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Medlock Vale Weather
14 October 2013 16:32:15

Good grief that is some temperature contrast http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/charts/gfs/12_102_uk2mtmp.png?cb=404


Alan in Medlock Valley - Oldham's frost hollow. 103 metres above sea level.
What is a frost hollow? http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/reports/wxfacts/Frost-hollow.htm 
Charmhills
14 October 2013 16:40:05


Good grief that is some temperature contrast http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/charts/gfs/12_102_uk2mtmp.png?cb=404


Originally Posted by: Medlock Vale Weather 


A rain maker I would have thought.


Loughborough, EM.

Knowledge is power, ignorance is weakness.

Duane.
Hungry Tiger
14 October 2013 18:36:02


You know the rules people, it always takes 2 or 3 attempts. I still am of the oppinion that we are on the cusp of something very interesting towards the end of October. The block seems to restrengthen again and the jet stream pushes towards spain. Meanwhile a deep cold pool is building in parts of scandanavia. Even if we don't get 'lucky' this month with the novelety of some sleetiness, we need to keep watching for the first week of november (provided the atlantic doesnt wake up). 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/navgem/runs/2013101406/navgem-1-144.png?14-12


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


There's talk of cold weather in November - At the moment it's media hype and I'm nto taking a lot of notice of it at the moment.


But seems like they're onto something.


 


Gavin S. FRmetS.
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Polar Low
14 October 2013 19:43:51

GET IN!!


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=216&mode=1&map=1&archive=0


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=240&mode=1&map=1&archive=0


Nice Trend


 



Blocking much stronger on this run, higher heights in SW greenland and a slightly more southern jet. 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 

GIBBY
14 October 2013 19:58:07

Good evening. Here is the report on the 12 noon outputs of GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Monday October 14th 2013.


All models show a spell of milder Atlantic SW winds around Low pressure out to the West from midweek on. The North will stay rather chillier for a while with rain likely here too with time with an unsettled but relatively mild weekend likely for all.


GFS then takes us through next week with and the remainder of the run with periods of rain and strong winds with just brief drier periods as well. Things would remain mild everywhere with just brief slightly cooler interludes possible in the far North.


UKMO tonight shows a broad trough and Low pressure lying WSW to ENE across the North of England and Ireland with mild SW winds with rain and showers to the South and cooler ESE winds and wet weather to the North over Scotland.


GEM shows unsettled and possibly stormy conditions for a time next week before colder weather plunges down from the North with wintry showers in the North for a time before quieter more settled weather with frost at night develops towards the end of the run with mist and fog likely too.


NAVGEM too shows mild SW winds and spells of rain across England and Wales at the start of next week with cooler but still unsettled weather persisting in the North under cyclonic winds at times.


ECM shows unsettled, wet and windy weather still affecting the UK nationwide in strong to gale force winds at times a week from now. Towards the middle of next week things turn colder from the North while the weather remains unsettled, windy and often wet. 


The GFS Ensembles continue to show unsettled and wet weather for most areas over the coming week or two. Temperatures are largely shown to be close to average with any short interludes of cooler conditions restricted to the North.


The Jet Stream shows the flow to the North dying out as the new arm currently crossing the Atlantic sets up base on a trajectory that carries it over or South of the UK for the remainder of the run.


In Summary tonight all models show variations on a theme of often wet, windy and mild weather over the next few weeks with little point in going into model specifics. The constant between the models is that there are no signs of anything specifically cold or long lastingly settled in the foreseeable future.


Transcript taken from:-http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


Martin G
Kilmersdon Radstock Bath Somerset



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cowman
14 October 2013 20:03:54
Thanks martin.
Matty H
14 October 2013 20:09:17
Thanks Martin. Mild and unsettled does sum it up for the foreseeable. 👍
Gooner
14 October 2013 20:16:01

Thanks Martin. Mild and unsettled does sum it up for the foreseeable. ThumpUp

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Agreed, after Saturday who knows


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Matty H
14 October 2013 20:36:58

Thanks Martin. Mild and unsettled does sum it up for the foreseeable. ThumpUp

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Agreed, after Saturday who knows

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



Cross model agreement of a theme of mild and unsettled well beyond that. Could change of course, but barely worth commenting on.
GIBBY
15 October 2013 07:26:00

Good morning. Here is the morning report on the midnight outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Tuesday October 15th 2013.


Today sees all models introducing a sustained spell of unsettled and Atlantic based weather beginning tomorrow. Low pressure settles over the Atlantic and steers a front NE across the UK tomorrow before it becomes slow moving over Northern Scotland. Behind the front warmer air moves in and then begins a period of many days of temperatures on the mild side of average with spells of rain, wind and showers with a few almost springlike sunny intervals in between the rain bands. Northernmost areas will see somewhat less mild weather but even here it will never be desperately cold though with some persistent rain at times in a cool ESE wind.


GFS then shows the entire remainder of the run with broad and strong SW airflows blowing across large parts of the UK, sometimes strong with gales in exposed places. All this will be in association with Low pressure crossing the Atlantic and passing NW Scotland at times.There would be spells of rain at times too with just briefer drier and brighter spells in between. The North could feel a little fresher at times as cold fronts pass through.


UKMO has Low pressure off NW Ireland at the start of next week with a fresh to strong SW flow across the UK with spells of rain and showers for all in temperatures on the mild side of average.


GEM in particular shows the potential for a stormy spell early next week as a viscious Low moves up from the SW close to central Britain. To it's North colder and wet weather would feature while to the South the strongest winds and potential severe gales would take place along with heavy rain albeit under very mild conditions here.


NAVGEM holds Low pressure just to the West of Ireland early next week throwing frequent troughs NE across the UK with rain at times followed by showers. It shows a generally mild picture for all.


ECM shows wet and windy weather early next week as a very deep Low passes close to the North of the UK. After a mild period colder weather would engage the circulation on the rear side of this Low, shown to affect the North after the middle of next week with showers turning wintry here over the hills. The South would remain rather milder with rain at times from a slow moving trough across Southern England.


The GFS Ensembles continue to show a sustained spell of wet and windy weather across the UK over the next few weeks. Temperatures look like staying on the mild side of average throughout the entirety of the output both North and South with just a handful of cooler options in the North later on. Some drier, pleasant and still mild weather looks like occurring at times too. It also looks like becoming quite windy at times too with a dominance from a SW point.


The Jet Stream looks like maintaining a new position across the Atlantic towards the UK for some considerable period to come.


In Summary today the trend remains for the UK to be staring down the barrel of a sustained spell of mild SW winds with rain at times. The North could be a little chillier at times but there is little sign of any chance of anything significantly cold affecting any of the UK for the next few weeks. Despite the rain being a common feature for most areas some brighter periods will be likely to occur at times too when in shelter it could still feel quite warm. Winds could be strong at times almost anywhere but with the majority of the time seeing the UK bathed in a SW wind direction this will emphasise the reasons why the UK is likely to remain mild.


Transcript taken from:-http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


Martin G
Kilmersdon Radstock Bath Somerset



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ARTzeman
15 October 2013 07:29:45

Thank You Martin..


ECM is showing the way...






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Others just get wet.
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nsrobins
15 October 2013 09:23:03

Despite the 'local' flow being predominantly from the SW over the next 10 days, the bigger picture remains interesting with high lat blocking and a continued feed of cold air into the far N of Europe and Eurasia.


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
Charmhills
15 October 2013 09:40:25


Despite the 'local' flow being predominantly from the SW over the next 10 days, the bigger picture remains interesting with high lat blocking and a continued feed of cold air into the far N of Europe and Eurasia.


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


And of course it will only get colder and colder up there to.


Loughborough, EM.

Knowledge is power, ignorance is weakness.

Duane.
doctormog
15 October 2013 10:01:44
On the subject of things "up north", the ECM day 10 ensemble mean data show the picture very well.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif 

It does seem colder/wintrier in the Arctic this year compared with recent years (for this time of year). Perhaps it is just my perception or perhaps recent years have just been more "abnormal" at this time of year?
Osprey
15 October 2013 10:34:53

The only time of the year I'm glad to see flies.... It must be warming up for us down here


Nobody likes a smartass, especially another smartass...
If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
Gavin P
15 October 2013 10:49:26

Hi all,


Here's today's video update;


Very Wet And Mild Next Week To Ten Day's


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


Proper "At least it will be mild" weather.


Pattern seems a little bit like October 2005 to me.... We know what happened in November 2005.


Rural West Northants 120m asl
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CornishBlizzard
15 October 2013 11:38:04


Hi all,


Here's today's video update;


Very Wet And Mild Next Week To Ten Day's


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


Proper "At least it will be mild" weather.


Pattern seems a little bit like October 2005 to me.... We know what happened in November 2005.


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


 


Yes. Cornwall was cut off from the rest of the UK on the 25th.


Andrew

Retron
15 October 2013 15:52:01


Pattern seems a little bit like October 2005 to me.... We know what happened in November 2005.


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Yup, it chucked it down with rain down here. Good job pattern-matching isn't an exact art!


Leysdown, north Kent
Quantum
15 October 2013 16:47:10

Very impressive blocking still very much about. The atlantic is playing spolier a bit more on this run, but I still think this is still very interesting for the end of the month. Awaiting ECM with anticipation. 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Polar Low
15 October 2013 17:20:15

quite a poor outlook for cold fans imo im sad to say at the mo.but its not even winter yet


 


not good always on the mild side of the trough and heights  in europe linger on even thou as Q says quite decent blocking to our n and n/w both agree on the above comment


http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~fxg1/ECMWF_0z/hgtcomp.html


most of ecm postage stamps agree on a s/westly of sorts at t144


http://www.ecmwf.int/samples/d/inspect/catalog/samplers/banner/mean_sea_level_pressure_and_temperature_at_850hpa!144!pop!od!enfo!enplot!2013101500!!/


with the added element of the vortex trying to get to grenny in long term ahh well it can wait its only october plenty of rain at times thou. as long as some of that snow cover to our n/e can hang on the problem I have with that is it can become a easy come easy go situation at this time of year.


 

Quantum
15 October 2013 17:57:37

NAVGEM 12z the first model to open the floodgates by 180h


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/navgem/runs/2013101512/navgemnh-0-180.png?15-18


 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
15 October 2013 18:44:33

Well the ECM has bucked the trend and gone full atlantic. Wouldn't be suprised if the ECM turns out to be right either, with the classic autminal icelandic low. 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gooner
15 October 2013 18:46:30


NAVGEM 12z the first model to open the floodgates by 180h


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/navgem/runs/2013101512/navgemnh-0-180.png?15-18


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/navgem/runs/2013101512/navgemnh-0-180.png?15-18


Floodgates from the West though


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
15 October 2013 18:48:04


quite a poor outlook for cold fans imo im sad to say at the mo.but its not even winter yet


 


not good always on the mild side of the trough and heights  in europe linger on even thou as Q says quite decent blocking to our n and n/w both agree on the above comment


http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~fxg1/ECMWF_0z/hgtcomp.html


most of ecm postage stamps agree on a s/westly of sorts at t144


http://www.ecmwf.int/samples/d/inspect/catalog/samplers/banner/mean_sea_level_pressure_and_temperature_at_850hpa!144!pop!od!enfo!enplot!2013101500!!/


with the added element of the vortex trying to get to grenny in long term ahh well it can wait its only october plenty of rain at times thou. as long as some of that snow cover to our n/e can hang on the problem I have with that is it can become a easy come easy go situation at this time of year.


 


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


I wouldn't expect anything less really...............would you. 15th October ....any clued up cold weather freak would know it is far too early


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gandalf The White
15 October 2013 18:52:19

Well the ECM has bucked the trend and gone full atlantic. Wouldn't be suprised if the ECM turns out to be right either, with the classic autminal icelandic low. 

Originally Posted by: Quantum 



ECM has been particularly inconsistent beyond Day 5 for quite a few runs. It wouldn't surprise me to see a different evolution beyond Day 6-7, or at least some variation on the current theme.

Nonetheless, some classic autumnal weather would be fine, ie a changeable period with some windy wet periods and the occasional brighter chillier day. Happy to wait another 4-6 weeks for some noticeably colder stuff.
Location: South Cambridgeshire
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