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Saint Snow
26 October 2013 09:29:13


For your area, you mean?


I'm not sure it ever was going to hit the NW. 


For the S, though, this hardly looks like a damp squib (or, indeed, a damp squid  )... it looks pretty worrying. 


Originally Posted by: NickR 


 


No, I was talking about the south. The way this had been hyped, you'd have thought it was going to be 1987'esque. It's going to fall far short of that.



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Ulric
26 October 2013 09:29:24


For the S, though, this hardly looks like a damp squib (or, indeed, a damp squid  )... it looks pretty worrying. 


Originally Posted by: NickR 


Nothing wrong with damp squid. All you need is tempura batter and a hot wok.


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NickR
26 October 2013 09:30:53



For your area, you mean?


I'm not sure it ever was going to hit the NW. 


For the S, though, this hardly looks like a damp squib (or, indeed, a damp squid  )... it looks pretty worrying. 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


No, I was talking about the south. The way this had been hyped, you'd have thought it was going to be 1987'esque. It's going to fall far short of that.


Originally Posted by: NickR 


Well the NAE just out does suggest a more southerly track and the system is not as low, so there is hope.


That said, the other models are still forecasting 80-90mph gusts - no 1987, but that doesn't mean it won't be damaging.


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Jonesy
26 October 2013 09:37:12

I put my head out the window going down the motorway just to get an idea of what it will feel like Monday:-


Conclusion, pretty much like this



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Matty H
26 October 2013 09:37:37

This mornings updates to the met's warnings will be interesting

Originally Posted by: micahel37 



I'm wondering if the amber area may be reduced in size
doctormog
26 October 2013 09:46:02

This mornings updates to the met's warnings will be interesting

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



I'm wondering if the amber area may be reduced in size

Originally Posted by: micahel37 



Possibly not as I think there is still uncertainty in the track (if the 06z output is anything to go by). The NAE seems to have the system a little further south, the GFS seems to have it a little further north, than the previous run.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn541.png 
Gusty
26 October 2013 09:47:16


I put my head out the window going down the motorway just to get an idea of what it will feel like Monday:-


Conclusion, pretty much like this



Originally Posted by: Jonesy 



Nice one Jonesy ! 


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Jonesy
26 October 2013 09:51:28


 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 



Nice one Jonesy ! 



HA Steve, been enjoying your views on this weather system 🙂 I did try replying to your message a while back but your inbox was full..AGAIN


 


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Gooner
26 October 2013 09:56:19

[quote=micahel37;543348]This mornings updates to the met's warnings will be interesting

Originally Posted by: doctormog 



I'm wondering if the amber area may be reduced in size

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



Possibly not as I think there is still uncertainty in the track (if the 06z output is anything to go by). The NAE seems to have the system a little further south, the GFS seems to have it a little further north, than the previous run.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn541.png[/quote]


 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rmgfs511.gif .....moves across N Wales


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rmgfs541.gif


A rough day for many if verified


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Arcus
26 October 2013 09:57:32
All the forecasts I have caught on the Beeb this morning have the expected track of the centre of the low to be Bristol Channel NE toward the Humber. The presenters have all mentioned the uncertainty, but all have mentioned that the track may be adjusted north, none so far have mentioned an adjustment south.

As for the Amber area being reduced - I would expect that to happen anyway as we near the time of the event itself. I would not, however, be surprised to see a Red area being introduced as well.
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Gandalf The White
26 October 2013 09:59:09

This mornings updates to the met's warnings will be interesting

Originally Posted by: doctormog 



I'm wondering if the amber area may be reduced in size

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



Possibly not as I think there is still uncertainty in the track (if the 06z output is anything to go by). The NAE seems to have the system a little further south, the GFS seems to have it a little further north, than the previous run.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn541.png

Originally Posted by: micahel37 


Interestingly there's a marked difference between the UKMO 00z and the NAE 06z.  The NAE has an elongated low pressure about 50-100 miles further south, which pushes the worst of the wind into the Channel and northern France.


NAE 06z T+42:


http://expert-images.weatheronline.co.uk/daten/proficharts/en/nae/2013/10/26/basis06/ukuk/pslv/13102800_2606.gif 


UKMO 00z T+48:


http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/run/U48-21.GIF?26-07 


Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Gusty
26 October 2013 10:00:43



 


Originally Posted by: Jonesy 



Nice one Jonesy ! 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


HA Steve, been enjoying your views on this weather system 🙂 I did try replying to your message a while back but your inbox was full..AGAIN


 



No changes there then.  I shall empty it today.


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Polar Low
26 October 2013 10:13:00

issued 0600 Estoex


http://www.estofex.org/cgi-bin/polygon/showforecast.cgi?text=yes&fcstfile=2013102706_201310252339_1_stormforecast.xml


 


... British Isles and surroundings ...
The frontal system of the next pronounced low-pressure system crosses the British Isles. A strongly sheared and helical flow is forecast to develop in a narrow belt ahead of the cold front due to a concentrated Southwesterly low-level jet (25-30 m/s at 850 hPa). With marginally unstable profiles and strong forcing, a shallow convective line is expected to cross Ireland around noon and most of the UK by midnight. Severe wind gusts are possible, and a few tornadoes are not ruled out in the case that more discrete convection can crystallize along segments of the line. After a few hours of postfrontal subsidence, a new round of deeper and more vigorous convection will move onshore overnight with the next vorticity lobes. Deep-layer shear will then decrease due to a more equalized flow through the depth of the troposphere, but with a few hundred J/kg of CAPE over the relatively warm sea and a further tightening gradient at low levels, even ill-organized storms will be capable of producing severe wind gusts. Limited area models agree on the development of a comma over the Celtic Sea overnight, though the solutions are highly diverging with respect to its timing, intensity and path. Hence it was decided to stay with a high-end level 1, though there is a possibility of widespread severe wind gusts in Ireland, Wales and Cornwall very late in the forecast period, when the 850 hPa flow starts to exceed 30 m/s!

Gandalf The White
26 October 2013 10:15:50


issued 0600 Estoex


http://www.estofex.org/cgi-bin/polygon/showforecast.cgi?text=yes&fcstfile=2013102706_201310252339_1_stormforecast.xml


 


... British Isles and surroundings ...
The frontal system of the next pronounced low-pressure system crosses the British Isles. A strongly sheared and helical flow is forecast to develop in a narrow belt ahead of the cold front due to a concentrated Southwesterly low-level jet (25-30 m/s at 850 hPa). With marginally unstable profiles and strong forcing, a shallow convective line is expected to cross Ireland around noon and most of the UK by midnight. Severe wind gusts are possible, and a few tornadoes are not ruled out in the case that more discrete convection can crystallize along segments of the line. After a few hours of postfrontal subsidence, a new round of deeper and more vigorous convection will move onshore overnight with the next vorticity lobes. Deep-layer shear will then decrease due to a more equalized flow through the depth of the troposphere, but with a few hundred J/kg of CAPE over the relatively warm sea and a further tightening gradient at low levels, even ill-organized storms will be capable of producing severe wind gusts. Limited area models agree on the development of a comma over the Celtic Sea overnight, though the solutions are highly diverging with respect to its timing, intensity and path. Hence it was decided to stay with a high-end level 1, though there is a possibility of widespread severe wind gusts in Ireland, Wales and Cornwall very late in the forecast period, when the 850 hPa flow starts to exceed 30 m/s!


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


Thanks for posting that.  Of course this refers to the active frontal system moving through today/tonight but does show how turbulent the weather pattern is at the moment.


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130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Jonesy
26 October 2013 10:23:08

Does anyone have the t48 charts from the great storm of 1987 please. I was bit too young to remember, was anything similiar to how the charts look for Monday?


I just wonder also why/how Michael Fish was pretty sure there was not going to be a Hurricane in 87 etc


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schmee
26 October 2013 10:27:01


I put my head out the window going down the motorway just to get an idea of what it will feel like Monday:-


Conclusion, pretty much like this



Originally Posted by: Gusty 



Nice one Jonesy ! 

Originally Posted by: Jonesy 


I like . :0) lol.

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radiohead
26 October 2013 10:34:26

NWS forecast chart from this morning for 0Z Monday showing the low at 974mb and hurricane force winds at sea.


http://www.opc.ncep.noaa.gov/shtml/A_48hrbw.gif 

doctormog
26 October 2013 10:41:39
I get the impression from the output over the last few days that Monday's storm may not be the only one that will bring very windy conditions to the UK in the next few weeks we could be in the firing line for a few more big storms.
Polar Low
26 October 2013 10:42:58

 nae chart is much better for the south think imo most would miss the worst gth


 


 


This mornings updates to the met's warnings will be interesting

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 



I'm wondering if the amber area may be reduced in size

Originally Posted by: doctormog 



Possibly not as I think there is still uncertainty in the track (if the 06z output is anything to go by). The NAE seems to have the system a little further south, the GFS seems to have it a little further north, than the previous run.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn541.png

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Interestingly there's a marked difference between the UKMO 00z and the NAE 06z.  The NAE has an elongated low pressure about 50-100 miles further south, which pushes the worst of the wind into the Channel and northern France.


NAE 06z T+42:


http://expert-images.weatheronline.co.uk/daten/proficharts/en/nae/2013/10/26/basis06/ukuk/pslv/13102800_2606.gif 


UKMO 00z T+48:


http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/run/U48-21.GIF?26-07 


Originally Posted by: micahel37 

Charmhills
26 October 2013 10:43:32

It's not a storm, it's a "Killer, Megastorm!"

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/347103/Killer-Megastorm-to-batter-Britain-on-Monday-Met-Office-EXTENDS-weather-warning

RollEyes

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


I'm looking forwards to the 100mph Killer!


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moomin75
26 October 2013 10:44:44

I get the impression from the output over the last few days that Monday's storm may not be the only one that will bring very windy conditions to the UK in the next few weeks we could be in the firing line for a few more big storms.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Absolutely. I've just posted in the Model thread a very similar looking system for next weekend which has a slightly further north track, but very similar in synoptics to what is coming this weekend.


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26 October 2013 10:50:54


Does anyone have the t48 charts from the great storm of 1987 please. I was bit too young to remember, was anything similiar to how the charts look for Monday?


I just wonder also why/how Michael Fish was pretty sure there was not going to be a Hurricane in 87 etc


Originally Posted by: Jonesy 



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/uk-weather-michael-fish-would-1377118


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doctormog
26 October 2013 10:52:55

 nae chart is much better for the south think imo most would miss the worst gth


 


 


This mornings updates to the met's warnings will be interesting

Originally Posted by: Polar Low 



I'm wondering if the amber area may be reduced in size

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 



Possibly not as I think there is still uncertainty in the track (if the 06z output is anything to go by). The NAE seems to have the system a little further south, the GFS seems to have it a little further north, than the previous run.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn541.png

Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Interestingly there's a marked difference between the UKMO 00z and the NAE 06z.  The NAE has an elongated low pressure about 50-100 miles further south, which pushes the worst of the wind into the Channel and northern France.


NAE 06z T+42:


http://expert-images.weatheronline.co.uk/daten/proficharts/en/nae/2013/10/26/basis06/ukuk/pslv/13102800_2606.gif 


UKMO 00z T+48:


http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/run/U48-21.GIF?26-07 


Originally Posted by: Matty H 

Originally Posted by: micahel37 



Apparently the Met Office are not placing too much confidence in the NAE output for the track of the storm and see the ECM track as a more likely option. This will probably be reflected in the updated warnings in a bit.

BTW the mean data charts are next to useful when looking for exact details for a storm track as they will smooth out any specifics and remove detail as a result. All it takes for 20% of the options to show a different scenario and the mean chart will show a much more muted version of the storm.
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