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Rob K
01 January 2014 07:09:29
Morning all and happy 2014! Up early thanks to my two year old 😞 Hope everyone's heads are OK...

The 18z ensembles for London were possibly the wettest I've ever seen. The 00z set we're not quite as wet but still up there with the worst.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png 

The op run was a mild outlier at the end and there is actually quite good clustering on the cooler than average side. Nothing too exciting though.

Meanwhile ECM is continuing with the idea of a ridge building over the UK. Too far East to give us a cold blast but certainly an improvement on the GFS fare.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2401.gif 
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Whether Idle
01 January 2014 07:37:12
Happy New Year.

I see the GFS is wet wet wet. ECM in far reaches of FI offers a weak ridge but the jet would obliterate it on the 264. All academic anyhow. Enjoy the days whatever the models are showing.


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Retron
01 January 2014 07:51:21
Happy New Year too!

ECM is interesting this morning as not only is it consistent with the ensembles regarding an Atlantic ridge, it then builds a Scandi High (again, as has popped up in the ensembles of late).

At 240 the ECM shows a growing surface high and the jet is split over the Atlantic, meaning it'd be a game-changer regarding the general pattern in our part of the world. Here's hoping it comes off, as I've had more than enough wind and rain to last for the rest of winter!
Leysdown, north Kent
KevBrads1
01 January 2014 07:51:43

Happy New Year.

I see the GFS is wet wet wet. ECM in far reaches of FI offers a weak ridge but the jet would obliterate it on the 264. All academic anyhow. Enjoy the days whatever the models are showing.

Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 




I don't agree with your comment as regards to ECM, you can see by just flicking between 216 and 240 that it actually weakens to the NW, so I don't think the jet will obliterate it if we could see 264hrs. There is ridging coming in from the west. That far out as you say its academic.



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Whether Idle
01 January 2014 07:57:40

Happy New Year too!

ECM is interesting this morning as not only is it consistent with the ensembles regarding an Atlantic ridge, it then builds a Scandi High (again, as has popped up in the ensembles of late).

At 240 the ECM shows a growing surface high and the jet is split over the Atlantic, meaning it'd be a game-changer regarding the general pattern in our part of the world. Here's hoping it comes off, as I've had more than enough wind and rain to last for the rest of winter!

Originally Posted by: Retron 



I hope the ECM is onto something. I'd rather play it down at the moment. The foreseeable is unsettled and wet but its good that there are some charts in FI to muse over.

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nickl
01 January 2014 07:58:07

Happy New Year too!

ECM is interesting this morning as not only is it consistent with the ensembles regarding an Atlantic ridge, it then builds a Scandi High (again, as has popped up in the ensembles of late).

At 240 the ECM shows a growing surface high and the jet is split over the Atlantic, meaning it'd be a game-changer regarding the general pattern in our part of the world. Here's hoping it comes off, as I've had more than enough wind and rain to last for the rest of winter!

Originally Posted by: Retron 



Same run as a few days ago and generates a decent easterly as the control (in good agreement at day 10) went on to do. i assume there will be a few more ens members around a blocked solution this morning. Getting the same solution as the op may prove a bit more tricky!

Scandy 1050 MB
01 January 2014 08:04:23

Happy New Year too!

ECM is interesting this morning as not only is it consistent with the ensembles regarding an Atlantic ridge, it then builds a Scandi High (again, as has popped up in the ensembles of late).

At 240 the ECM shows a growing surface high and the jet is split over the Atlantic, meaning it'd be a game-changer regarding the general pattern in our part of the world. Here's hoping it comes off, as I've had more than enough wind and rain to last for the rest of winter!

Originally Posted by: Retron 


 


Happy new year to everyone - as Darren mentions something very interesting in FI this morning from ECM:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=240&mode=1&map=0&archive=0


 


No support from GFS but GEM does offer some support however the high is much further south which is far from ideal, still something very different from what feels like has been a few months of wind and rain:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/geme_cartes.php?&ech=240&mode=0&carte=0


 


 


 


 

nickl
01 January 2014 08:07:38

Happy New Year too!

ECM is interesting this morning as not only is it consistent with the ensembles regarding an Atlantic ridge, it then builds a Scandi High (again, as has popped up in the ensembles of late).

At 240 the ECM shows a growing surface high and the jet is split over the Atlantic, meaning it'd be a game-changer regarding the general pattern in our part of the world. Here's hoping it comes off, as I've had more than enough wind and rain to last for the rest of winter!

Originally Posted by: Scandy 1050 MB 


 


Happy new year to everyone - as Darren mentions something very interesting in FI this morning from ECM:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=240&mode=1&map=0&archive=0


 


No support from GFS but GEM does offer some support however the high is much further south which is far from ideal, still something very different from what feels like has been a few months of wind and rain:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/geme_cartes.php?&ech=240&mode=0&carte=0


 


 


 


 

Originally Posted by: Retron 



Odd thing is, its been about three weeks. Prior to this onslaught, we were struggling for seasonal rainfall for a longer period in my recollection.

Something of a fork on the winter road upcoming perhaps.
Retron
01 January 2014 08:26:36



Something of a fork on the winter road upcoming perhaps.

Originally Posted by: nickl 


Definite signs of a change on the way. The 0z ECM-15 meteogram for Reading:


http://oi43.tinypic.com/30cxidd.jpg


There's excellent agreement now of a dry, calmer spell starting on the 9th. The 9th is still the date when temperatures fall back to average, with day 10 a little bit colder again.


Leysdown, north Kent
nickl
01 January 2014 08:41:01



Something of a fork on the winter road upcoming perhaps.

Originally Posted by: Retron 


Definite signs of a change on the way. The 0z ECM-15 meteogram for Reading:


http://oi43.tinypic.com/30cxidd.jpg


There's excellent agreement now of a dry, calmer spell starting on the 9th. The 9th is still the date when temperatures fall back to average, with day 10 a little bit colder again.

Originally Posted by: nickl 



The london ens have shown this drier phase kicking in for a few runs now. Whether it extends to the north of the uk, who knows. The spreads on the 00z ens indicate that the op was probably too far north with the block although the anomolys show its not discountable.
GIBBY
01 January 2014 08:46:44

Good morning everyone and a very Happy New Year to you all. Here is my 1st report of 2014 taken using the midnight outputs from NWP for today Wednesday January 1st 2014.


All models remain very unified in stating that the current unsettled spell will continue for at least the next 7 days with Low pressure areas continuing to crash across the Atlantic up to the NW of Britain. This maintains the feed of strong to gale and locally severe gale force SW winds at times along with areas of rain and showers repeatedly crossing quickly NE or East in the flow. The rain will be persistent and troublesome at times giving rise to surface flooding issues almost anywhere but more likely to the usual prone locations. In the showery interludes the usual winter cocktail of hail, thunder, sleet and snow is just about possible particularly near Western and Southern coasts with only very short windows of drier weather in between.


GFS then takes us through the middle and end of next week with some moderation in the wet and windy regime for a time as isobars open out with somewhat colder air in tow for a time. However, on this morning's operational run it isn't long before renewed Atlantic gales and heavy rain sweeps back in off a volatile Atlantic for the remainder of the period to maintain the pattern that we have grown so used to since mid December with little chance of wintry weather.


The GFS Ensembles back up this theme very well with a heavy bias towards Westerly winds being maintained and heavy rain at times throughout the period with temperatures never far from average overall.


UKMO today shows a deep depression near 950mbs between Scotland and Iceland next Tuesday which means a continuation of strong WSW winds and showers at least and most likely some longer spells of heavy rain in places too with temperatures close to the January average.


GEM shows this feature filling in situ as we move through the middle and end of next week with the rain and showers dying out slowly before High pressure building to the SE sets up a milder SW flow with rain for the North and West to end next week.


NAVGEM also shows this feature filling up to the NW over the middle of next week but insufficiently to change the weather pattern of rain or showers within the confines of the run this morning.


ECM is looking very isolated in it's prediction of a pattern change later next week and carries on from where it left off last night developing it further into a Scandinavian High pressure by the end of the week coupled with a tongue of cold air wafting gently West towards Southern Britain in slack conditions. There would continue to be a risk of rain from this slack pressure zone across the South perhaps turning wintry over the hills.


The ECM Ensembles Mean chart for 10 days does not support the operational ending up looking more like GEM in 10 days time with High pressure biased towards being to the SE of the UK and the rampant Atlantic set to pounce once more. However, I realise this is just half of the picture and there will no doubt be some support for the operational in among the gloom of the other members of it's set.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif


The GFS Jet Stream forecast suggests the flow maintains it's current trajectory for some while yet with only minor tweaks and adjustments North and South over the UK in the forecast period.


In Summary today there is a split in the output theory on developments following the filling of a large depression North of the UK towards the middle of next week. While much output doesn't stretch out far enough to evolve it on it looks unlikely that GEM or NAVGEM would follow any other route than that of GFS which maintains a strong Atlantic flow with deep depressions continuing to rattle over the Atlantic with all the wind and rain to which we have become accustomed maintained well into mid January. However, ECM has other ideas with a block forming over Scandinavia and with Low pressure West of Iberia and over Eastern Europe the block could be supported at this Northern latitude without collapse. The Day 10 chart is quite a clever chart as it leaves you wanting it to move on a few more days as there is certainly a chance of something better for cold fans to grasp hold of today. The main problem however, is the Ensemble mean chart for day 10 puts a bias towards High pressure to the SE of Britain whilst drier would hardly lead into something notably cold. More runs needed and greater cross model support too.


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The Beast from the East
01 January 2014 08:47:02

could be a classic "backdoor" or "where did that come from" Easterly. But GFS says no (for the moment) and the ENS are tenuous to say the least. But a glimmer of hope


 


 


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Retron
01 January 2014 08:50:07



The london ens have shown this drier phase kicking in for a few runs now. Whether it extends to the north of the uk, who knows. The spreads on the 00z ens indicate that the op was probably too far north with the block although the anomolys show its not discountable.

Originally Posted by: nickl 


The nearest I have access to is Glasgow:


http://www.weatherxchange.com


That also shows markedly below-climatological-mean rainfall from the 9th, so it looks to be quite a widespread change on the way (assuming the ensembles are correct!)


Temperatures are shown to be below the climatological mean from the 11th up there.


Unfortunately there's no dewpoint, wind direction etc info as is freely available in the Netherlands (for example) so I can't say whether it's an easterly drift or a surface high.


Either way though, the ECM shows signs of a drier, colder spell from the 9th - at least in Glasgow and Reading!


Leysdown, north Kent
JACKO4EVER
01 January 2014 09:07:14



The london ens have shown this drier phase kicking in for a few runs now. Whether it extends to the north of the uk, who knows. The spreads on the 00z ens indicate that the op was probably too far north with the block although the anomolys show its not discountable.

Originally Posted by: Retron 


The nearest I have access to is Glasgow:


http://www.weatherxchange.com


That also shows markedly below-climatological-mean rainfall from the 9th, so it looks to be quite a widespread change on the way (assuming the ensembles are correct!)


Temperatures are shown to be below the climatological mean from the 11th up there.


Unfortunately there's no dewpoint, wind direction etc info as is freely available in the Netherlands (for example) so I can't say whether it's an easterly drift or a surface high.


Either way though, the ECM shows signs of a drier, colder spell from the 9th - at least in Glasgow and Reading!

Originally Posted by: nickl 


Morning all. Hard to make my mind up this morning, though as stated previous the 9 th seems to be the key date. Possibly a surface high would be more plausible, so with saturated ground frost and fog may become a problem. Without dps it's hard to say, but an end to this stormy wet spell could now be on the horizon.
Off to nurse my hangover!
Gooner
01 January 2014 09:13:17

Happy New Year too!

ECM is interesting this morning as not only is it consistent with the ensembles regarding an Atlantic ridge, it then builds a Scandi High (again, as has popped up in the ensembles of late).

At 240 the ECM shows a growing surface high and the jet is split over the Atlantic, meaning it'd be a game-changer regarding the general pattern in our part of the world. Here's hoping it comes off, as I've had more than enough wind and rain to last for the rest of winter!

Originally Posted by: Retron 


Couldn't agree more....a welcome change


 


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Retron
01 January 2014 09:16:07


Morning all. Hard to make my mind up this morning, though as stated previous the 9 th seems to be the key date. Possibly a surface high would be more plausible, so with saturated ground frost and fog may become a problem. Without dps it's hard to say, but an end to this stormy wet spell could now be on the horizon.
Off to nurse my hangover!

Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 


Here we go:


http://www.weerplaza.nl/15daagseverwachting/?type=eps_pluim&element=&r=zuidwest


SW Netherlands ensembles (115 miles away from MBY, a little bit further than Reading).


Note that there are enough easterly members now to take the mean to the south on the 11th onwards - and temperatures are again falling from the 9th, albeit with a slightly higher starting value than inland central southern England. There are a good number of runs with subzero dewpoints too, suggesting the liklihood of a Continental feed is increasing - I'd say it's higher than a 10 or 15% chance now, anyway!


Leysdown, north Kent
Retron
01 January 2014 09:24:12


The ECM Ensembles Mean chart


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 


..is useless today. What do you get when you average a load of SW'ly runs with a bunch of easterly or NE'ly runs? Exactly!


Leysdown, north Kent
Phil G
01 January 2014 09:28:06
Tentative signs of a change on the horizon and the country could do with a respite from recent weather.

nickl
01 January 2014 09:44:18



The ECM Ensembles Mean chart


Originally Posted by: Retron 


..is useless today. What do you get when you average a load of SW'ly runs with a bunch of easterly or NE'ly runs? Exactly!


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 


the trend is in the direction of the ecm op. you never know but the extended control is again a snowy nirvana for swathes of the uk.

David M Porter
01 January 2014 10:07:45

Tentative signs of a change on the horizon and the country could do with a respite from recent weather.



Originally Posted by: Phil G 


Couldn't agree more, Phil. We certainly need a dry spell pretty soon in order to let river levels drop; that is of more importance right now than any snowy weather IMO.


Happy New Year to all btw.


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JACKO4EVER
01 January 2014 10:08:40


Morning all. Hard to make my mind up this morning, though as stated previous the 9 th seems to be the key date. Possibly a surface high would be more plausible, so with saturated ground frost and fog may become a problem. Without dps it's hard to say, but an end to this stormy wet spell could now be on the horizon.
Off to nurse my hangover!

Originally Posted by: Retron 


Here we go:


http://www.weerplaza.nl/15daagseverwachting/?type=eps_pluim&element=&r=zuidwest


SW Netherlands ensembles (115 miles away from MBY, a little bit further than Reading).


Note that there are enough easterly members now to take the mean to the south on the 11th onwards - and temperatures are again falling from the 9th, albeit with a slightly higher starting value than inland central southern England. There are a good number of runs with subzero dewpoints too, suggesting the liklihood of a Continental feed is increasing - I'd say it's higher than a 10 or 15% chance now, anyway!

Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 


Cheers for that! I am not too good finding info on that site. As you say, there is a small chance of a Continental feed, though we would need the HP as far north as possible. Not too sure if that will be the case, but at least we may be seeing an end to the stormy wet conditions for a while!

Gooner
01 January 2014 10:13:26


Happy New Year too!

ECM is interesting this morning as not only is it consistent with the ensembles regarding an Atlantic ridge, it then builds a Scandi High (again, as has popped up in the ensembles of late).

At 240 the ECM shows a growing surface high and the jet is split over the Atlantic, meaning it'd be a game-changer regarding the general pattern in our part of the world. Here's hoping it comes off, as I've had more than enough wind and rain to last for the rest of winter!

Originally Posted by: Scandy 1050 MB 


 


Happy new year to everyone - as Darren mentions something very interesting in FI this morning from ECM:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=240&mode=1&map=0&archive=0


 


No support from GFS but GEM does offer some support however the high is much further south which is far from ideal, still something very different from what feels like has been a few months of wind and rain:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/geme_cartes.php?&ech=240&mode=0&carte=0


 


 


Originally Posted by: Retron 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/cfs/runs/2013123106/run2/cfsnh-0-294.png?06


Funnily enough CFS isn't a million miles from ECM , a bit further down the line but not that far away all the same


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ghawes
01 January 2014 10:33:11

Happy to take some drier weather as hinted at by the models this morning, but please, please, please no easterly (or worse still, south-easterly). Never fails to bring miserable weather in my neck of the woods, whatever the season. 


But regardless....a Happy New Year to all.


Graeme
East Neuk of Fife



nsrobins
01 January 2014 10:42:08

ECM flying the flag today then.


I see the GFS 10hPa strat forecast warming is looking more robust again.

. . . OK, I'm just saying is all!



Happy 2014 to TWO


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Gooner
01 January 2014 10:43:18

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014010106/gfsnh-10-312.png?6


GFS increases the warming


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