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llamedos
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Thursday, November 28, 2013 7:11:25 AM

A new thread to take us through to December.........


"Life with the Lions"

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doctormog
Thursday, November 28, 2013 7:13:52 AM

Today's game - "Spot the Outlier"!

http://www.meteociel.fr/cartes_obs/gens_display.php?ext=1&x=306&y=141&ville=Londres 
http://www.meteociel.fr/cartes_obs/gens_display.php?x=306&y=141&run=0&ville=Londres&runpara=0&type=3&ext=1 

If the op were to verify then we'd have a pretty decent (and doubtless snowy) cold spell. That's a mighty big "if" though and I wouldn't exactly stake my life on it being correct.

Originally Posted by: Retron 



There may not be much support from the GFS ensembles but the ECM 00z is not dissimilar (albeit briefer)
DEW
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Thursday, November 28, 2013 7:32:57 AM

S9me computer thinks it will be cold ... below zero average for central UK 7-14 Dec


http://www.wxmaps.org/pix/temp4.html


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jondg14
Thursday, November 28, 2013 7:34:51 AM

Today's game - "Spot the Outlier"!

http://www.meteociel.fr/cartes_obs/gens_display.php?ext=1&x=306&y=141&ville=Londres 
http://www.meteociel.fr/cartes_obs/gens_display.php?x=306&y=141&run=0&ville=Londres&runpara=0&type=3&ext=1 

If the op were to verify then we'd have a pretty decent (and doubtless snowy) cold spell. That's a mighty big "if" though and I wouldn't exactly stake my life on it being correct.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 



There may not be much support from the GFS ensembles but the ECM 00z is not dissimilar (albeit briefer)

Originally Posted by: Retron 



A massive outlier yet again! Either it's coincidence or the ensemble runs will gradually be dragged towards this kind of solution. It is always interesting to see where the GFS op sits in the ECM ens...

It's still looking like a cold snap rather than a cold spell but it could easily be extended. Even if it is just a cold snap it's looking like a potent one! [frost]
jondg14
Thursday, November 28, 2013 7:41:23 AM
http://images.meteociel.fr/im/4303/ECH1-240_nra0.GIF 

In this scenario the bulk of the PV is displaced towards North America so we're looking for a Scandi high to deliver us a proper cold spell
Sevendust
Thursday, November 28, 2013 7:53:44 AM

No denying the potential at about 8 days out, something which has been hinted at by GFS for a while

Stormchaser
Thursday, November 28, 2013 8:15:39 AM

GFS operational, you cheeky fellow 


We see the Scandi trough digging south in spectacular fashion, followed by the PV segment to our west forming over the central U.S., allowing ridging to keep going to our NW, with reload potential on day 16. The result is the coldest FI of the season so far.


Could do with a bit more GEFS support though!




As for ECM, it's more progressive with a trough up the East U.S. coast than GFS or UKMO, resulting in the Atlantic toppling the block by day 10, although with troughing down into Europe and cold, unstable air in place there, the ridge could end up stretching to our NE and creating an easterly of some description to keep dragging that cold air across... interesting times once we get past the coming week!


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Karl Guille
Thursday, November 28, 2013 8:18:27 AM

Now that's cold but the key element is whether we can form a Scandi high from there? At least low pressure is in about the right place over Italy!


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2013112800/ECM0-216.GIF?28-12


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2013112800/ECM0-240.GIF?28-12


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Steve Murr
Thursday, November 28, 2013 8:39:50 AM
Morning all-

So were finally off to the races- maybe the calls of a toppler/ non starter were a bit premature yesterday -

If i get the time I will post why- which is all based around the last 4 years winter pressure anomaly which is almost totally inverse to the normal prevailing pattern...
S
some faraway beach
Thursday, November 28, 2013 8:53:36 AM


Now that's cold but the key element is whether we can form a Scandi high from there? At least low pressure is in about the right place over Italy!


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2013112800/ECM0-216.GIF?28-12


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2013112800/ECM0-240.GIF?28-12


Originally Posted by: Karl Guille 


Yes. Even at 72 hrs there are a couple of areas of weak low pressure to our south in the Atlantic and the Mediterranean. Always welcome to me as a sign that the Jet's getting disrupted and/or bits are wandering southwards:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=72&mode=1&map=0&archive=0


As you say, by 240 hrs there's that messy low around Italy to hint that high pressure is going to be be supported to the north.


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=240&mode=1&map=0&archive=0


 Basically, I always associate a 30-second TV news clip of weather chaos in Italy with a decent spell of UK winter weather.


2 miles west of Taunton, 32 m asl, where "milder air moving in from the west" becomes SNOWMAGEDDON.
Well, two or three times a decade it does, anyway.
GIBBY
Thursday, November 28, 2013 8:55:53 AM

Good morning everyone. Here is my interpretation as I see it from the midnight outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Thursday November 28th 2013.


All models show a large High pressure close to SW Ireland with a light and slack NW flow affecting all areas with low level cloud cover bringing quiet and benign conditions to all areas over the next 24 hours. Through tomorrow cleaner and fresher, colder air will move SE behind a very weak cold front to reach all areas by evening with a dry and bright Saturday away from scattered showers over the North and East for a time, wintry over the hills. By Sunday the NW flow will of weakened as High pressure over the Atlantic ridges back in towards Southern Britain allowing milder and cloudier conditions to gradually topple down across the UK again from the NW through Sunday. This then persists in to the middle of next week with the likelihood of another spell of average temperatures under cloudy skies and light winds for all but the far North where freshening West winds and a little rain develops by then.


GFS then brings a weakening band of rain SE later next week followed by a more coherent spell of rain on a marked cold front which sweeps SE at the weekend bringing very cold and wintry Northerly winds with gales and heavy snow showers to all areas, heavy and prolonged with accumulations in the North and East. On this morning's operational cold weather is then shown to last throughout the following week with snow showers and perhaps some longer spells of snow possible before things quieten down under High pressure at the end of the run but with severe night frosts likely.


UKMO closes it's morning run with next Wednesday being mostly dry and rather cloudy still with a ridge from the Atlantic across the South. The North would see freshening Westerly winds later in the day with the risk of some rainfall later.


GEM this morning shows a cold front slipping SE midweek and bringing a change to colder and dry weather with overnight frost and fog later next week before the High flattens out and milder Westerly winds sink South over Britain followed by another push of colder Polar Maritime air at the end of the run bringing back cold and frosty weather and some wintry showers in the far North and NE.


NAVGEM shows pressure falling from the North later next week as Low pressure moves East to the North. The cloudy and benign conditions over the South would be maintained a while longer before a cold front would swing SE later next week to bring a spell of rain followed by colder weather with wintry showers in the North.


ECM today shows a sharp drop in temperature later next week as Low pressure crosses East to the North and a cold front sweeps SE across all areas. The weather would turn windy and cold with snow showers over all coastal areas, heavy and accumulative over the North and East temporarily before the emphasis shifts to clear skies and widespread penetrative frosts next weekend as High pressure topples in from the West eventually cutting off the Northerly feed.


The GFS Ensembles show only a very short cold snap towards next weekend before things recover to average or even a little above by the end of the run. The operational run is very isolated in it's persistence of cold beyond next weekend with many members showing rising temperatures including the Control run. Rainfall is very low with little for the next week across the South with only short spells of rain shown in Week 2 across the South while closer to average rainfall is likely towards the far North.


The Jet Stream today is projected to stay well to the North and NW of Britain over the next 7 days before it turns SE down across the UK later next week. It isn't long though before it is shown to move back North to a position close to Iceland very late in the run.


In Summary the next week is going to see a lot more of the same with a lot of quiet and benign weather under largely cloudy skies, very light winds and little in the way of rain, sunshine, frost or fog. There will be a temporary transition into a quieter and colder phase for 36-48hrs early in the weekend as a cold front clears SE leaving a short-lived legacy of scattered showers, wintry on hills in the North before the benign, milder and damper air returns on Sunday. It's not until later next week when a more active phase of weather looks like developing as High pressure gives way. A cold front looks like sweeping South delivering what looks like a short but sharp drop in temperatures with snow showers and strong Northerly winds with some likely accumulation of snow over Northern and Eastern high ground. Thereafter there is a strong balance of agreement between the GFS Ensembles and other models that High pressure will move back in across the UK later from the West which in turn will remove the snow shower risk but introduce some very cold nights with severe frost before milder Atlantic winds begin to edge their way back into the UK, first to the NW and on to other areas later.
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Chiltern Blizzard
Thursday, November 28, 2013 9:28:29 AM

Thanks Gibby - a balanced unbiassed analysis of what the models are showing as always....   My rule is to only get excited by the prospect of weather events when you're providing some confidence that they will occur.   December 2012 excepted (when everyone got it wrong), it never fails!


Andrew


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Chiltern Blizzard
Thursday, November 28, 2013 9:36:03 AM

If you like sunshine and heat, Ibiza is normally a good choice....  However, according to the GFS op at T+384 (so to be taken with a wheelbarrow of salt) it looks set for a proper dumping of snow!


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3841.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3842.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3843.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3844.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn38410.png


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tallyho_83
Thursday, November 28, 2013 9:46:26 AM
JUST FOR FUN:

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn38417.png 

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White Meadows
Thursday, November 28, 2013 9:48:32 AM
Can anyone post the Nuuk Greenland pressure ensembles please?
Gavin P
Thursday, November 28, 2013 9:53:38 AM

Can anyone post the Nuuk Greenland pressure ensembles please?

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 


There you go;


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_Nuuk_ens.png


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Rob K
Thursday, November 28, 2013 10:57:47 AM
Back to a more realistic toppler scenario on the 06Z.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2401.png 
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The Beast from the East
Thursday, November 28, 2013 10:58:02 AM

Morning all- So were finally off to the races- maybe the calls of a toppler/ non starter were a bit premature yesterday - If i get the time I will post why- which is all based around the last 4 years winter pressure anomaly which is almost totally inverse to the normal prevailing pattern... S

Originally Posted by: Steve Murr 


It will topple in the sense we will not get a greenland or icelandic block. The question is can we build pressure over Scandi in time to stop the jet pushing through


Just about manages it on the GFS 06z which keeps us cold all the way


 


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White Meadows
Thursday, November 28, 2013 1:05:01 PM


Can anyone post the Nuuk Greenland pressure ensembles please?

Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


There you go;


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_Nuuk_ens.png


Originally Posted by: White Meadows 


 


Thanks Gavin 


They do look encouraging one would have to say 


On second look these are temp & precipitation. Isn't there one for pressure??

Roonie
Thursday, November 28, 2013 1:19:42 PM



Can anyone post the Nuuk Greenland pressure ensembles please?

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 


There you go;


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_Nuuk_ens.png


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


 


Thanks Gavin 


They do look encouraging one would have to say 


On second look these are temp & precipitation. Isn't there one for pressure??


Originally Posted by: White Meadows 


 


Try this..


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT2_Nuuk_ens.png



Still Lurking.......

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Rob K
Thursday, November 28, 2013 1:23:11 PM


 


Try this..


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT2_Nuuk_ens.png



Originally Posted by: Roonie 


Looks like pretty solid support for the vortex to reform there. Can't see anything other than a brief cold blip from that.


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Gavin P
Thursday, November 28, 2013 1:42:18 PM

Hi all,


Here's today's video update;


A Prolonged Cold Spell From GFS


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


Think the 00z run was a clear and obvious outlier, but theres some fun charts to see anyway.


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ballamar
Thursday, November 28, 2013 2:01:33 PM



Try this..
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT2_Nuuk_ens.png 
UserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Looks like pretty solid support for the vortex to reform there. Can't see anything other than a brief cold blip from that.

Originally Posted by: Roonie 



Of course that does not represent pressure over Scandinavia
moomin75
Thursday, November 28, 2013 2:04:05 PM

Try this.. http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT2_Nuuk_ens.png  UserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: ballamar 

Looks like pretty solid support for the vortex to reform there. Can't see anything other than a brief cold blip from that.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

Of course that does not represent pressure over Scandinavia

Originally Posted by: Roonie 


No, but this one does.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT2_Oslo_ens.png


And although pressure goes high right at the end of the run, it's pretty much low pressure all the way in the semi-reliable time-frame.


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ballamar
Thursday, November 28, 2013 2:20:38 PM

Try this.. http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT2_Nuuk_ens.png  UserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: moomin75 

Looks like pretty solid support for the vortex to reform there. Can't see anything other than a brief cold blip from that.

Originally Posted by: ballamar 

Of course that does not represent pressure over Scandinavia

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


No, but this one does.
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT2_Oslo_ens.png 
And although pressure goes high right at the end of the run, it's pretty much low pressure all the wayin the semi-reliable time-frame.

Originally Posted by: Roonie 



But pressure over Nuuk bears no reflection on conditions over Uk
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