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Osprey
Monday, October 28, 2013 9:40:53 AM

Sadly the BBC is reporting that a 17 year old girl in Kent has died due to a falling tree.

Originally Posted by: Arcus 


Oh dear...


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Weathermac
Monday, October 28, 2013 9:41:25 AM


The midlands seems to miss the worst of the gales as Lows always seem to track through the centre of England . The last really bad gale to hit here was back in 1990 as we even missed the Great 1987 storm by a whisker so we have had very little tree loss over recent years thankfully.

Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


What about the storm of Autumn 2000 that crossed The Midlands, 80mm's of rain and gales of upto 70mph!


The flooding around Loughborough was awful with Brooks bursting their banks as well as river outside the town.


Originally Posted by: Weathermac 


I was refering to the Wind of those events and the Maximum gust from that 2000 storm was 59mph Duanne the Burns day storm of 1990 winds gusted over 60mph .

NickR
Monday, October 28, 2013 9:41:44 AM

Looks like my storm in a teacup warning was spot on, Past history tell.s us that the trajectory of the storm would be further south than what was being modelled.

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 

SC. I'd already warned once about such ridiculous oneupmanship. Apart from the fact that this has not been as "minor" as you seem to be making out. Please refrain from this sort of post.

Originally Posted by: NickR 

It's not meant to be anything other than an observational comment, the trajectory of the storm forecasted looked all wrong IMO thus the intensity also would be wrong.

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 


See ROb's post above. The problem is it wasn't much further S and wasn't a "storm in a teacup". In other words, your post was merely an attempt at oneupmanship. There's no place for that on here, thank you.


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nsrobins
Monday, October 28, 2013 9:42:50 AM

Sadly the BBC is reporting that a 17 year old girl in Kent has died due to a falling tree.

Originally Posted by: Arcus 


That is very sad news, Ben. I've already summarised my thoughts, but I am convinced that whatever slant the 'teacup' brigade attempt to put on the storm many lives have been potentially saved by the advanced warning system and travel advice.

The analysis will no doubt go on, and I am especially interested in what looks like a focussed swathe of max gusts from Hampshire to Essex between 5am and 7am. Mechanisms for this are many and varied but an SJ type feature can't be ruled out.


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Jonesy
Monday, October 28, 2013 9:44:16 AM

Anyone who calls this a non event is clearly IMBY Blinkered. Fair few fences down and trees around here already. Have seen reports elsewhere and same thing, tree fallen on bus in North London. Media was right to highlight this imo & Met Office bang on for here.

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 

I'm certainly not calling it from an IMBY perspective, yes it was right for the MetO to issue warnings but this was nothing more than the usual Autumn storm, granted they have been in short supply over the last five years. But this was nothing out of the ordinary.

Originally Posted by: Jonesy 


Really? reports of over 200 trees down in Kent and Sussex, reports of 17yr old killed now also sadly. I'd say it's a little more than usual Autumn Storm for these areas anyway.


 


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Solar Cycles
Monday, October 28, 2013 9:45:41 AM

Looks like my storm in a teacup warning was spot on, Past history tell.s us that the trajectory of the storm would be further south than what was being modelled.

Originally Posted by: NickR 

SC. I'd already warned once about such ridiculous oneupmanship. Apart from the fact that this has not been as "minor" as you seem to be making out. Please refrain from this sort of post.

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 

It's not meant to be anything other than an observational comment, the trajectory of the storm forecasted looked all wrong IMO thus the intensity also would be wrong.

Originally Posted by: NickR 


See ROb's post above. The problem is it wasn't much further S and wasn't a "storm in a teacup". In other words, your post was merely an attempt at oneupmanship. There's no place for that on there, thank you.

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 

The original path of the storm was expected to move more NE and deepen, this wasn't the case but yes it was an Autumn storm and yes it caused damage as storms do but this was never going to be an 87 type event.

AlvinMeister
Monday, October 28, 2013 9:48:09 AM

How accurate was the rain forecast? Looking at the radar there seemed to be a few heavy bursts, but it didn't seem as intense as I was expecting.

NickR
Monday, October 28, 2013 9:48:28 AM

Looks like my storm in a teacup warning was spot on, Past history tell.s us that the trajectory of the storm would be further south than what was being modelled.

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 

SC. I'd already warned once about such ridiculous oneupmanship. Apart from the fact that this has not been as "minor" as you seem to be making out. Please refrain from this sort of post.

Originally Posted by: NickR 

It's not meant to be anything other than an observational comment, the trajectory of the storm forecasted looked all wrong IMO thus the intensity also would be wrong.

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 

See ROb's post above. The problem is it wasn't much further S and wasn't a "storm in a teacup". In other words, your post was merely an attempt at oneupmanship. There's no place for that on there, thank you.

Originally Posted by: NickR 

The original path of the storm was expected to move more NE and deepen, this wasn't the case but yes it was an Autumn storm and yes it caused damage as storms do but this was never going to be an 87 type event.

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 


No one on here or outside of the Express ever claimed it would be an '87. Between "normal autum storm" and '87' there is a LOT of ground.


SC - any more, please PM me. Your posts about this being a normal storm do not bear up to scrutiny and are now bordering on being trolling. Any more posts in here will be deleted.


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Charmhills
Monday, October 28, 2013 9:49:14 AM



The midlands seems to miss the worst of the gales as Lows always seem to track through the centre of England . The last really bad gale to hit here was back in 1990 as we even missed the Great 1987 storm by a whisker so we have had very little tree loss over recent years thankfully.

Originally Posted by: Weathermac 


What about the storm of Autumn 2000 that crossed The Midlands, 80mm's of rain and gales of upto 70mph!


The flooding around Loughborough was awful with Brooks bursting their banks as well as river outside the town.


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


I was refering to the Wind of those events and the Maximum gust from that 2000 storm was 59mph Duane the Burns day storm of 1990 winds gusted over 60mph .


Originally Posted by: Weathermac 


Yes I know you were, but the 2000 storm system was a whole lot worse with gusts on Northwestley gales reaching 70mph across the East Midlands.


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KevBrads1
Monday, October 28, 2013 9:50:29 AM
A boy swept out to sea off Newhaven and is missing and Sky News showed an interview of swimmers taking a dip in the sea off Brighton. Am I being too sensitive? Am I overreacting?
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Scooter
Monday, October 28, 2013 9:51:16 AM



We have a few trees down around here, not loads.


No power though! Went off about 5am, which meant a freezing cold shower this morning in pitch black! Awesome!!


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


Here in our business park in Hook, we have power, and there's no sign of it having been cut. Obviously just part of the village is affected.


Originally Posted by: Scooter 


The part of Hook I live in and part of Hartley Wintney were down. Update at 11am as to when it'll be back on.

Jonesy
Monday, October 28, 2013 9:55:07 AM

Hearing a man has died in Watford also after tree falls onto Car.


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beaufort
Monday, October 28, 2013 10:09:03 AM

I think what has been most noticeable during this period has been the longevity, the wind was gusting to over 50 Kts yesterday morning and 24 hours later it is still gusting over 40 Kts and the average is up in the high 20Kts-30Kts range. This borne out by the current TAF


EGJB 280756Z 2809/2818 25030G44KT 9999 SCT015 TEMPO 2809/2818 5000 SHRA BKN012CB=


I've just got back from a walk along the beach below the house and the sea is looking very rough with huge swells crashing ashore.

Whether Idle
Monday, October 28, 2013 10:22:52 AM


Sadly the BBC is reporting that a 17 year old girl in Kent has died due to a falling tree.

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


That is very sad news, Ben. I've already summarised my thoughts, but I am convinced that whatever slant the 'teacup' brigade attempt to put on the storm many lives have been potentially saved by the advanced warning system and travel advice.

The analysis will no doubt go on, and I am especially interested in what looks like a focussed swathe of max gusts from Hampshire to Essex between 5am and 7am. Mechanisms for this are many and varied but an SJ type feature can't be ruled out.


Originally Posted by: Arcus 


Yup.  Thats a tragedy that girl getting hit.  Would have been more of these events if the media had not publicised the warnings.


If media hype saves lives then long live media hype. 


Personally I make up my own mind, but for non weather-geeks the media is useful on these occasions.


 


Well done to all the teams out there keeping the infrastructure working despite some horrific gusts.


WI


 


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
marcus72
Monday, October 28, 2013 10:24:45 AM

For anyone interested in the period/pattern of maximum speeds, this is a link to a weather station in the Solent, just off the entrance to Chichester harbour on the south coast. It shows a sustained speed of 40 knots from midnight - 4am then an increase with a maximum gust of around 70 knots at approx 5.30am


http://chimet.co.uk/%28S%280iatvz45ovv0bne5dbjvvo45%29%29/wind.aspx


Langstone, SE Hampshire
Ally Pally Snowman
Monday, October 28, 2013 10:26:28 AM

Many trees down in London this morning probably the worst storm that ive seen since 2000 maybe even 1990.


Amazing pictures of a tree down in Hounslow that caused a gas explosion.


 


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24699748


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Sevendust
Monday, October 28, 2013 10:29:52 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24699748


Second death from a falling tree sadly


Can't fault the chain saw team who were out this morning trying to keep the roads open


Cheryl, with the aid of daylight, can see a big tree that has been uprooted at the school behind our house along with two other substantial branches


She took a diversion to work to avoid a fallen tree this morning and is assisting in dealing with another one at her customers property


Just a routine day then

johnr
Monday, October 28, 2013 10:30:10 AM


For anyone interested in the period/pattern of maximum speeds, this is a link to a weather station in the Solent, just off the entrance to Chichester harbour on the south coast. It shows a sustained speed of 40 knots from midnight - 4am then an encrease with a maximum gust of around 70 knots at approx 5.30am


http://chimet.co.uk/%28S%280iatvz45ovv0bne5dbjvvo45%29%29/wind.aspx


Originally Posted by: marcus72 


For us (in Mid Suffolk) it picked up to a peak for an hour from 7.30am to 8.30am. 77mph max gust recorded here, which ties in nicely with the 76mph recorded at Wattisham, a few miles away, around the same time.


When my Meteohub has finished recomputing data after a power cut, I'll post a wind speed graph.


John


Mickfield, Mid Suffolk
Saint Snow
Monday, October 28, 2013 10:35:12 AM


Looks like my storm in a teacup warning was spot on, Past history tell.s us that the trajectory of the storm would be further south than what was being modelled.

Originally Posted by: NickR 

SC. I'd already warned once about such ridiculous oneupmanship. Apart from the fact that this has not been as "minor" as you seem to be making out. Please refrain from this sort of post.

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 

It's not meant to be anything other than an observational comment, the trajectory of the storm forecasted looked all wrong IMO thus the intensity also would be wrong.

Originally Posted by: NickR 

See ROb's post above. The problem is it wasn't much further S and wasn't a "storm in a teacup". In other words, your post was merely an attempt at oneupmanship. There's no place for that on there, thank you.

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 

The original path of the storm was expected to move more NE and deepen, this wasn't the case but yes it was an Autumn storm and yes it caused damage as storms do but this was never going to be an 87 type event.

Originally Posted by: NickR 


No one on here or outside of the Express ever claimed it would be an '87. Between "normal autum storm" and '87' there is a LOT of ground.


SC - any more, please PM me. Your posts about this being a normal storm do not bear up to scrutiny and are now bordering on being trolling. Any more posts in here will be deleted.


Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 


 


I'm not going to comment on SC's possible motives and certainly don't want to rubbish the effects of this storm - which, like with all storms, are significant for those who are affected - but I would say that there should definitely be a place to discuss the approach by the media, before during and afterwards.


This isn't in any way a criticism of forecasters, who were factual & sensible (the Met Office ones at least), nor a dig at anyone on here, but the way the media have portrayed this has been laughable. Talk of the storm 'making landfall'; the army of reporters dotted about the south wearing Arctic expedition clothing and talking in overly dramatic and grave voices; FFS, we even gave the storm a name!!!


I personally got the impression that the various media outlets were just itching for the storm to be like a hurricane smashing into a Gulf state.


It's just pure sensationalism.


 



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Jim_AFCB
Monday, October 28, 2013 10:35:13 AM

It may not be that windy, but thanks to complete overkill by the press etc, there are virtually no trains running in the SE of England. We heard them announcing this at 5pm last night ! So trains or replacement bus services before 9am today.

IMO a complete over reaction by the rail companies. Millions commute into London every day including my husband, but nobody can go anywhere this morning. Complete lockdown for SE people who have to try and get to work.

Originally Posted by: DeeDee 


 


Au contraire, I think it was a good call by the rail companies.


With the number of trees down on railway lines, they would not have been able to run a normal service anyway, leading to passengers stranded on trains or at railway stations. It is more than possible that falling trees could have landed on moving trains in more Eastern parts, and I don't think I need to explain the possible consequences of that.


Yes, a pain in the arse for those who rely on the train to get to work, but better to plan ahead and manage the situation properly, than to have to manage a crisis.


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mbradshaw
Monday, October 28, 2013 10:37:01 AM

Just chatting to one of our providers based in Kent. Their offices are blacked out right now. Just hope all the contignecy works at the datacentre we use. Two sepeare power lines from different suppliers plus on site diesels. All good so far :-)

JoeShmoe99
Monday, October 28, 2013 10:39:45 AM


This isn't in any way a criticism of forecasters, who were factual & sensible (the Met Office ones at least), nor a dig at anyone on here, but the way the media have portrayed this has been laughable. Talk of the storm 'making landfall'; the army of reporters dotted about the south wearing Arctic expedition clothing and talking in overly dramatic and grave voices; FFS, we even gave the storm a name!!!


I personally got the impression that the various media outlets were just itching for the storm to be like a hurricane smashing into a Gulf state.


It's just pure sensationalism.


 

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


This is it in a nutshell, Sky News this morning was quite frankly laughable

NickR
Monday, October 28, 2013 10:40:52 AM



Looks like my storm in a teacup warning was spot on, Past history tell.s us that the trajectory of the storm would be further south than what was being modelled.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

SC. I'd already warned once about such ridiculous oneupmanship. Apart from the fact that this has not been as "minor" as you seem to be making out. Please refrain from this sort of post.

Originally Posted by: NickR 

It's not meant to be anything other than an observational comment, the trajectory of the storm forecasted looked all wrong IMO thus the intensity also would be wrong.

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 

See ROb's post above. The problem is it wasn't much further S and wasn't a "storm in a teacup". In other words, your post was merely an attempt at oneupmanship. There's no place for that on there, thank you.

Originally Posted by: NickR 

The original path of the storm was expected to move more NE and deepen, this wasn't the case but yes it was an Autumn storm and yes it caused damage as storms do but this was never going to be an 87 type event.

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 


No one on here or outside of the Express ever claimed it would be an '87. Between "normal autum storm" and '87' there is a LOT of ground.


SC - any more, please PM me. Your posts about this being a normal storm do not bear up to scrutiny and are now bordering on being trolling. Any more posts in here will be deleted.


Originally Posted by: NickR 


 


I'm not going to comment on SC's possible motives and certainly don't want to rubbish the effects of this storm - which, like with all storms, are significant for those who are affected - but I would say that there should definitely be a place to discuss the approach by the media, before during and afterwards.


This isn't in any way a criticism of forecasters, who were factual & sensible (the Met Office ones at least), nor a dig at anyone on here, but the way the media have portrayed this has been laughable. Talk of the storm 'making landfall'; the army of reporters dotted about the south wearing Arctic expedition clothing and talking in overly dramatic and grave voices; FFS, we even gave the storm a name!!!


I personally got the impression that the various media outlets were just itching for the storm to be like a hurricane smashing into a Gulf state.


It's just pure sensationalism.


 


Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 


Completely agree.


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Jason H
Monday, October 28, 2013 10:45:45 AM

Got woken about 06:30 this morning by a huge roaring sound. The wind was really gusting at this stage, so  looked out of the window to see my neighbours arieal go for a burton. Looked up into the sky and there was 747 struggling manfully into the gale on approach to Heathrow. I bet that was an entertaining approach and landing. . Bearing in mind I live the other side of London from Heathrow, that couldn't have been comfortable for anybody on board.


Roads are chaos around here. A2 closed into London because of a falling tree. Dartford Bridge however has just re-opened, but quite a few trees down on surrounding roads. A significant autumnal storm, well forecasted by the Met, ridiculously but predictably over-hyped by the press and the lamentable Sky News.


 


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Jonesy
Monday, October 28, 2013 10:46:29 AM

Can someone let iandj know it's safe to come out now


One of our fence panels has come loose, but could of been alot worse, nothing a few nails won't solve.


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