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Gooner
19 December 2013 18:27:57

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2013121912/ECH1-120.GIF?19-0


Northern parts of Scotland and Ireland will take a battering if verified


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
19 December 2013 18:39:47

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2013121912/ECH1-144.GIF?19-0


ECM gives us a calm Xmas Day before the next storm moves in


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2013121912/ECH1-168.GIF?19-0


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


some faraway beach
19 December 2013 18:47:12


... And quite a cold Christmas Day too. Closer up, and the 528 dam line would be somewhere over Northern France according to my mental arithmetic:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=144&mode=1&map=0&type=0&archive=0


2 miles west of Taunton, 32 m asl, where "milder air moving in from the west" becomes SNOWMAGEDDON.
Well, two or three times a decade it does, anyway.
Gooner
19 December 2013 18:58:00

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2013121912/ECH1-240.GIF?19-0


ECM keep us in a cool/cold flow


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2013121912/ECH0-240.GIF?19-0


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


ballogie
19 December 2013 19:01:14

 


 


 


 



I just hope the weather doesn't prove to be too much of a problem on Tuesday (Xmas Eve) up here; I'm planning a trip through to Edinburgh by train on that day and don't really want the trains to be disrupted!



 


Is this route prone to weather related disruption ? Being Scotrail's busiest and most profitable route, I'd imagine your chance of success remains much more than 50:50

The Beast from the East
19 December 2013 19:18:28

ECM doesnt quite make it and sends energy again NE after a promising Christmas Day chart


Anyway, at least a step towards GFS


 


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Stormchaser
19 December 2013 20:14:36

What has got into ECM lately... bombs out everything that comes off the U.S!


UKMO is much weaker with the day 5-7 system, as is GFS. This helps us out as it tracks further S then SE towards the continent (*making an assumption with UKMO of course).


 


As it is, ECM still produces an Arctic High for days 9 and 10, with trough disruption on the SW tip of Greenland and signs of some energy splitting away and sliding SE for day 11. That weak ridge from the Azores would be squashed aside very rapidly.


GEM manages to look interesting by day 10 too, despite a less convincing Arctic High (displaced towards Siberia... a Sibeartic High? ).


 


With residual PV energy across Canada looking inevitable, we're looking for energy sliding SE under a ridge from the Arctic as a good route to some kind of cold spell with snow.


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IanK
19 December 2013 20:21:48

The GFS 12z ensembles seem to be a very average mixed bag


 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png


 


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ITSY
19 December 2013 22:55:20

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?ech=204&code=0&mode=10&carte=1


I couldnt find the strat thread so i hope MODs dont mind this being in here - but some noticeable warming possibly starting to take place, potentially either side of the pole - which COULD, if developed, have some interesting reprecussions ala last year. One to watch.

Gooner
19 December 2013 22:55:46

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2013121918/gfsnh-0-192.png?18


This doesn't look too clever


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Whether Idle
19 December 2013 22:58:45

The Christmas Day charts as offered tonight by Met O and GFS and ECM would bring a wintry mix for many.  If these charts verify then could 2013 be the first white Christmas since 1970 for some in the S; though it would be a slushy mess rather than deep crisp and even.


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Quantum
19 December 2013 23:03:18

I think December has to be written off at this stage as a mild and zonal month. Almost no chance of anything changing before january. And even then I can't see anything that interesting though I will keep looking :S. The promising heights over the arctic and southern jetstream are severely tempered by cold pooling over the E USA and a very active atlantic. A negative AO will do nothing if the NAO remains very strongly positive. Wrg to strat warming, I can finally see something more than noise, but any warming is still very minor and at southern latitudes and more importantly at the back end of FI. Even if an SSW event occurs, it will only affect us by mid january and even then SSWs do not guarantee anything. Basically the 500hpa level is almost always more exicitng to me than the 30hpa+ level, with some exceptions for instance the SSW event last year.  


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Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

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Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gooner
19 December 2013 23:13:46

http://expert-images.weatheronline.co.uk/daten/proficharts/en/2013/12/19/basis18/ukuk/rart/13122406_2_1918.gif


A wintry feel on Xmas Eve


JFF JFF


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
19 December 2013 23:15:03


I think December has to be written off at this stage as a mild and zonal month. Almost no chance of anything changing before january. And even then I can't see anything that interesting though I will keep looking :S. The promising heights over the arctic and southern jetstream are severely tempered by cold pooling over the E USA and a very active atlantic. A negative AO will do nothing if the NAO remains very strongly positive. Wrg to strat warming, I can finally see something more than noise, but any warming is still very minor and at southern latitudes and more importantly at the back end of FI. Even if an SSW event occurs, it will only affect us by mid january and even then SSWs do not guarantee anything. Basically the 500hpa level is almost always more exicitng to me than the 30hpa+ level, with some exceptions for instance the SSW event last year.  


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2013121918/gfsnh-10-384.png?18


Something is happening, who knows if it will change anything later in January


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


David M Porter
19 December 2013 23:45:16


 


 


 


 


Originally Posted by: ballogie 


I just hope the weather doesn't prove to be too much of a problem on Tuesday (Xmas Eve) up here; I'm planning a trip through to Edinburgh by train on that day and don't really want the trains to be disrupted!



 


Is this route prone to weather related disruption ? Being Scotrail's busiest and most profitable route, I'd imagine your chance of success remains much more than 50:50



Two weeks ago the entire rail network was shut down up here for a few hours after some parts of Scotland were battered by severe gales/storm force winds. We're not especially prone to problems caused by the weather but that said it has caused some difficulties in the past from time to time, including extreme heat causing damage to the track as happened back in July!


Lenzie, Glasgow

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Karl Guille
20 December 2013 00:08:25

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2013121918/gfsnh-0-192.png?18 
This doesn't look too clever

Originally Posted by: Gooner 



Don't like this one bit, somewhat more tightly packed isobars than the Spurs defence! Looking distinctly wet and stormy as we approach Christmas and perhaps a little cooler as we he'd towards the new year.

St. Sampson
Guernsey
Gandalf The White
20 December 2013 01:03:43


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2013121918/gfsnh-10-384.png?18 
Something is happening, who knows if it will change anything later in January

Originally Posted by: Gooner 



That warming has been building slowly in the charts for over a week now. Originally it was modelled to be stronger on this side of the Pole, you may recall.

There ought to be some effects eventually but who knows if, when, where and to what extent? It all seems riddled with uncertainty.
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Arcus
20 December 2013 07:08:49
Saturday's little disturbance, which had been dropped by GFS, appears to be back again this morning.
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn421.png 

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn422.png 

Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
30m asl
JACKO4EVER
20 December 2013 08:06:04

Saturday's little disturbance, which had been dropped by GFS, appears to be back again this morning.
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn421.png 

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn422.png 

Originally Posted by: Arcus 


Yeh, that looks pretty nasty. Toying with the idea of this little feature means to my untrained eye that it could turn vicious- rapid bombing that the model is struggling to come to terms with. One to keep an eye on. This evenings fax charts will be interesting for sure.
GIBBY
20 December 2013 08:15:56

Good morning. Here is the report on the NWP output taken using the 12 midnight data on Friday December 20th 2013.


All models show very unsettled conditions up to Christmas with a new Low and fronts crossing NW Britain today with severe gales and heavy rain developing and sinking it subsequently SE over Southern areas tonight where it becomes slow moving and mild again later. Tomorrow sees colder and showery conditions finally reach the SE late in the day with Sunday being a very windy and showery day for all with the heaviest ones in the West and with wintry ones on Northern hills.


CHRISTMAS EVE looks likely to become very wet and potentially stormy as yet another storm system approaches NW Britain. Heavy rain and severe gales look likely for all before colder and clearer weather with squally showers in Westerly gales reach all but the SE by Christmas Eve night. CHRISTMAS DAY looks like very deep Low pressure will lie close to the North with a strong rather cold and showery Westerly flow delivering a lot of showers to Western and Northern coasts and hills with rather drier and brighter weather possible in the East with a little sunshine. BOXING DAY currently shows rather lighter Westerly winds but rather cold conditions across the UK. With pressure shown to be very low from all models troughs would bring showery outbreaks of rain and hill snow with the most likely places to receive these impossible to predict at this range but nowhere would likely be immune.


GFS then leads us out of Christmas and into the New Year with further storm systems repeatedly rushing across the Atlantic and passing the NW of Scotland maintaining the pattern of strong winds and rain in relatively mild conditions with spells of showery weather when it will be rather colder with some wintry showers over the hills of the north at least.


UKMO closes it's output with Boxing Day being an unsettled day with a trough crossing East giving enhanced showers, perhaps wintry on hills before drier and less showery weather moves in from the West late in the day.


GEM shows a cocktail of Low pressure systems encompassing the UK in the period up towards the New Year with plenty of scope for gales and heavy rain on each day with some brighter and colder moments in between.


NAVGEM ends the Christmas holiday period with an intense storm near SW England with severe gales and torrential rainfall possible in the South should it evolve with some snow possible on it's Northern flank while Northern areas remain rather chilly and showery.


ECM closes Christmas with another storm system up to the NW pushing SW'ly gales and heavy rain across all areas when it will become briefly milder again with the sunshine and shower mix returning again for a time as we approach New Years Eve. However, the embryonic signs of a new storm system to arrive over the New Year period is high on it's 10 day chart.


The GFS Ensembles show no shift whatsoever in maintaining the current pattern of Atlantic driven weather through the entire period with the mean temperatures for the run hugging the long term average throughout. Rainfall is again shown to be copious and troublesome at times with flooding issue a very likely proposition if this verifies.


The Jet Stream powering this pattern remains locked in situ with a short fluctuation South of the UK over Christmas before powering back NE across the British Isles again towards the New Year.


In Summary the pattern remains locked with a powerful Jet stream continuing to feed active storm systems close to NW Britain each giving their own bouts of gales and heavy rain in repeated doses. There will be some polar maritime incursions of air when showers could be heavy and wintry almost anywhere before milder weather returns on the next approaching storm. There looks unlikely to be any major pattern shift now this side of the New Year with the Jet Stream in 10 days time showing little significant signs of weakening or changing it's orientation. the net result of this sustained period will be the flooding that is likely to develop with time and this takes the headline away somewhat from the earlier risks of storm force winds over Christmas which thankfully looks to have receded somewhat on most recent model runs.


Martin G
Kilmersdon Radstock Bath Somerset



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Arcus
20 December 2013 08:16:00

Saturday's little disturbance, which had been dropped by GFS, appears to be back again this morning.
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn421.png

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn422.png

Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 


Yeh, that looks pretty nasty. Toying with the idea of this little feature means to my untrained eye that it could turn vicious- rapid bombing that the model is struggling to come to terms with. One to keep an eye on. This evenings fax charts will be interesting for sure.

Originally Posted by: Arcus 


Yes, it has been shown as a trough on the faxes, but it may develop a circulation and become a more potent feature. 


Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
30m asl
The Beast from the East
20 December 2013 08:17:13

poor longer range output now, with the EC 32 dayer saying no change until Jan 19th. Winter is almost over!


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Maunder Minimum
20 December 2013 08:23:11


poor longer range output now, with the EC 32 dayer saying no change until Jan 19th. Winter is almost over!


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


I thought that had been pretty clear for our neck of the woods for some considerable time. Straw clutching is the order of the day this winter. No doubt, we will get the odd toppler to maintain some interest.


I expect any proper winter to be late this year, just as the spring lambs and daffodils arrive, throwing nature into some confusion.


New world order coming.
Gooner
20 December 2013 08:31:45

http://expert-images.weatheronline.co.uk/daten/proficharts/en/2013/12/20/basis00/ukuk/rart/13122406_2_2000.gif


JFF JFF


Wintry for parts of the North on Xmas Eve


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Polar Low
20 December 2013 08:35:20
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