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doctormog
21 December 2013 13:02:22

[quote=Gooner;561449]

http://expert-images.weatheronline.co.uk/daten/proficharts/en/2013/12/20/basis18/ukuk/rart/13122406_2_2018.gif


JFF JFF


Snow on the ground for a few on the morning

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Hi, where can I find a KEY for this type of chart, just to clarify the various symbols....?
Cheers
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Originally Posted by: VIRTUAL STORMCHASER 



http://expert.weatheronline.co.uk/rart_frame.htm 
roger63
21 December 2013 13:04:36

Just looked at 06h GEFS out in FI (360H).6 Jan


Majority of ensembles (66%) still zonal W or SW., No convincing cold. HP in a variety of places UK,W Russia,Atantic Greenland.but no sustained cold flow over the UK.


Wilhave to hope that LP tracks shift further south.

TomC
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  • Advanced Member
21 December 2013 13:09:56

ECM and MOGREPS ensembles give strong support for the low crossing the UK late on Christmas not quite cold enough for low -level snow even on the Northern side, above 300 m I think

21 December 2013 13:11:27

[quote=Gooner;561449]

http://expert-images.weatheronline.co.uk/daten/proficharts/en/2013/12/20/basis18/ukuk/rart/13122406_2_2018.gif


JFF JFF


Snow on the ground for a few on the morning

↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑


Hi, where can I find a KEY for this type of chart, just to clarify the various symbols....?
Cheers
VSC

Originally Posted by: doctormog 



http://expert.weatheronline.co.uk/rart_frame.htm 

Originally Posted by: VIRTUAL STORMCHASER 



Thanks!!
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Quantum
21 December 2013 13:15:42


ECM and MOGREPS ensembles give strong support for the low crossing the UK late on Christmas not quite cold enough for low -level snow even on the Northern side, above 300 m I think


Originally Posted by: TomC 


Yes, I agree. To get snow at lower levels, some stagnation would be required. For that we would need very low heights but no circulation on the surface. I would say parts of the south midlands and SW are most at risk of seeing localised snow, but I recon its still less than a 1/3 probability at best. 



EDIT: The GEM solution is most conductive to transient snow in wales and the SW. 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Polar Low
21 December 2013 13:45:29

No 8 would be very close for the s/e Q very wet mix but it would count


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=8&ech=108&mode=0&carte=0




ECM and MOGREPS ensembles give strong support for the low crossing the UK late on Christmas not quite cold enough for low -level snow even on the Northern side, above 300 m I think


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Yes, I agree. To get snow at lower levels, some stagnation would be required. For that we would need very low heights but no circulation on the surface. I would say parts of the south midlands and SW are most at risk of seeing localised snow, but I recon its still less than a 1/3 probability at best. 



EDIT: The GEM solution is most conductive to transient snow in wales and the SW. 


Originally Posted by: TomC 

Medlock Vale Weather
21 December 2013 13:48:39

Possibly snow for those of us in the North and West on Christmas eve 


http://expert-images.weatheronline.co.uk/daten/proficharts/en/2013/12/21/basis06/ukuk/rart/13122406_2_2106.gif


Alan in Medlock Valley - Oldham's frost hollow. 103 metres above sea level.
What is a frost hollow? http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/reports/wxfacts/Frost-hollow.htm 
Quantum
21 December 2013 13:49:09


No 8 would be very close for the s/e Q very wet mix but it would count


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=8&ech=108&mode=0&carte=0




ECM and MOGREPS ensembles give strong support for the low crossing the UK late on Christmas not quite cold enough for low -level snow even on the Northern side, above 300 m I think


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


Yes, I agree. To get snow at lower levels, some stagnation would be required. For that we would need very low heights but no circulation on the surface. I would say parts of the south midlands and SW are most at risk of seeing localised snow, but I recon its still less than a 1/3 probability at best. 



EDIT: The GEM solution is most conductive to transient snow in wales and the SW. 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Originally Posted by: TomC 


I think there is too much circulation on that pertubation to give snow, although perhaps on the chilterns. Having said that pertubation 6 does offer some snow potential for the 27th, potentially even quite widely. 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Polar Low
21 December 2013 13:52:19

not a clever xmas eve fax chart for travel


http://www.weathercharts.org/ukmomslp.htm#t72


 

Polar Low
21 December 2013 14:10:26

Will feel very cold in that wind Alan


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/royaume-uni/vent-rafales/90h.htm


 


 



Possibly snow for those of us in the North and West on Christmas eve 


http://expert-images.weatheronline.co.uk/daten/proficharts/en/2013/12/21/basis06/ukuk/rart/13122406_2_2106.gif


Originally Posted by: Medlock Vale Weather 

AIMSIR
21 December 2013 14:14:24


not a clever xmas eve fax chart for travel


http://www.weathercharts.org/ukmomslp.htm#t72


 


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 

The 528 is mabey a bit too far North for snow.


Looks rough enough though,eitherway.


Sorry,Eyeballed it wrong.


Specsavers and all that.

Quantum
21 December 2013 15:50:33

Here is a quick sounding check for England midday at 12pm xmas day based on the 6z high res GFS. Obviously forecasts assume precipatation is about, but anyway for a few cities:


London: RAIN


Norwhich: RAIN


Southampton: RAIN


Exetor: RAIN


Cardiff: RAIN


Currently doesn't look too great :S


 


 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
doctormog
21 December 2013 15:50:57
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn661.png 

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn721.png 

Still a rather impressive Low!
Sevendust
21 December 2013 16:17:08
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn661.png 

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn721.png

Still a rather impressive Low!


925mb?

mbradshaw
21 December 2013 16:17:17
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn661.png 

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn721.png

Still a rather impressive Low!


Not liking the look of that one bit. Let's hope our power supply holds up as well as it has been. So far it is lightning, not the wind causing cuts, but the infrastructure has taken a sustained pummelling already....

Whether Idle
21 December 2013 16:32:53

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ukmo2.php?nh=0&ech=48&carte=1021


A powerful storm to affect much of the British Isles if MET O at 48 hours is to be taken seriously.


Worse for the SE at t60 (midnight)


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ukmo2.php?nh=0&ech=60&carte=1021


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Gooner
21 December 2013 16:37:12

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2013122112/gfs-0-156.png?12


This isn't too clever either


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
21 December 2013 16:39:32

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2013122112/gfsnh-0-228.png?12


Different again from GFS LP across the South this time


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


future_is_orange
21 December 2013 16:39:48


Here is a quick sounding check for England midday at 12pm xmas day based on the 6z high res GFS. Obviously forecasts assume precipatation is about, but anyway for a few cities:


London: RAIN


Norwhich: RAIN


Southampton: RAIN


Exetor: RAIN


Cardiff: RAIN


Currently doesn't look too great :S


 


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


What about the other 2/3rds of England..? and didnt realise Cardiff was in England

Whether Idle
21 December 2013 16:39:56


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2013122112/gfs-0-156.png?12


This isn't too clever either


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


No, it is not.  Part of the problem with this weather is that its not even easily "useable" if youve got kids. Mine have been couped up all day.  Going to be an interesting festive season methinks. 


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Quantum
21 December 2013 16:42:32



Here is a quick sounding check for England midday at 12pm xmas day based on the 6z high res GFS. Obviously forecasts assume precipatation is about, but anyway for a few cities:


London: RAIN


Norwhich: RAIN


Southampton: RAIN


Exetor: RAIN


Cardiff: RAIN


Currently doesn't look too great :S


 


 


Originally Posted by: future_is_orange 


What about the other 2/3rds of England..? and didnt realise Cardiff was in England


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


I gave up after those soundings all showed rain (and not even marginal at that) closer to the time I'll do more sounding reports. If I do another final video forecast for xmas day, then soundings will heavily influence it. 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gooner
21 December 2013 16:44:52



http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2013122112/gfs-0-156.png?12


This isn't too clever either


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


No, it is not.  Part of the problem with this weather is that its not even easily "useable" if youve got kids. Mine have been couped up all day.  Going to be an interesting festive season methinks. 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Indeed, though mine don't mind being out as long as they are wrapped up


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
21 December 2013 16:49:19

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2013122112/gfsnh-0-384.png?12


Block to the East to introduce some drier weather?


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
21 December 2013 16:55:39

Temps over the festive period IMBY


7c 8c 6c 5c 4c 8c 9c 6c 9c 8c 4c 2c 3c 1c 0c 2c


Temps in the seasonal category


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


roger63
21 December 2013 16:56:32


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2013122112/gfsnh-0-384.png?12


Block to the East to introduce some drier weather?


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


HP a bit too far south at 384h to let in proper cold easterly.But if it could link up with the Arctic HP to the north......


Anyway its good to see some pressure rise follwing thr New year following the little New year low But its probably the usual miirage that never raeches us!

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