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dagspot
24 December 2013 23:45:49
...its global warning I tell thee...
Neilston 600ft ASL
Gooner
25 December 2013 19:49:54

UK Outlook for Monday 30 Dec 2013 to Wednesday 8 Jan 2014:


Rain clearing most parts early on Monday, with brighter spells and showers following for a time before rain returns later and for part of Tuesday. Windy then too, especially in the north and west with gales at times. Also some hill snow in the north early next week. The unsettled theme continues through the New Year period and beyond with further spells of wet and windy weather and occasional gales being interspersed with some brighter, colder and showery interludes. These showers could turn increasingly wintry, especially over hills, but perhaps also to some lower levels later. Temperatures likely to be near or just below normal in the north and a little above average at times further south. Nights also tending to turn colder bringing an increasing risk of icy patches.


UK Outlook for Thursday 9 Jan 2014 to Thursday 23 Jan 2014:


Current indications suggest the unsettled theme to early January weather conditions being more likely than not to persist through the middle half of the month. Spells of dull, wet and windy weather would then alternate with brighter but colder and showery periods, including some wintry showers. Some signs are also emerging suggesting temperatures being less mild in general terms than the last couple of weeks and perhaps even slightly below average.


Issued at: 1600 on Wed 25 Dec 2013


 


Cooling trend


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


sriram
28 December 2013 10:25:36
Fantastic update for winter fans from weather online

Falling temps through with a lot of snow likely in jan
Sriram
Sedgley, West Midlands ( just south of Wolverhampton )
162m ASL
Gooner
28 December 2013 10:29:42

http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-app/reports?MENU=Month-ahead


Where the hell are they picking that up from


And with moderate confidence


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


sriram
28 December 2013 10:33:41
Weather online pretty confident of a wintery jan - about time we saw this happen

Looks like a classic battleground scenario of Atlantic mild v cold block - especially mid jan onwards

This is good for loads of snow if and it is a big if the cold block holds firm
Sriram
Sedgley, West Midlands ( just south of Wolverhampton )
162m ASL
Gooner
28 December 2013 10:48:01

Weather online pretty confident of a wintery jan - about time we saw this happen

Looks like a classic battleground scenario of Atlantic mild v cold block - especially mid jan onwards

This is good for loads of snow if and it is a big if the cold block holds firm

Originally Posted by: sriram 


There is NO hint whatsoever in the current output that suggests this , what info have they for such a change in conditions


I find that very odd , it is as though they have shut their eyes and picked a weather pattern


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


warrenb
28 December 2013 11:18:12
British weather services just tweated basically the same thing, that first 2 weeks of jan colder with snow
picturesareme
28 December 2013 12:46:07

Weather online pretty confident of a wintery jan - about time we saw this happen

Looks like a classic battleground scenario of Atlantic mild v cold block - especially mid jan onwards

This is good for loads of snow if and it is a big if the cold block holds firm

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


There is NO hint whatsoever in the current output that suggests this , what info have they for such a change in conditions


I find that very odd , it is as though they have shut their eyes and picked a weather pattern

Originally Posted by: sriram 



Gooner you must be one of those who have been ignoring the signs of the past 7-10 days.

Even the metoffice have seen the possiblities!!!!!

UK Outlook for Sunday 12 Jan 2014 to Sunday 26 Jan

Some signs are also emerging suggesting temperatures being less mild in general terms than the last couple of weeks, and perhaps even significantly colder late in the month.

Updated: 1139 on Sat 28 Dec 2013
Gooner
28 December 2013 12:46:08

British weather services just tweated basically the same thing, that first 2 weeks of jan colder with snow

Originally Posted by: warrenb 


As my children say " itchy chin"


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
28 December 2013 12:50:55

UK Outlook for Sunday 12 Jan 2014 to Sunday 26 Jan 2014:


Current indications suggest the unsettled start to January is more likely than not to persist through the middle to latter part of the month. This would mean spells of dull, wet and windy weather alternating with brighter but colder and showery periods, including some wintry showers. Some signs are also emerging suggesting temperatures being less mild in general terms than the last couple of weeks, and perhaps even significantly colder late in the month.


Issued at: 0400 on Sat 28 Dec 2013


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
28 December 2013 13:14:34


Weather online pretty confident of a wintery jan - about time we saw this happen

Looks like a classic battleground scenario of Atlantic mild v cold block - especially mid jan onwards

This is good for loads of snow if and it is a big if the cold block holds firm

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


There is NO hint whatsoever in the current output that suggests this , what info have they for such a change in conditions


I find that very odd , it is as though they have shut their eyes and picked a weather pattern


Originally Posted by: Gooner 



Gooner you must be one of those who have been ignoring the signs of the past 7-10 days.

Even the metoffice have seen the possiblities!!!!!

UK Outlook for Sunday 12 Jan 2014 to Sunday 26 Jan

Some signs are also emerging suggesting temperatures being less mild in general terms than the last couple of weeks, and perhaps even significantly colder late in the month.

Updated: 1139 on Sat 28 Dec 2013

Originally Posted by: sriram 



I am always looking for cold as most on here know, the signs have been a flash in a pan, here today and gone the next.


The Met Office update has only just appeared and the previous update said slightly below average , something has changed overnight


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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nickl
28 December 2013 15:23:30
has to be strat forecast. Nothing else makes sense. It also qualifies with 'some signs' and 'perhaps'. It's hardly a definitive.
Gooner
28 December 2013 15:51:00

has to be strat forecast. Nothing else makes sense. It also qualifies with 'some signs' and 'perhaps'. It's hardly a definitive.

Originally Posted by: nickl 


I understand what you say about the strat bit...........but would they even mention it?


where do you think the weatheronline boys get  their monthly update from, that is so strange?


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Essan
28 December 2013 17:12:10


has to be strat forecast. Nothing else makes sense. It also qualifies with 'some signs' and 'perhaps'. It's hardly a definitive.

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


I understand what you say about the strat bit...........but would they even mention it?


where do you think the weatheronline boys get  their monthly update from, that is so strange?


Originally Posted by: nickl 



Or, as I said in the model thread, maybe just the balance of probability is that after such a mild first half to winter, it'll turn colder in the second half?   Much as the Contingency Planner's forecast appears to allude to?

But we don't know.  Hopefully they've seen something positive, whatever it is

(or maybe they've just seen Nathan Rao's next weather story? )


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nickl
28 December 2013 23:13:09
Weatheronline's forecast is so detailed that is must be from a specific run, be it ens or control. Could be cfs or ec 32 control (i could look but i dont have the inclination)

In the past, when we have expected a SSW within a few weeks, we have seen this odd suggestion pop up on the 30 dayer of a chance of significantly colder conditions. thats why i'm so sure its strat related.
The Beast from the East
29 December 2013 08:31:07

Quite a sensible weather related article from the Express today for a change, focussing on the failngs of our infrastructure and government response


 


 


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Gandalf The White
29 December 2013 13:46:55

has to be strat forecast. Nothing else makes sense. It also qualifies with 'some signs' and 'perhaps'. It's hardly a definitive.

Originally Posted by: nickl 


I think we have to assume they don't do 'knee-jerk' reactions, so I would assume there is something in the way patterns are evolving in some of the ensemble runs - which may indeed be stratosphere related.  I think it's reasonable to assume that they would start to make reference to the potential once it is being modelled consistently. After that, a little like the weather warnings, the mention of the risk will increase if the output increases the probabilities.


One clue we might expect is when they start to shade some regional variation into the colder theme, i.e. will it be coldest for eastern/southern parts or northern parts - in terms of whether they see a continental or northerly influence.


 


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schmee
29 December 2013 17:11:20
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/feeds/25543033  Further rain and wind for the week ahead.
Observations from around GUILDFORD in SURREY and now Nottingham
Gusty
29 December 2013 17:40:00

Evening 


Here are my updated thoughts for the weather in Kent for the week ahead (30th December 2013 - 6th January 2014)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNidxBXQcAk


 


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bledur
29 December 2013 19:05:03

where do you think the weatheronline boys get  their monthly update from, that is so strange?


 as far as i know their monthly updates are based on cfs, jma and korean long range models. they produce a forecast using that as a base and experience. cfs is often way out but recently has been predicting a sharp drop in temps as we go through jan, timing a little all over the place but it does now start to look like it was right.

NDJF
30 December 2013 12:38:16
not the most inspiring long term outlook for those of hoping for some snow. At oods with Weatheronline forcast for similar period.

Me, I am torn, love the cold and snow but quite enjoying the average temps and not having to de-ice car etc etc every day.


 

Monday 13 January—Sunday 26 January 2014

Will the weather ever ease up?

For the end of January it looks as though the unsettled weather will continue across the UK. However, it does look like the amount of low pressure systems bringing wet and windy weather will decrease with the chances of some drier brighter weather increasing. With temperatures expected to be hovering around what we would expect for this time of year it doesn't look good for those wanting to see some snow

micahel37
30 December 2013 14:17:15
I suspect it is just a reflection of the uncertainty around the prospects of a pattern change in the longer term, with whoever did the BBC update less bullish about the amount of cooldown than the met's.

At that range uncertainty is always high, and there are usually a range of scenarios with similar probabilities.
Polbeth, West Lothian 150m asl
Gooner
30 December 2013 15:53:54

UK Outlook for Tuesday 14 Jan 2014 to Tuesday 28 Jan 2014:


Current indications suggest the unsettled start to January is more likely than not to persist through the middle to latter part of the month. This would mean spells of dull, wet and windy weather alternating with brighter but colder and showery periods, including some wintry showers. Some signs are also emerging to suggest temperatures being less mild in general terms than during the first half of January, with the possibility of colder weather later in the month.


Issued at: 1600 on Mon 30 Dec 2013


The word 'Significantly' has been dropped from the forecast, obviously saving that for a future update


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


DEW
  • DEW
  • Advanced Member
30 December 2013 21:18:12

"... December is currently some 2C (35.6F) above normal for the month."


Paul Simons in the Times, suffering at the hands of a scientifically illiterate sub-editor  (at least, I hope he has that excuse)


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Chichester 12m asl
The Beast from the East
30 December 2013 21:31:06
Yes, I read that as well. Thought it was quite amusing but I doubt anyone would have noticed apart from people like us!

If january ends up average and feb 2c below, I think most of us could live with that
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