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Matty H
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Sunday, November 17, 2013 9:24:14 AM
A brief spell of temps a bit below average for many. Possibly some snow for favoured areas in the north and on high ground. Typical November weather.

Usual rules apply.
NickR
Sunday, November 17, 2013 9:29:39 AM

A brief spell of temps a bit below average for many. Possibly some snow for favoured areas in the north and on high ground. Typical November weather.

Usual rules apply.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Not exactly the "Sunderland" thread starter, is it?


Nick
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Matty H
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Sunday, November 17, 2013 9:32:55 AM

A brief spell of temps a bit below average for many. Possibly some snow for favoured areas in the north and on high ground. Typical November weather.

Usual rules apply.

Originally Posted by: NickR 


Not exactly the "Sunderland" thread starter, is it?

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



😂
GIBBY
Sunday, November 17, 2013 9:35:55 AM

Good morning. Here is the latest look at the midnight outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Sunday November 17th 2013.


The General Situation. The UK lies in a benign and slack pattern currently with a weak front across Central areas which will reactivate later as a wave runs NE along it. To the North the weather will be clearer and colder with wintry showers flooding into the North and West tonight. Light rain across Central areas will become heavier from the SW through the day and extending back further North while Southern areas stay cloudy and misty but mostly dry. A cold front crosses SE late tonight and tomorrow with a cold and blustery NW flow developing for all up to midweek with showers, increasingly wintry over the North and West but not many reaching the SE. On Wednesday a Low sinks SSE down the North Sea with a spell of rain and hill sleet and snow for a time before a swing of winds to the NE on Thursday maintains cold weather and returns us into a day of sunshine and scattered wintry showers mostly in the East and SE. By the weekend High pressure will lie over the UK having moved down from the NW with dry and fine weather for all areas but with extensive mist, freezing fog and frost problems developing overnight and slow to clear, if at all through the daytimes.


GFS then wobbles the High pressure area around at times taking it slowly to the West of the UK while maintaining a ridge across the UK for some considerable time before it sinks South to allow a strong Atlantic Westerly flow to bring milder and cloudy conditions with rain at times particularly in the North and West to close the run.


UKMO closes it's run with High pressure positioned across the UK with light winds and cold conditions prevailing with widespread night frosts and fog patches but bright and crisp days, the fog chiefly across Northern areas as something of a NE flow will continue to blow across SE Britain preventing the formation of this.


GEM holds a cold Northerly flow across the UK late next week and weekend with wintry showers continuing to affect many Northern and Eastern areas while the West and SW see little of these with bright and cold conditions and frost at night. Then early next week the pattern collapses as Low pressure winds up in the North Atlantic and pushes milder and unsettled weather across all areas with rain at times towards the middle of next week.


NAVGEM today shows a chilly Northerly flow reluctant to leave the East of the UK next weekend with further wintry showers especially near North Sea coasts. Many Southern and western areas would be mostly dry and rather cold with frost at night. This East/West split is then held out to the end of the run.


ECM this morning shows High pressure over Iceland a week from now moving SE with a ridge ahead of it over the UK. The weather would be cold with frost and fog by night becoming more extensive towards the end of the run as the core of the High pressure sits directly over the UK. A light NE flow remains over the far SE keeping the worst of any fog patches away from down here. It will be cold everywhere.


The GFS Ensembles today show that High pressure will generally rule the roost across the UK for the foreseeable future. The eneral trend os to shift it to the NE, unlike the operational solution before then weakening as Atlantic low pressure moves in far out in the outer reaches of the run. Rainfall amounts look like being relatively small for the time of year with most likely towards the North at first and again towards the end of the run.


The Jet Stream shows the flow to the North turning South over the UK through this week before splitting North and South of the UK as a UK based anticyclone looks likely to develop through the latter end of the week, weekend and possibly into the week to follow.


In Summary the weather looks like turning colder for all. Deep cold is not expected though and there will be a lot of dry weather to be found over the UK once a rather unsettled phase of weather through the middle of this coming week disperses. Through this period rain and showers will turn wintry over higher ground but once more this morning no great amounts look likely from any output. Of more importance will be the marked increase in the incidence of frost which will affect all areas from quite early in the coming week. Then once the expected High pressure moves down from the NW freezing fog looks like becoming an additional hazard with the chance of it's failure to clear from notorious fog hollows by day in which instance it will stay very cold. So all in all the last 10 days or so of November offer very seasonal late Autumn weather with a lot of dry weather with overnight frosts and fog, slow to clear at times and the chance of some showers, wintry on hills as a precursor to this through the coming working week.


Transcript taken from:-http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


Martin G
Kilmersdon Radstock Bath Somerset



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doctormog
Sunday, November 17, 2013 9:41:54 AM
Tuesday is still looking rather chilly on the 06z GFS op run

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn482.png 
Whether Idle
Sunday, November 17, 2013 9:49:35 AM

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=168&mode=1&map=0&archive=0


With a chart like this a week away there is much of interest for the casual model watcher to ponder.


and with this from the Met O for the shorter time period:


Cold, windy, with sunshine and increasingly wintry showers on Tuesday, mainly north and west. Wet on Wednesday, some snow on high ground. Further wintry showers Thursday, mainly east. Overnight frosts.


 


this all makes a change from what we have experienced so far this autumn, at least down south.


 




Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Polar Low
Sunday, November 17, 2013 9:51:53 AM
Quantum
Sunday, November 17, 2013 10:11:44 AM

Nothing very inspiring today. The ECM tries to set something interesting up, but ultimately greenland is like a paper barrier against bullets at the moment. Those baffin bay lows are just to active to allow a decent block to setup. GFS, of course, even less inspiring and by the end of high res we basically have a flat jet starting to emerge again with low pressure in its favourite spot. Things could change, but at the moment there is no real reason to believe the end of november/ start of december will be cold (barring faux inversion type cold). 


 


Of course, the best model in the universe begs to differ.....


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
NickR
Sunday, November 17, 2013 10:12:29 AM

But didn't BOM have it nailed on last night?


 


 


 


 



Nick
Durham
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Crepuscular Ray
Sunday, November 17, 2013 10:14:52 AM
Some good model summaries from you guys this morning. Looking forward to seeing a dusting on the hills round here! I love cold sunny frosty weather with valley fog and distant white mountains..I'll be up Blackford Hill and Arthurs Seat regularly in the next week!
Jerry
Edinburgh, in the frost hollow below Blackford Hill
Rob K
Sunday, November 17, 2013 10:17:31 AM
My phone weather app has changed from 3C and snow for Wednesday to 6C and rain, which I think sums up the gradual flattening out of any excitement for low level snow over the past two or three days. High pressure soon dominates.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Quantum
Sunday, November 17, 2013 10:18:13 AM

For those that are too pro for 850s....


 


Bookmark this page, the latest GFS skew Ts. Will be an invaluable resource in coming days.


 


http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-bin/expertcharts?LANG=en&MENU=0000000000&CONT=euro&MODELL=modtemps&MODELLTYP=4&VAR=prec&HH=3&BASE=-&WMO=&ZOOM=0


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Matty H
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Sunday, November 17, 2013 10:21:13 AM

But didn't BOM have it nailed on last night?


 


 


 


 


Originally Posted by: NickR 



😂

A bit of chill and some mist or fog will at least make the Xmas shopping slightly more bearable I suppose. At least it will feel like Xmas.
Polar Low
Sunday, November 17, 2013 10:22:42 AM

Thanks for link Q



For those that are too pro for 850s....


 


Bookmark this page, the latest GFS skew Ts. Will be an invaluable resource in coming days.


 


http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-bin/expertcharts?LANG=en&MENU=0000000000&CONT=euro&MODELL=modtemps&MODELLTYP=4&VAR=prec&HH=3&BASE=-&WMO=&ZOOM=0


Originally Posted by: Quantum 

Arbroath 1320
Sunday, November 17, 2013 10:23:23 AM

Nothing very inspiring today. The ECM tries to set something interesting up, but ultimately greenland is like a paper barrier against bullets at the moment. Those baffin bay lows are just to active to allow a decent block to setup. GFS, of course, even less inspiring and by the end of high res we basically have a flat jet starting to emerge again with low pressure in its favourite spot. Things could change, but at the moment there is no real reason to believe the end of november/ start of december will be cold (barring faux inversion type cold). 


 


Of course, the best model in the universe begs to differ.....

Originally Posted by: Quantum 



Yes, a pretty good summary of this morning's MO. A lot of High pressure around and hints of high latitude blocking but unfortunately little or no energy heading South under the block.

It could all change but the most likely outlook this morning is for high pressure centred around the UK giving us cool days and frosty mornings.
GGTTH
Polar Low
Sunday, November 17, 2013 10:31:00 AM

intresting thou the beast appears on some of those 0z members


run this one


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=5&ech=174&mode=0&carte=1

Gooner
Sunday, November 17, 2013 10:32:03 AM


Nothing very inspiring today. The ECM tries to set something interesting up, but ultimately greenland is like a paper barrier against bullets at the moment. Those baffin bay lows are just to active to allow a decent block to setup. GFS, of course, even less inspiring and by the end of high res we basically have a flat jet starting to emerge again with low pressure in its favourite spot. Things could change, but at the moment there is no real reason to believe the end of november/ start of december will be cold (barring faux inversion type cold). 


 


Of course, the best model in the universe begs to differ.....


Originally Posted by: Arbroath 1320 



Yes, a pretty good summary of this morning's MO. A lot of High pressure around and hints of high latitude blocking but unfortunately little or no energy heading South under the block.

It could all change but the most likely outlook this morning is for high pressure centred around the UK giving us cool days and frosty mornings.

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


That's fine , better than SWly rubbish, be much more seasonl at least


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
Sunday, November 17, 2013 10:47:15 AM

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2013111706/gfsnh-0-384.png?6


ends with HP still in charge


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


The Beast from the East
Sunday, November 17, 2013 10:50:02 AM

Quantam, your favourite model is still keeping the faith. ECM not too far away. Lets see what the 12zs bring.


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Ally Pally Snowman
Sunday, November 17, 2013 11:34:15 AM

Some pessimism around this morning but the latest ECM is a great run and with Means like the one below we should be very optimistic about a prolonged cold spell and with a bit of luck some snow.


 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2161.html


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
roger63
Sunday, November 17, 2013 11:46:17 AM


Some pessimism around this morning but the latest ECM is a great run and with Means like the one below we should be very optimistic about a prolonged cold spell and with a bit of luck some snow.


 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2161.html


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/topkarten/fsreaeur.html


Gradually GFS has shifted from HP over Scaninavia to asrth northerly balst followed by HP taking up residence close to or over the UK- less cold option.


 Short northerly blasts in mid November are not unusual.The link above goes to archives for mid November 1962 which went the same way(choice of November 1962 JFF!)

Charmhills
Sunday, November 17, 2013 11:56:05 AM

ECM fi is bone chilly in terms of low max and hard overnight frosts.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1922.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2162.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2402.gif



Apart from that nothing special just seasonal for late Autumn.


Loughborough, EM.

Knowledge is power, ignorance is weakness.

Duane.
Ally Pally Snowman
Sunday, November 17, 2013 11:58:00 AM



Some pessimism around this morning but the latest ECM is a great run and with Means like the one below we should be very optimistic about a prolonged cold spell and with a bit of luck some snow.


 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2161.html


 


Originally Posted by: roger63 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/topkarten/fsreaeur.html


Gradually GFS has shifted from HP over Scaninavia to asrth northerly balst followed by HP taking up residence close to or over the UK- less cold option.


 Short northerly blasts in mid November are not unusual.The link above goes to archives for mid November 1962 which went the same way(choice of November 1962 JFF!)


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


I would go with ECM over GFS though almost all of the time. GFS normally plays catch up to ECM.


 


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Ally Pally Snowman
Sunday, November 17, 2013 12:09:00 PM

Some of us were worried that Europe was still to warm for a proper cold spell to develop but look how cold it gets on the latest ECM. It really wouldnt take much for the UK to get a properly cold spell (-10uppers) from an easterly or north easterly with the current synoptics.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm242.html


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2402.html


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
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