumnal, but pleasant. As I said yesterday, nice walking weather and some decent sunshine to light up the autumn colours that are starting to appear on the trees [sn_appr]
Gooner
08 October 2013 18:43:24

Meanwhile, back with what the charts are actually showing, certainly a cool down on the way from Thurs < on for here. Tomorrow further north. What is noticeable is that we'll lose a lot of the cloud, so I reckon out of the breeze temperatures of 13c or 14c will feel very pleasant. Autumnal, but pleasant. As I said yesterday, nice walking weather and some decent sunshine to light up the autumn colours that are starting to appear on the trees Approve

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


 


The colours look spectacular at the minute , I should imagine with the cooling off the next few days will see many trees lose their leaves.


 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn4217.png


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Rob K
08 October 2013 18:46:18


Wet is right Rob.


You've been a bit unlucky there mate


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Well that is still 10 days out so I won't call it unlucky just yet. Hoping for the HP to be a bit more resilient.


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
pnepaul
08 October 2013 18:50:41

Meanwhile, back with what the charts are actually showing, certainly a cool down on the way from Thurs < on for here. Tomorrow further north. What is noticeable is that we'll lose a lot of the cloud, so I reckon out of the breeze temperatures of 13c or 14c will feel very pleasant. Autumnal, but pleasant. As I said yesterday, nice walking weather and some decent sunshine to light up the autumn colours that are starting to appear on the trees Approve

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


I couldn't agree more. If I have understood the synoptics correctly - could be rather pleasant here in West Cumbria, clear air, sunny spells and the trees are turning colour at the moment 

Quantum
08 October 2013 19:02:39

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2013100812/ECH1-240.GIF?08-0


The ECM really strengthens the block, and by 240 there is nothing stopping the cold air from draining south. I know long range weather forecasting is a bit like reading tea leaves, but I think there really are some signs there for a potentially wintry end. If this was january we'd all be peeing ourselves. 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Polar Low
08 October 2013 19:05:55

bye bye autumn


Hello Winter


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=216&mode=0&map=1&archive=0


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=240&mode=0&map=1&archive=0


Prefect retrogression with energy sliding under.


Snow cover bulding fast to our n/e lovely jubbly.

Larry Seinfeld
08 October 2013 19:15:15

Meto 5 dayer is giving me a 12C for thursday with clear skies that will be the coolest day and then friday back up to 14C with clear skies again flollowed by a weekend with 15C. GFS 2m temps are up to 17-18C by next wednesday although the ens looks wet. A stark contrast to the north of England where temperatures are hovering between 9-11C.


 


We will have to wait and see how that low out in the Atlantic behaves as we go in to the next week but winds do look likely to to be SSW so average to slightly above average looks likely for most. Which probably means humid yet again a pattern that I'm becoming familiar with, as I don't much care for cold I'll take it as the lesser of two evils.


08 October 2013 19:16:40
colin46
08 October 2013 19:20:52

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=240&mode=0&map=1&archive=0       bloody hell!!


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