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Rob K
18 December 2013 16:51:52
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3361.png 

But there's just too much energy coming out of the US for it to last.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
18 December 2013 16:52:09
On the first basis GFS 12z One day Very Windy and Cool to a bit less cold, with gales and severe gales in NW in particular! these moving further East and South at times, and then on following day's and this is kept repeating out to 240hrs, mobile Chilly cool a bit cold weather with the NW parts of the UK most likely to be cold enough for low level sleet and much occasional snow showers in the NW UK, rain showers in Central and East to the South UK, throughout this GFS 12z run forecast to t240h.

It is same across whole of North Atlantic but all the while the colder air gets a bit closer to us at long distant areas NW and N Atlantic and the NE far Atlantic and N to West Norwegian Sea particularly in the Second half of this forecast period.

Further out more of the same is looming at our Western NW Atlantic- areas where mild and cold air meet up and mix in tomLow Pressure a Vortex via N Atlantic PV Centre- short waves turn into major circling low pressures as they cross there and over the UK and Iceland etc.
Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
warrenb
18 December 2013 17:17:22
Things are starting to look interesting.
Russwirral
18 December 2013 17:20:20
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3361.png  But there's just too much energy coming out of the US for it to last.


 


saying that - if the energy was diverted -  a great big wallop of energy up the side of the Green land high would do wonders for its strength and intensity on our side of it - if it did develop.


Russwirral
Saint Snow
18 December 2013 17:25:25
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3361.png  But there's just too much energy coming out of the US for it to last.


 


An active Atlantic would have potential with a southerly-displaced Jet and no blocking Euro High.



Martin
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Saint Snow
18 December 2013 17:26:26


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/geme_cartes.php?&ech=222&mode=0&carte=1


Thats quite a disrupted PV with 5 main troughs.


 


Reminds me of the magic roundabout in Swindon


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Roundabout_(Swindon)


Originally Posted by: Russwirral 


 




Martin
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Aneurin Bevan
Rob K
18 December 2013 18:44:44
http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2013121812/ECM1-144.GIF?18-0 

So, very windy (and damagingly so in the NW) but not the apocalyptic scenario of the 00Z.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
warrenb
18 December 2013 18:51:46
Well at 144 there is no damaging secondary storm, but don't look at the 168 for boxing day.
Polar Low
18 December 2013 18:57:44

You dont see that often sitting like that.


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/jma.php?ech=192&mode=1&nh=1&archive=0


 


 

Rob K
18 December 2013 18:58:15

Well at 144 there is no damaging secondary storm, but don't look at the 168 for boxing day.

Originally Posted by: warrenb 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1681.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1921.gif


 


Deep LPs but not the tight isobars we have seen on previous runs. A much less extreme run.


 


 


UKMO does have a nasty little kink in the isobars over the south at 144 though: http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/runs/2013121812/UW144-21.GIF?18-18


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Polar Low
18 December 2013 19:00:33

im pleased about that Rob



Well at 144 there is no damaging secondary storm, but don't look at the 168 for boxing day.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1681.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1921.gif


 


Deep LPs but not the tight isobars we have seen on previous runs. A much less extreme run.


Originally Posted by: warrenb 

Polar Low
Rob K
18 December 2013 19:20:34


Really ?


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/storm-motion/138h.htm


 


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


That is the storm motion chart, i.e how fast the system is moving, not how fast the winds in the system are blowing... if that makes sense! A slow storm motion would actually be rather more worrying I would have thought, as at least in this case the storm will blow through quite fast!


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Polar Low
18 December 2013 19:24:19

Cheers Rob I didnt know that.




Really ?


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/storm-motion/138h.htm


 


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


That is the storm motion chart, i.e how fast the system is moving, not how fast the winds in the system are blowing... if that makes sense! A slow storm motion would actually be rather more worrying I would have thought, as at least in this case the storm will blow through quite fast!


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 

Rob K
18 December 2013 19:29:43
http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2013121812/132-289.GIF?18-12 

http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2013121812/132-602.GIF?18-12 

Take with the usual GFS pinch of salt.

Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Whether Idle
18 December 2013 20:12:50


Yes, saw those, very handy Thank you


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
GIBBY
18 December 2013 20:13:43

Good evening. Here is tonight's report on the midday outputs from NWP for today Wednesday December 18th 2013.


All models show an active cold front attached to a very deep depression to the NW of Britain crossing quickly East over the UK this evening. Following behind will be a colder and still windy period of weather with a mix of clear or sunny intervals and heavy and frequent showers of rain, hail, sleet and snow the latter most likely but not exclusively over the hills. Then after a bright start to Friday a new area of heavy rain will sweep NE across the UK with renewed severe gales in the NW. Showery air will return to the North of the UK later with a slower clearance for Southern areas as a new wave runs along the cold front giving rise to another very wet spell for the South on Saturday. Sunday will then be a colder day for all with sunshine and showers, wintry on hills.


GFS then shows the whole of the Christmas Week as wet, windy and occasionally stormy with severe gale or even storm force winds at times giving rise to flooding and wind damage issues almost anywhere over the period. After Christmas improvements are slow with plenty more fast changing conditions alternating between wet and windy weather to sunshine and showers, wintry at times. Overall things would turn somewhat colder, especially in the interludes between the rain areas.


UKMO shows Christmas Eve as a rather cold and windy day with gale or severe gales across the North and West in particular with frequent showers giving hail, thunder, sleet and snow in places.


GEM shows very unsettled with very deep Low pressure encircling the UK with some very potent small centres delivering very heavy rain and strong winds for all at times. It will become more generally less mild with some snow at times over the hills.


NAVGEM tonight shows a very wet Christmas too with low pressure spiraling across the Atlantic and the UK with heavy rain and severe gales with sleet or snow showers at times over the hills.


ECM tonight shows plenty of wind and rain over the Christmas week with severe gales at times and plenty of rain with wintry showers over the hills at times, especially across the North.


The GFS Ensembles show a sine wave pattern indicative of a very mobile and Atlantic based weather pattern. There will be plenty of rain with local flooding issues if some of the charts verify and some colder interludes too when some sleet or snow showers could fall over the hills.


The Jet Stream shows the flow continuing more or less unabated across the Atlantic and across the British Isles for the reliable future.


In Summary there seems no real letup now in the very unsettled and potentially stormy spell of weather which will take us through the Christmas period and up to the New Year. Although never technically very cold at any point the volatile nature of the weather will result in some unexpected weather events to show up, be it snowfall or thunder, lightning hail and even mini tornadoes. Wind damage will be feasible at times ad most importantly with continual heavy rain events occurring there will be an increasing risk of flooding as rainfall totals rack up quickly over the next week or so.


Martin G
Kilmersdon Radstock Bath Somerset



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Saint Snow
18 December 2013 20:57:27
http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2013121812/ECM1-144.GIF?18-0 

So, very windy (and damagingly so in the NW) but not the apocalyptic scenario of the 00Z.


 


Harrumph. I was hoping that the storm would be modelled further and further south, whilst that secondary low would make the xmas weather at least interesting, instead of the breezy, wet durge it's looking like.



Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
Bugglesgate
18 December 2013 21:38:01


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2013121812/ECM1-144.GIF?18-0 

So, very windy (and damagingly so in the NW) but not the apocalyptic scenario of the 00Z.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


Harrumph. I was hoping that the storm would be modelled further and further south, whilst that secondary low would make the xmas weather at least interesting, instead of the breezy, wet durge it's looking like.



 


You can sod right off Saint, my fence is hanging by a rusty nail as it is


Chris (It,its)
Between Newbury and Basingstoke
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Gooner
18 December 2013 22:03:02

http://expert-images.weatheronline.co.uk/daten/proficharts/en/nae/2013/12/18/basis18/ukuk/prty/13121918_1818.gif


Wintry mix moving across from the West


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
18 December 2013 22:14:41

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2013121818/gfsnh-0-138.png?18


Scotland and NI take the brunt on Xmas Eve


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
18 December 2013 22:33:59

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2013121818/gfsnh-0-162.png?18


Xmas Day is not that bad, breezy , showers moving through


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2013121818/gfsnh-0-186.png?18


Boxing Day sees very strong winds across the UK


 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


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